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11 minutes ago, funhusker said:

So would the Republicans rather have the US spend the money on  handouts to Americans?  I thought that is what caused the inflation.

No.  How about not spending the money at all.  
 

However, since we have been financing the Ukraine war, why hasn’t everything been a true finance with debt service back to US from Ukraine payable once their war is over.  US is borrowing money to give to someone else.  Shouldn’t Ukraine take on that debt service payment.  
 

And yes, the increased money in circulation has caused inflation.  It’s why interest rates are now going up.  

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33 minutes ago, commando said:

if republicans win the midterms

 

 

A few things of note about Miss Shallow Head's statements:

1.  No more money going to Ukraine -   The GOP is no longer the party that protects and projects democracy around the world

2. The cheer of the crowd tells me the shallowness of MAGA voters.   It is like they have the applause sign flashing as they have passed their ability to think to dear leader and his stooges like MTG. 

3. They (Marge and those applauding) fail to understand that Democracy must be defended at boarders around the world.  Once it has to be defended at our boarder, it is far too late.

4. Of course her hyperbole of stating: 'them not caring for our boarder or our people' is just a thinly veiled racist statement.  Besides it is blatantly untrue.  I'm not a Dem and rarely vote for Dem candidates but the Dem party has done more to help 'our people' with social programs then what this current crop of GOP 'leaders' would ever think of doing. 

5.  She has revealed her true loyalties - to Putin via her loyalty to Trump. 

6.  Reagan, Eisenhower and Lincoln are rolling in their graves.  

 

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46 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

3. They (Marge and those applauding) fail to understand that Democracy must be defended at boarders around the world.  Once it has to be defended at our boarder, it is far too late.

 

 

Not disagreeing with your point but I don't think we'll have democracy here much longer regardless of what happens in Ukraine.

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1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

 

4. Of course her hyperbole of stating: 'them not caring for our boarder or our people' is just a thinly veiled racist statement.  Besides it is blatantly untrue.  I'm not a Dem and rarely vote for Dem candidates but the Dem party has done more to help 'our people' with social programs then what this current crop of GOP 'leaders' would ever think of doing. 

 

 

This is really the only talking point Dems need to focus on IMO.

 

The GOP is actually demonizing "doing things for taxpayers" by blaming inflation on it.  It's amazing how inept Dems are at messaging.

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19 minutes ago, funhusker said:

This is really the only talking point Dems need to focus on IMO.

 

The GOP is actually demonizing "doing things for taxpayers" by blaming inflation on it.  It's amazing how inept Dems are at messaging.

Yes, that is my thinking too.   Here in Okla the GOP governor is lying about the Dem candidate who was a GOPer herself up until last year when she decided the only way to beat the trump want-to-be governor was as a Dem and not in the GOP primary.  She is fighting back in her ads and pointing out his hypocrisy.  Nationally, the Dems misjudged inflationary concerns in my opinion and overvalued the reaction to the SCOTUS rulings.  The Dems should be making hay over the democracy destroying ways of the current GOP but beyound Biden's message the other day - not much of a dent in the GOP truck going down the road. 

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2 hours ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Not disagreeing with your point but I don't think we'll have democracy here much longer regardless of what happens in Ukraine.

Well, everyone's last gasp of breath needs to be in the defense of democracy.    These words from Ronald Reagans 1964 "Time for Choosing" speech comes to mind - specifically the last couple sentences in bold below.  The differences between Reagan and the current GOP leadership could not be any bigger. If Reagan was alive today, he'd stand wt the Dems against the current crop of GOP leaders in sooo many ways. (Maybe he'd find that the party that left him, had come back in several important ways and the party he went to ultimately forsook him.)

 

 

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We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind the Iron Curtain, "Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins, we're willing to make a deal with your slave masters." Alexander Hamilton said, "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one." Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you can have it in the next second - surrender.

Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then, when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.

You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin - just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard 'round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn't die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it's a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, "There is a price we will not pay." "There is a point beyond which they must not advance." And this - this is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater's "peace through strength." Winston Churchill said, "The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we're spirits - not animals." And he said, "There's something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."


 

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You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.

We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/reagans/ronald-reagan/time-choosing-speech-october-27-1964

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On 11/4/2022 at 10:09 AM, commando said:

putin has every reason to hold on till midterms.  if republicans win he will win the war.  if dems win he will need to either hold on for 2 more years or actually try to negotiate a peace treaty with ukraine.

the midterms did not go as putin was hoping.    today he ordered a huge withdraw across the dnieper river and offered to negotiate.     they are abandoning about 4,000 sq. km of ground.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Funny how this is done today.  

And this:

 

Looks like Russia found their scapegoat.   

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/senior-russian-appointed-kherson-official-killed/ar-AA13V1Wq?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=e694ef225b874bbfa3da8c48037e93e0

 

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Senior Russian-appointed Kherson official 'killed'

The Russian-installed deputy governor of Kherson, Kirill Stremousov, has been killed, Russian state media say.

 

They quoted the regional governor's press service as saying he died in a car crash.

Mr Stremousov, 45, was appointed to his job two months after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

He was one of the most prominent proponents of the Russian occupation and became known for aggressive statements on social media.

He was wanted for treason by the Ukrainian police.

 

 

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But we should have been negotiating with a fascist murderous thug after he invaded a sovereign nation (again) instead of supporting that nation in their efforts to reclaim their territory because Putin's army is full of manly men who will waltz right through Ukraine.  :facepalm:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Scarlet said:

But we should have been negotiating with a fascist murderous thug after he invaded a sovereign nation (again) instead of supporting that nation in their efforts to reclaim their territory because Putin's army is full of manly men who will waltz right through Ukraine.  :facepalm:

 

 

Winning the war and negotiating the peace are not mutually exclusive.

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