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9 hours ago, NM11046 said:

People who “administer care “ are not the administration.  Those folks are making bank - healthcare workers (and most physicians) are not.  

I read somewhere over the last 30 years the number of physicians has increased 150%. Number of hospital administrators has grown 3200% in the same span.

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4 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I read somewhere over the last 30 years the number of physicians has increased 150%. Number of hospital administrators has grown 3200% in the same span.

It's very sad.  I work in the healthcare world, and the days of doctors being wealthy and making a good living are long gone.  

 

The number of people staying in Internal Medicine or Primary Care is also a huge problem.  There is no incentive to focus on that, the better compensation are specialties like dermatology and orthopaedics, but the majority of americans need the former.  

 

Immigrants used to be a good stop gap, as there were programs that required them to practice at hard to staff locations (mostly rural) for a certain number of years after graduation in order to get loans paid and degrees finalized.  Now that our government is putting such strict limits on people coming from other countries we will feel it in the healthcare field quickly.  Not to mention research.

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9 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

It's very sad.  I work in the healthcare world, and the days of doctors being wealthy and making a good living are long gone.  

 

The number of people staying in Internal Medicine or Primary Care is also a huge problem.  There is no incentive to focus on that, the better compensation are specialties like dermatology and orthopaedics, but the majority of americans need the former.  

 

Immigrants used to be a good stop gap, as there were programs that required them to practice at hard to staff locations (mostly rural) for a certain number of years after graduation in order to get loans paid and degrees finalized.  Now that our government is putting such strict limits on people coming from other countries we will feel it in the healthcare field quickly.  Not to mention research.

 

Where the heck do you live? In Omaha, for example, Nebraska Medicine pays their PCPs like $250,000 a year. APRNs make $90,000 and a PA makes $100,000-110,000. Specialists make more but Id say doctors make a pretty damn good living and thats just one system in Nebraska. 

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9 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Where the heck do you live? In Omaha, for example, Nebraska Medicine pays their PCPs like $250,000 a year. APRNs make $90,000 and a PA makes $100,000-110,000. Specialists make more but Id say doctors make a pretty damn good living and thats just one system in Nebraska. 

I live on the east coast.  I'm sure salaries are higher here, and I'm sure I'm right on this topic as well.  :P

 

The number is significant, but once you take out student loan payments, the years spent in school with minimal if any salary (8 years at a minimum if you're not specialized), the hours they keep and etc they're not earning the living you assume they are.  

 

As a general rule I'd say that they are in it because they care and want to help, not to make millions.  There is a reason there are issues recruiting doctors in the US and that we're facing a significant shortage of PCP's and IM docs in the coming years.  

 

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20181115.750150/full/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4667355/

https://www.ajmc.com/focus-of-the-week/primary-care-doctors-extend-life-but-us-needs-more-of-them-data-show

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I'm going to post this here as well as the Healthcare thread.  If you're not aware of Ady Barkan's activities - he's really an amazing Patriot.  Before and even ore so after his ALS diagnosis.  You may have seen him confronting Jeff Flake on an airplane last year in a video that went viral right before the famous John McCain vote, but he's done some incredible things to move the discussion on healthcare in the US forward.

 

These videos are 9-10 mins long and the only one who hasn't honored the request to sit with him yet is Biden, so it's a good overview of their policy views and plans. 

 

https://uncovered.beaherofund.com

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31 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Hold on...now Doctors don't make good money?  

 

I can't wait to call my Mom and tell her I made the right choice not becoming a doctor!

One of the articles recently written about it compared teachers and IM/PC doc salary to within a dollar or two of teachers (ed and etc taken into account).  So send her that.

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3 hours ago, NM11046 said:

One of the articles recently written about it compared teachers and IM/PC doc salary to within a dollar or two of teachers (ed and etc taken into account).  So send her that.

I love it!

 

Now when I lie to people and say I am a doctor it won't feel like as big of a lie!

 

 

Wait...are doctors going to start lying and say they are teachers????

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