JJ Husker Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, Gage County said: I forgot about the 2016 coup d etat and the civil rights abuses. A lot of extrajudicial killings during and after that coup. They hate us because we tried to overthrow Erdogan. Doesn’t matter if we did or not, they all think we did. I forgot how badly Obama handled the chem weapons leading up to the coup. Obama took a lot of Ls, didn't seem too important at the time. Turkey was a d!(k about using their NATO airbase during the Gulf War. They vote against us in the NATO and the UN all the time. They suck but we've known that for 70 years. Regardless, Turkey withdrawing from NATO makes NATO weaker, makes us weaker. It took 10 years to fug things up, we need to stay patient and rebuild the alliance. Turkey still has interest in buy fight jets from us. You’ve just spent a few posts detailing how they’ve really been no ally to us but then you claim they’re desperately needed in Nato and somehow it’s all Obama’s fault. Kinda all over the place here. The simple explanation is that Turkey and Erdogan have changed what they’re about. If that’s how they’re gonna be, yeah, I’ll take Sweden, Finland, Ukraine and Georgia in their place in a heartbeat. 1 Link to comment
Decked Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 13 hours ago, JJ Husker said: You’ve just spent a few posts detailing how they’ve really been no ally to us but then you claim they’re desperately needed in Nato and somehow it’s all Obama’s fault. Kinda all over the place here. The simple explanation is that Turkey and Erdogan have changed what they’re about. If that’s how they’re gonna be, yeah, I’ll take Sweden, Finland, Ukraine and Georgia in their place in a heartbeat. Perhaps but Ukraine and Georgia are not happening any time soon. Turkey is geographically strategic as well. They know they are needed. 1 Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, Decked said: Perhaps but Ukraine and Georgia are not happening any time soon. Turkey is geographically strategic as well. They know they are needed. I’m not going to say it wouldn’t be nice to have them in NATO. But it’s really up to them and how they act. Can’t really force them to behave like a good nato member. Doesn’t matter how nice it would be if they don’t cooperate. Can’t get blood out of a turnip. 1 Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I hope Turkiye is a better partner than Turkey was. https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/us-changes-to-turkeys-preferred-spelling-at-allys-request/2938513/ Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 1/7/2023 at 10:11 AM, Gage County said: I hope Turkiye is a better partner than Turkey was. https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/us-changes-to-turkeys-preferred-spelling-at-allys-request/2938513/ That's fine for official documents, but that isn't going to change anything in the everyday lives of Americans. We call Germany "Germany," not "Deutschland." We call Moscow "Moscow," not "Moskva." This is basically Turkey asking America to respect its pronouns. Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 20 hours ago, knapplc said: That's fine for official documents, but that isn't going to change anything in the everyday lives of Americans. We call Germany "Germany," not "Deutschland." We call Moscow "Moscow," not "Moskva." This is basically Turkey asking America to respect its pronouns. Ackchyually... Turkiye is a better search term. On 1/5/2023 at 11:17 PM, JJ Husker said: You’ve just spent a few posts detailing how they’ve really been no ally to us but then you claim they’re desperately needed in Nato and somehow it’s all Obama’s fault. Kinda all over the place here. The simple explanation is that Turkey and Erdogan have changed what they’re about. If that’s how they’re gonna be, yeah, I’ll take Sweden, Finland, Ukraine and Georgia in their place in a heartbeat. It makes no sense to throw Turkiye into Putin's arms while simultaneously trying to wrestle Ukraine and Georgia away from his grip. I supported Ukraine and Georgia pathways to NATO membership. Russia has occupied Georgia since 2008. Russia has occupied Crimea since 2014 and now the war. So the reality is it isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Biden is getting Turkiye's votes for Sweden and Finland. They'll leverage it for all they can, hope we get more out of than just those S/F votes. ----- I blame Obama for Obama’s failure in Syria. I supported his Syrian regime change policy. His tactics and methods failed. I didn’t think it was important at the time. I can now see just how much of an impact its had not just on Syria but our relationship with Turkiye too. I love regime change as much as Obama. He had success in Egypt. It seemed stupid to me at the time, why overthrow this weak puppet, the Suez Canal is much too important to be doing this. Then a weaker puppet showed up. Obama was all about overthrowing the Russian puppet president in Ukraine, ta da, Zelenski. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Gage County said: Ackchyually... Turkiye is a better search term. What? Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Google "Biden Turkey" or "Biden Hungry Turkey", it's mostly thanksgiving results. "Turkiye" returns our NATO partner. Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Gage County said: Google "Biden Turkey" or "Biden Hungry Turkey", it's mostly thanksgiving results. "Turkiye" returns our NATO partner. Google "turkey country Biden" and you're gold. Link to comment
funhusker Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, knapplc said: Google "turkey country Biden" and you're gold. I'm picturing gold potatoes and turkey with country gravy served to grandpa! 1 1 Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, knapplc said: Google "turkey country Biden" and you're gold. Thanks Captain! Any tips for finding Georgia (not the state) with Google Maps? Link to comment
commando Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 we are retiring them anyway. why not send them? oh...that's right. we are wasting money sending them to ukraine....right? 1 Link to comment
Gage County Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Here's a Stryker demonstrating the experimental avionics variant. Link to comment
commando Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 those russians are good. they can destroy our equipment before we even decide to ship it to ukraine. this clip is from september. guess those 50 we are going to be sending is already reduced to 46 1 Link to comment
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