Healthcare Reform

[jsneb83]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

Just to be clear, that's $2,800 for every man woman and child in the US.

That will put them in the aisles

[BigRedBuster]

Lawsuits like this may have interesting consequences. 
 

 

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I’ve read quite a bit about these GPOs. It appears they are an example of a good idea gone bad. 
 

Reforms are needed. 
 

 

[RedDenver]

 

[commando]

24 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

 

only the aristocrats should have health insurance.

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

 

 

I'm getting really tired of the way some people look at this entire issue.  

I was sitting around with a group of guys a couple weeks ago and we started talking about one of the guys started on Medicare and he was talking about how great it was.

 

I then simply asked, "why shouldn't we all be on that".  They looked at me all funny and they started talking about socialism and bla bla bla....

 

I simply asked them, "Why, as conservatives, do you want to pay $3,000 for something when it's been proven it can be done for $1,000?"

 

By the end of the conversation, I actually had some having an "ah ha" moment.

 

What Donny Deutsch doesn't get is, GREAT...your parents worked hard to get you an education and put you in a position so you can buy health insurance that is WAY over priced, does a crappy job of covering you and pays it into a system that is a worse health care system than most of the developed world.  CONGRATS!!!!  So much WINNING!!!!

 

Glad you enjoy paying three times more than you should for stuff that isn't as good.

[Ratt Mhule]

7 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I'm getting really tired of the way some people look at this entire issue.  

I was sitting around with a group of guys a couple weeks ago and we started talking about one of the guys started on Medicare and he was talking about how great it was.

 

I then simply asked, "why shouldn't we all be on that".  They looked at me all funny and they started talking about socialism and bla bla bla....

 

I simply asked them, "Why, as conservatives, do you want to pay $3,000 for something when it's been proven it can be done for $1,000?"

 

By the end of the conversation, I actually had some having an "ah ha" moment.

 

What Donny Deutsch doesn't get is, GREAT...your parents worked hard to get you an education and put you in a position so you can buy health insurance that is WAY over priced, does a crappy job of covering you and pays it into a system that is a worse health care system than most of the developed world.  CONGRATS!!!!  So much WINNING!!!!

 

Glad you enjoy paying three times more than you should for stuff that isn't as good.

Thank you for doing the lords work, sir. 

[RedDenver]

19 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I'm getting really tired of the way some people look at this entire issue.  

I was sitting around with a group of guys a couple weeks ago and we started talking about one of the guys started on Medicare and he was talking about how great it was.

 

I then simply asked, "why shouldn't we all be on that".  They looked at me all funny and they started talking about socialism and bla bla bla....

 

I simply asked them, "Why, as conservatives, do you want to pay $3,000 for something when it's been proven it can be done for $1,000?"

 

By the end of the conversation, I actually had some having an "ah ha" moment.

 

What Donny Deutsch doesn't get is, GREAT...your parents worked hard to get you an education and put you in a position so you can buy health insurance that is WAY over priced, does a crappy job of covering you and pays it into a system that is a worse health care system than most of the developed world.  CONGRATS!!!!  So much WINNING!!!!

 

Glad you enjoy paying three times more than you should for stuff that isn't as good.

Donny Deutsch also has extreme wealth bias. He keeps talking about how Americans don't want to give up their health insurance choices, but only rich people can afford to have choices. Most of the rest of us are "choosing" between 3 plans from the same insurance company through our work, on Medicaid, or on Medicare. And that annual "choice" I get to make is mostly about my wife and I pouring over the fine print to try to guess how we could get screwed by the various plans.

[Ratt Mhule]

 

[Danny Bateman]

I thought this was a very informative read from someone who has literally helped build single-payer systems for various countries around the world from scratch and help implement them. He helped design Sanders' plan.

 

TL;DR: He's a huge single-payer advocate in terms of both improved health outcomes and savings. But he thinks we may be another couple elections away from actually implementing something like Medicare for All.

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

So, here's the situation I'm in.

 

I have an employee who came to see me shortly before Thanksgiving.  He has major health problems and so does two of his kids.  His wife doesn't have a job where she would get healthcare benefits.

 

He has worked for our company for over 20 years.  When he first got on our health insurance, he kept a personal policy because back then, preexisting conditions could get you dropped. If he ever had to change jobs, he didn't want to be stuck with no insurance in his condition.  Now, the kids are in the same condition.

 

Well, he informed me that all was good until this pat summer they got a notice that their insurance policy will no longer be available.  They just received a notice that the new policy will cost them more than their household income.  Now, they could go on our family coverage and which requires they pay some each month for family coverage.  However, he said that would not be fair to the company.  I didn't say that to him, but it would absolutely devastate our company policy.  He obviously knows that.

 

So, he wants to go to the ACA market place.  Since he has healthcare available here, he can't get affordable coverage there either.

 

So.....here is what he is proposing.  He wants us to make him an independent contractor.  This would make him not eligible for any of our benefits and then he can buy much more affordable coverage through the marketplace.  Two catches though.  1)  I have to be careful because there are legal issues around who is and is not an actual independent contractor.  and 2)  He also believes he needs me to pay him a certain amount.  That amount would be way out of whack with what other people make in the company.  

 

If you're in my shoes, what do you do?

 

Our healthcare system is so f#&%ed up.  And...Republicans act like we have the best system in the world and any major changes to it are going to destroy a great thing.

[Nebfanatic]

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

So, here's the situation I'm in.

 

I have an employee who came to see me shortly before Thanksgiving.  He has major health problems and so does two of his kids.  His wife doesn't have a job where she would get healthcare benefits.

 

He has worked for our company for over 20 years.  When he first got on our health insurance, he kept a personal policy because back then, preexisting conditions could get you dropped. If he ever had to change jobs, he didn't want to be stuck with no insurance in his condition.  Now, the kids are in the same condition.

 

Well, he informed me that all was good until this pat summer they got a notice that their insurance policy will no longer be available.  They just received a notice that the new policy will cost them more than their household income.  Now, they could go on our family coverage and which requires they pay some each month for family coverage.  However, he said that would not be fair to the company.  I didn't say that to him, but it would absolutely devastate our company policy.  He obviously knows that.

 

So, he wants to go to the ACA market place.  Since he has healthcare available here, he can't get affordable coverage there either.

 

So.....here is what he is proposing.  He wants us to make him an independent contractor.  This would make him not eligible for any of our benefits and then he can buy much more affordable coverage through the marketplace.  Two catches though.  1)  I have to be careful because there are legal issues around who is and is not an actual independent contractor.  and 2)  He also believes he needs me to pay him a certain amount.  That amount would be way out of whack with what other people make in the company.  

 

If you're in my shoes, what do you do?

 

Our healthcare system is so f#&%ed up.  And...Republicans act like we have the best system in the world and any major changes to it are going to destroy a great thing.

I don't envy you...that's tough man.

 

I wish the people who are supposed to be representing us would come together and hammer out a common sense plan that works for the people. It can be done.

[BigRedBuster]

Yeah....we're getting our money's worth.