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Poll: What gun legislation would you support?


What gun legislation would you support?  

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Here's the results, with 30 respondants, compared with the Pew Research Poll results (Jun 2017)

 

Legislation----------Dems/Libs (vs. Pew)---Reps/Cons (vs. Pew)

 

Mentally Ill----------87% (89%)-------------------100%(89%)

No-Fly list-----------87%(85%)----------------------60%(82%)

Bckgrnd Checks-93%(90%)----------------------87%(77%)

Assault Ban--------93%(80%)----------------------20%(54%)

Ntnl Database----93%(84%)----------------------40%(56%)

Hi-cap Magazn--87%(79%)-----------------------40%(47%)

CCP more plcs--13%(26%)------------------------40%(72%)

Guns in K-12-------7%(26%)------------------------- 7%(69%)

shorter wait--------7%(25%)--------------------------0%(51%)

CC no Permit------7%(10%)--------------------------7%(30%)

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So, let's say we pass a ban on AR-15s.  How do you specifically expect that to be enforced?  Do we offer a buy back and pay the value of each gun to get a lot off the street?  Then what?

 

I'm thinking of the Australian model here, where there was a buyback program but also a new requirement that you had to register your weapons (and I think also obtain a license). If you failed that in a timely manner you would be subject to penalties. And this was for guns, period.

 

What it accomplished was a large reduction in number.

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^pretty comparable numbers, especially given the small sample size.

 

I would guess that America as a whole is slightly more open to gun control, and slightly less open to loosening gun restrictions.

 

The Conservatives on this Board show the highest degree of difference from the national poll last June.  Whether that is the more selective sample size, or Nebraska vs. National, or an actual paradigm shift, who knows?  The Assault-style weapons ban had very low support within this group compared with the Pew poll.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/upshot/how-to-reduce-mass-shooting-deaths-experts-say-these-gun-laws-could-help.html

 

A NYT article from last October that combined a public survey with expert opinions on which laws would be the most effective at reducing mass shootings

 

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Our expert panel consisted of 32 current or retired academics in criminology, public health and law, who have published extensively in peer-reviewed academic journals on gun policy. 

 

Some of the laws that proved to be both popular and potentially very effective:

Universal background checks for gun buyers & ammo buyers

Bar sales to all violent criminals

Bar sales to mentally ill

Assault weapons ban

 

Some that were popular but not likely to be very effective:

Honor Out-of-state Conceal-carry

Gov buyback of banned guns

Stronger sentences for illegal guns

Require gun safes

Fingerprint gun owners

 

Not popular, but potentially effective:

Demonstrate the need for a gun

 

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5 hours ago, Enhance said:

You've probably heard the following Devil's Advocate viewpoints before, and I'm not trying to convince you to my perspective. Instead, I would simply request you reflect on them in comparison to some of your own opinions.

 

1) In regards to violent gun deaths, we are an anomaly among other countries we deem ourselves equal to or better than. We are embarrassingly more violent than the U.K., Germany, prominent Asian countries, etc. Those whom we do match up well with include Thailand, Sri Lanka and the Phillippines. It's pretty poor company to be associated with.

 

2) We deal with inanimate objects all the time rather than the 'sick person' who controls them. That's why we now have seatbelts and seatbelt laws. That's why we limit the amount of Sudafed you can buy. Yet, we don't have many people standing up and saying "the problem is people who want to make drugs, not the Sudafed!"

 

3) It's far more difficult to accomplish tasks like becoming a citizen, getting a driver's license or a passport. Hell, it's significantly more difficult to buy a suppressor (an item that is not dangerous by itself) than it is to buy a gun.

 

Again, not trying to convince you or anyone to my line of thinking, but they're important to consider especially when we go so far to say that someone's opinions on this matter might be "scary." I think all of the things I mentioned here are far scarier than the idea of stiffer gun laws.

 

Why this was somewhat temporarily effective, I will argue all day that our Meth problem hasn't gotten much better. I am LEO and we deal with very little manufacturing anymore, but we still deal with distribution just as much as we used to. Meth gets funneled up out of Mexico at an alarming rate. I feel educating people on the dangers of drugs, and honestly stiffening the penalties on those pushing these terrible life ruining drugs are gong to be the best way to combat the problem.

