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So beckton and Walters said Florida and Tennessee offered them a job. But would not allow frost to take his whole staff, NU did. 

 

Question: If the other offers would have let him take his whole staff would Frost still have chosen NU? Or would Florida recruiting have swayed him? 

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Beckton has also said that he felt like Heupel only offered him a job with the new staff down there because he was kinda 'obligated' to do so, whereas Frost made him feel like he was genuinely wanted when he came to UCF.

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He still chooses NU, maybe the choice is harder but the outcome is the same.

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1 hour ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Question: If the other offers would have let him take his whole staff would Frost still have chosen NU? Or would Florida recruiting have swayed him? 

 

I dunno.  Do you think Scott Frost would rather spend a day turkey hunting with Tom Osborne or deep sea fishing with Steve Spurrier?   My money is on ... LINK

 

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All that matters is that Frost is here.

 

I do think it’s an important distinction to note with Moos though, as I don’t think he deserves immunity from criticism for life or anything - at least not yet. He got Frost here and kept the hiring process from becoming a circus. Those are big positives. But everything else points to Moos having little to no bargaining power. Frost got to bring his entire staff here, and they all received major raises, all the while being able to coach their previous team through the bowl game.

 

None of that matters if they’re all capable Power-5 coaches and we are able to hit the ground running with realistic achievements in the near future. But if there’s a bit of a hiccup, where we need to make coaching upgrades in a few spots, then Moos has to take a lot of the blame in my opinion. I have no trouble believing that Florida and Tennessee said no to Frost rather than the other way around.

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1 hour ago, Caliborn72 said:

All that matters is that Frost is here.

 

I do think it’s an important distinction to note with Moos though, as I don’t think he deserves immunity from criticism for life or anything - at least not yet. He got Frost here and kept the hiring process from becoming a circus. Those are big positives. But everything else points to Moos having little to no bargaining power. Frost got to bring his entire staff here, and they all received major raises, all the while being able to coach their previous team through the bowl game.

 

None of that matters if they’re all capable Power-5 coaches and we are able to hit the ground running with realistic achievements in the near future. But if there’s a bit of a hiccup, where we need to make coaching upgrades in a few spots, then Moos has to take a lot of the blame in my opinion. I have no trouble believing that Florida and Tennessee said no to Frost rather than the other way around.

 

 

I disagree. He could either let Frost bring all of his coaches, or tell Frost he can't bring all of his coaches. If the latter, either Frost doesn't come or they don't have as good of a relationship, and Frost doesn't feel like he owns the team. That can lead to a lot of problems, imo. The latter would make Moos a micro-manager. You have to trust the guy you picked to lead the team and that includes picking the coaches he starts with. If Frost ever has to replace coaches due to performance, that's on him and them, not Moos.

 

When it becomes a Moos problem is a few years down the line, when he might need to nudge Frost into replacing someone. But he shouldn't do what Eichorst is said to have done, which is tell him exactly who to hire.

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I agree with you for the most part but it sounds like we were the only Power-5 team willing to let Frost name his price in every way, shape, and form. Which to be clear, I’m not saying is a bad thing yet. I think it’s very likely that we have a rockstar head coach and that his staff is exactly what he needs. But it’s also possible that a few of them will need to be replaced and that would be on Moos as well in my opinion.

 

The best barometer is to ask which assistants would have been hired at other successful schools in our conference. Walters had a couple of OC options, it feels like teams are hesitant to hire him when they think Frost is mostly responsible for UCF’s offense. But he still had options. Chinander seems like the perfect hire for our defense, I think he probably could have been promoted. But most of the other guys were considering staying at UCF until they saw the money - which Frost reportedly had to ask for more of. And our 10th assistant has no previous coaching experience, which I don’t mean as a knock on Ruud but he likely wouldn’t have been hired as a Power-5 guy right away.

 

Eichorst had to go but I also think there was tremendous external pressure to fire Banker and the Diaco hire was seen as one of the best hires of the off-season. That whole situation felt like boosters forcing his hand. That might have worked better from the start rather than year 3 when Riley desperately needed wins.

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2 hours ago, Moiraine said:

I think he would have picked UCF or Nebraska regardless, so he would have still come to Nebraska.

I think I am glad they told him he could not bring his staff. :thumbs 

 

Does not matter now though!

