Healthcare Reform

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Redux said:

So that makes it okay for the ones that do?  So we should just ignore it because not ALL of them do?

 

Literally what I'm met with anytime I say s#!t like that.

 

Why is your takeaway to always get defensive and act like you're being attacked?

 

I'm simply saying people like Bernie Sanders don't take this money. So we can't just throw our hands up and say "they all do it" because they don't.  There are good people in Congress. We need to support them.

[Redux]

3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Why is your takeaway to always get defensive and act like you're being attacked?

 

I'm simply saying people like Bernie Sanders don't take this money. So we can't just throw our hands up and say "they all do it" because they don't.  There are good people in Congress. We need to support them.

 

Noooooo, I'm seriously not feeling attacked here by you, at all.  But I do believe just yesterday I got hammered for saying something similar.

 

And I'm fairly sure even Bernie has taken donations from Pharma.

[BigRedBuster]

Democrats

 

Interesting.

 

Pharma

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, Redux said:

Bruh....you've seriously gotta stop.  I said yesterday I'm done entertaining you trying to follow me around.

I'm just trying to clarify what you said. Didn't think that was an attack.  

[knapplc]

57 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Democrats

 

Interesting.

 

Pharma

 

I keep forgetting OpenSecrets exists. I need to bookmark that site.  Thanks for the info.

[Redux]

26 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I'm just trying to clarify what you said. Didn't think that was an attack.  

 

What I'm saying is prominent members of both spectrum's have vested interest in healthcare continuing to be a burden on society.  People with the pull to ensure ahange gets halted.  It's not about beating the reds or the blues, it's about keeping the green.

[BigRedBuster]

16 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

What I'm saying is prominent members of both spectrum's have vested interest in healthcare continuing to be a burden on society.  People with the pull to ensure ahange gets halted.  It's not about beating the reds or the blues, it's about keeping the green.

I posted a link that shows both parties receive donations from the health care industry and insurance companies.  

 

How do you explain the vast difference in their proposed fixes?

A)  One side is heavily proposing Medicare For All, Single Payer plan...etc. similar to what other countries have been successful with.  This would cut out private insurance companies and drug companies wouldn't be able to charge anywhere close to what they are in the US.

 

B)  The other side yells "SOCIALISM" and has failed to come up with a real plan to provide healthcare for everyone at a comparable price to what the rest of the world is paying.

[Redux]

2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I posted a link that shows both parties receive donations from the health care industry and insurance companies.  

 

How do you explain the vast difference in their proposed fixes?

A)  One side is heavily proposing Medicare For All, Single Payer plan...etc. similar to what other countries have been successful with.  This would cut out private insurance companies and drug companies wouldn't be able to charge anywhere close to what they are in the US.

 

B)  The other side yells "SOCIALISM" and has failed to come up with a real plan to provide healthcare for everyone at a comparable price to what the rest of the world is paying.

 

I guess I'm less concentrated on all the chatter both sides do and more concerned about the end result.  I get you seem to think one side has the solution and the other is blocking it out of greed.  That's fine, you're half right.

[Ratt Mhule]

3 hours ago, Redux said:

 

So that makes it okay for the ones that do?  So we should just ignore it because not ALL of them do?

 

Literally what I'm met with anytime I say s#!t like that.

 

 

Bruh....you've seriously gotta stop.  I said yesterday I'm done entertaining you trying to follow me around.

I actually sort of agree with you. Both parties take money from the healthcare industry. You will notice a correlation between the ones that dont take money and their position on MFA. The ones that take the most money: republicans try and strip healthcare from people and make it completely privatized including medicare and medicaid. The corporate dems who take money want both a private and public alternative, would like to see more people covered but do not aim to eliminate the profit motive. Pete Buttigieg is a recent example as he was for MFA when he announced and as soon as he started taking money from health insurance and drug lobbyists, changed his position to the public option. People like Bernie Sanders who receive no money from health or drug lobbyists want to get profit motive out of healthcare and eliminate the private sector and want to cover everyone.

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, Redux said:

 

I guess I'm less concentratednon all the chatter both sides do and more concerned about the end result.  I get you seem to think one side has the solution and the other is blocking it out of greed.  That's fine, you're half right.

How are the Democrats who support Medicare For All or a single payer plan motivated by greed?

[ZRod]

4 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

I guess I'm less concentratednon all the chatter both sides do and more concerned about the end result.  I get you seem to think one side has the solution and the other is blocking it out of greed.  That's fine, you're half right.

If you're really concerned with the results then they should speak for themselves. Only one part has taken steps in the last 10 years to remedy the situation. The other has done everything it can to obstruct it.

[Redux]

1 hour ago, ZRod said:

If you're really concerned with the results then they should speak for themselves. Only one part has taken steps in the last 10 years to remedy the situation. The other has done everything it can to obstruct it.

 

And that party absolutely gouged the population.  I'm not against healthcare for all, I'm against having to pay for it when the ones forcing me to pay for others healthcare don't have to pay a cent towards it yet have pensions that all of us could live off for 3 lifetime's.  So sure, the Repubs are greedier towsrds it.  But let's not pretend the Dems are as noble as that.

[BigRedBuster]

4 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

And that party absolutely gouged the population.  I'm not against healthcare for all, I'm against having to pay for it when the ones forcing me to pay for others healthcare don't have to pay a cent towards it yet have pensions that all of us could live off for 3 lifetime's.  So sure, the Repubs are greedier towsrds it.  But let's not pretend the Dems are as noble as that.

I don’t think anyone has said either party is innocent or noble. 
 

but, one party is working towards a solution and the other is standing in the way without offering any solution. 

[Redux]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

I don’t think anyone has said either party is innocent or noble. 
 

but, one party is working towards a solution and the other is standing in the way without offering any solution. 

 

And the solution was not mandatory health care that tacks on a fine and allows providers to jack the prices.  Do you honestly thinkx that several Democrats didn't benefit hugely from those fines, and the jacked up rates?  Neither party does anything unless they get something out of it.

[BigRedBuster]

4 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

And the solution was not mandatory health care that tacks on a fine and allows providers to jack the prices.  Do you honestly thinkx that several Democrats didn't benefit hugely from those fines, and the jacked up rates?  Neither party does anything unless they get something out of it.

I never supported ACA and there were major problems with it. That’s not to say it didn’t do some good things. 
 

Are you saying we should have gone straight to Medicare for all?