 

Now to the subject of guns. I feel I lean more conservative and I agree that gun laws need to be looked at and modified/updated to the ways of our world today. But that doesn't mean banning semi auto rifles. I agree on increasing the background checks at gun shows and even at retailers. We also need to reform our government spending and look for and reallocate wasteful spending to things that truly help. I.E. Mental Health, and Family Services. In my humble opinion I truly feel that a lot of our problems is that we don't have the percentage of quality families and homes that we may of had several years ago. When children don't have a quality structured home then they don't develop the sense of morality and quality morals like those seem to have in years past.

 

Again this is just my opinion 

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51 minutes ago, Husker from Kansas said:

Now to the subject of guns. I feel I lean more conservative and I agree that gun laws need to be looked at and modified/updated to the ways of our world today. But that doesn't mean banning semi auto rifles. I agree on increasing the background checks at gun shows and even at retailers. We also need to reform our government spending and look for and reallocate wasteful spending to things that truly help. I.E. Mental Health, and Family Services. In my humble opinion I truly feel that a lot of our problems is that we don't have the percentage of quality families and homes that we may of had several years ago. When children don't have a quality structured home then they don't develop the sense of morality and quality morals like those seem to have in years past.

 

I lean Conservative also.  Problem is, our side has failed miserably on the bolded part and continue (at an even more aggressive pace) to fight against it since Trump has been in office.

 

Political people can't say they are for a solution when they are adamantly against gun laws AND increasing spending on healthcare/mental health and family services.

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2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I lean Conservative also.  Problem is, our side has failed miserably on the bolded part and continue (at an even more aggressive pace) to fight against it since Trump has been in office.

 

Political people can't say they are for a solution when they are adamantly against gun laws AND increasing spending on healthcare/mental health and family services.

 

Our goverment in general seems to have failed in a lot of ways. They seem to vote solely based on what their parties stereotype is (ultra conservative or ultra liberal) instead of actually taking time to research and do their due diligence and vote with common sense what their constituents actually want

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8 minutes ago, Husker from Kansas said:

Our goverment in general seems to have failed in a lot of ways. They seem to vote solely based on what their parties stereotype is (ultra conservative or ultra liberal) instead of actually taking time to research and do their due diligence and vote with common sense what their constituents actually want


I would agree. There is a lot of overlap in broad public opinion across the political spectrum on several of the policy pieces as Kiyoat posted in the Pew results above (primarily background checks & tighter restrictions around mental illness/no fly lists). Even those popular pieces of policy need to be put under a microscope to make sure we get them right. The other ones are murkier & we don't agree as much.

 

As someone who leans left this topic feels hopeless with the current crop of conservatives in Washington, because no amount of gun control is acceptable to them. Period.

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5 minutes ago, dudeguyy said:

Also, I apologize if I'm offending anyone with this, but what on God's green earth is wrong with these friggin' weirdos?

 

 

 

Maybe Trumps next campaign slogan needs to be....”Guns, God and Bang’n Porn Stars”

 

It motivates the evangelicals. ....well.....at least the two Corinthians. 

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I'm not going to hold my breath until something actually passes, but Trump seems to actually want to do something. E.g. increase the age required. It would be hilarious if Trump managed to impose more restrictive gun laws than Obama.

The only problem is I think he might want to arm teachers too.


Also, Ben "tough guy" Sasse is at it again.

 

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"Strong leaders don't automatically agree with the last thing that was said to them. We have the Second Amendment and due process of law for a reason," Ben Sasse, a Republican senator from Nebraska, said in a statement. "We're not ditching any Constitutional protections simply because the last person the President talked to today doesn't like them."

 

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8 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

I'm not going to hold my breath until something actually passes, but Trump seems to actually want to do something. E.g. increase the age required. It would be hilarious if Trump managed to impose more restrictive gun laws than Obama.

The only problem is I think he might want to arm teachers too.


Also, Ben "tough guy" Sasse is at it again.

 

 

I would honestly laugh my ass off since I’ve had so many trump voters claim they voted for him because they oppose gun regulations. 

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I feel like people aren't even trying to think straight.

Think of all the teachers you had.

Now imagine that they have to have the added responsibility of packing heat. From the cute little old lady teachers to the ones with a terrible temper that'll probably open fire at some point. I feel sorry for how little credit (and compensation) people in that profession get already. Now people think they should have to carry this awful added responsibility? People are f'ing nuts.

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