DevoHusker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 41 minutes ago, Moiraine said: That isn't a good enough reason to not do it. This is war. They absolutely should do this. They need to use whatever weapons they have at their disposal. They aren't physically hurting someone with this action, they didn't start the war, and they aren't the ones who left their dead behind. That was Russia. It may be the only way Russians find out the truth of how the war has gone, and how little their government cares about their soldiers. And, obviously this isn't the point of it, but it may be the only way these families will get an inkling of what happened to their kids. I don't agree, but thanks for your view 1 1 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 35 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I understand what you’re saying and the entire thing is horrific. But, at the same time, I don’t blame the Ukrainians for doing it. Should they instead send pictures of the dead Ukrainians their son killed? they are trying to create anger towards Putin inside Russia. It’s worth trying. Russia invaded them and are slaughtering innocent civilians. I don’t have a problem with Ukrainians doing this. Do you think it's a viable tactic? I don't, and if any of those parents speak out they will get disappeared Link to comment
knapplc Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: I don't agree, but thanks for your view 6 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Do you think it's a viable tactic? I don't, and if any of those parents speak out they will get disappeared What would be a viable tactic to break through the Russian misinformation? Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, knapplc said: What would be a viable tactic to break through the Russian misinformation? Sending parents and loved ones graphic field photos of the dead soldiers is countering disinformation? In what way? If they publicly published the photos for all to see maybe..? Are Russian soldiers parents and families being told their sons/daughters are alive? Winning the war? 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Sending parents and loved ones graphic field photos of the dead soldiers is countering disinformation? In what way? If they publicly published the photos for all to see maybe..? Are Russian soldiers parents and families being told their sons/daughters are alive? Winning the war? Yes and yes. In fact many weren’t even told they were going to a war. What makes it worse is a lot are conscripts. I’m not sure why you think soldiers’ families would be told more than the common Russian, and if you think they know what’s going on you’re mistaken. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Sending parents and loved ones graphic field photos of the dead soldiers is countering disinformation? In what way? If they publicly published the photos for all to see maybe..? Are Russian soldiers parents and families being told their sons/daughters are alive? Winning the war? Some googling on this would probably do you some good for the purposes of this conversation. 1 Link to comment
Born N Bled Red Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: Sending parents and loved ones graphic field photos of the dead soldiers is countering disinformation? In what way? If they publicly published the photos for all to see maybe..? Are Russian soldiers parents and families being told their sons/daughters are alive? Winning the war? Would parents believe it was their child without the pictures? Would they think that they child had been captured and were forced to pose for pictures if the blood and gore had been cleaned up? As a father, it would be absolutely crushing to receive an image like that. If not for the image, I'd hold out hope that the Ukrainians were wrong and it was not my son. If they were cleaned up and laying on a table I would search the image for signs of life and hold out hope that it was a posed picture. If I could come to the conclusion that they were alive, but then never came home I would blame the Ukrainians for killing my son as a prisoner of war. If he was still in his army fatigues, laying where he fell, left behind by the his own Comrades, with the extent of his injuries obvious. It would leave no doubt. Which is more humane? I think I'd rather know than not, I think I'd rather not have false hope, so I could properly mourn. I think I would be thankful for to the Ukrainians for giving me that. Especially if it came with a note from the Ukrainian government with a message of sympathy. 1 Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: I understand what you’re saying and the entire thing is horrific. But, at the same time, I don’t blame the Ukrainians for doing it. Should they instead send pictures of the dead Ukrainians their son killed? they are trying to create anger towards Putin inside Russia. It’s worth trying. Russia invaded them and are slaughtering innocent civilians. I don’t have a problem with Ukrainians doing this. Yeah it’s horrific but I also understand UKR doing it and it serves a couple purposes no matter how unpleasant for the families. They will get the truth of what has happened to their sons and it could potentially provide deserved backlash against Putin by the Russian people. It’s gruesome but also maybe necessary. Link to comment
FrantzHardySwag Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Moiraine said: Yes and yes. In fact many weren’t even told they were going to a war. What makes it worse is a lot are conscripts. I’m not sure why you think soldiers’ families would be told more than the common Russian, and if you think they know what’s going on you’re mistaken. Putin made military deaths classified information. Ukraine govt set up a hotline so Russian families can check on their family members. Personally what ever psych advantages Ukraine feels they need to use, is cool with me. Ukraine still has the moral high ground by a fairly large margin. Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, knapplc said: Some googling on this would probably do you some good for the purposes of this conversation. Evidently. I feel I am out of my depth when reading many of the comments here. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, DevoHusker said: Do you think it's a viable tactic? I don't, and if any of those parents speak out they will get disappeared I think it’s worth a try. Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, Moiraine said: I’m not sure why you think soldiers’ families would be told more than the common Russian, and if you think they know what’s going on you’re mistaken. I don't believe I said this, or alluded to it? As to Russian parents being lied to, in what way does this graphic notification serve any purpose? They'll report it to the local branch of the UN? 1 Link to comment
nic Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Confirmed by the US. I wonder if this why Russia warned NATO and the US about continuing to arm Ukraine. They are a little ticked about losing their ship. Do we know what type of missiles were used? I bet Russia knows… and knows where they came from. Two Ukrainian Neptune missiles hit the Moskva — Russia’s flagship in the Black Sea — earlier this week, a senior defense official said Friday. A more detailed assessment from an American official said that the strike and subsequent sinking of the ship was the result of a Ukrainian missile. CNN reported yesterday the US believed with “medium confidence” that Ukraine’s version of events regarding a missile strike on the warship — which Moscow has disputed — was accurate, according to a source familiar with the intelligence. 1 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 From the link: Ukraine has used face scans to identify 582 corpses and inform their families. But some worry the "psychological warfare" tactic could backfire: “If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric'" https://t.co/B3Ztf2albb Link to comment
The Dude Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: From the link: “If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric'" https://t.co/B3Ztf2albb It's all relative. It would be one of the least barbaric things the Russian soldiers have done. Link to comment
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