 

Continuity/chemistry is vastly underrated in coaching.

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Caring whether or not Frost may have gone elsewhere is like caring about that bad spot in the second quarter of a blowout win.

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Don’t get confused with big names assistants, here or not. 

 

I feel like Frost is the big game catch, he knows what he needs to lure talent; coaches and players. 

 

If if we don’t have the success we think we need in a couple years (need to fire/hire new coaches) or we have so much success that these coaches get jobs elsewhere; then we can start to wonder. 

 

There is a long leash with Frost. But he knows what’s working or not. He’s in the film room, he’s in the meetings, he’s seeing it day to day. 

 

If Frost gets this train rolling but there are glaring weaknesses at a position group or recruiting he’ll make the changes. Or, if they’re super successful and we lose coaches to head hunters he’ll find the right people. 

 

This discussion is all nuance and conjecture, I mean..who cares. Let’s just go play the games and see how it shakes out over time.  We just CAN’T be worse than 4-8...right? 

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Sometimes we as fan get so caught up in what happened with previous coaches...

 

Bo didn’t want to fire his assistants because they were winning 9 games a year... can you blame him?

 

Riley needed to make changes as we lost 7 games, then 5, then 8! It should’ve been a semi-red flag when he couldn’t get all of his assistants to come with him from Oregon state that he wanted.

 

Frost hasn’t even coached a game at Nebraska yet but we are already discussing which assistants will be canned first? Good grief guys. Frost understands part of the success N had was the staff continuity, he’s not going to can his assistants unless they break from what they are supposed to do or do something immoral. I’d start asking yourselves which Asst coach is going to get a better gig offer first....

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It's always a little interesting to look back and see how close things were to going another direction.

 

What happens to Nebraska if Tom Osborne doesn't promise Frank Solich the head coaching job? Does Osborne stay on, and do we win another Championship in 1999? 2001?

 

What happens if Pederson doesn't fire Solich in 2003, and Bo's defensive changes keep the ship afloat?

 

What happens if Solich picks up recruiting and is still here - can you imagine if it's 2018 and we're only on our third different head coach since 1962?

 

What if Callahan fires Cosgrove and hires a good defensive coordinator?  Joey Ganz spends 2008 torching teams like the latter half of 2007, Suh is a monster, and we win a conference title. Would Callahan still be here if that was the case?

 

What if Taylor Martinez isn't hit just so in that Missouri game and doesn't screw up his foot/ankle?  Is he our fourth Heisman winner? 

 

What if Ndamukong Suh was held on the final offensive play against Texas in the Big XII Championship game?  Or even slowed down, just a little bit?  Think about the fact that we lost that game because Suh was too good, got to McCoy too fast on that play, and made him throw away the ball just an Nth too soon. 

 

 

 

So many possibilities.  Maybe Gill's pass on the two-point conversion is just three inches further to the right in 1983 and Osborne wins his first National Championship 11 years earlier.  Maybe the refs don't make two of the worst calls in football history on back-to-back plays in 1982 at Penn State and he wins that year, too.  Maybe Henery is just short on his 57-yarder in 2008 and we finish the decade .500 against Colorado. 

 

When you've got idle time in the offseason and time to think about stuff like this, it's kinda interesting to think how close things are to being so different. 

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What if Shevin WIggins wore size 10 shoes instead of size 12?  

 

What if Lawrence Phillips had just eaten really a really buttery bagel before going to Kate's apartment? 

 

What if Harry Grimminger had jumped offsides before the snap of that failed 2-point conversion in the '84 OB? 

 

What if Wyoming had given Bob Devaney a $35,000 raise and five year contract extension in 1961? 

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What if the laces were out and Ray Finkle kicked the game winning field goal for the dolphins in the super bowl?

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What if Terrance Nunn had not eaten buttered popcorn before the 2006 Texas game?

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I have no issues with Frost bringing his entire coaching staff with him.  There is a lot to say about continuity and they kicked ass last year with it.  

 

From a coaching standpoint, Ruud is my only question mark because he's never been a FT coach and recruiter and Nebraska needs to stop being a proving ground for first time coaches.  I'm sure his playing experience is going to be good for him and give him some advantages.  And he'll probably have success.  

 

But a coach needs to bring people in he feels he can trust.  And if these are the coaches he trusts to get the job done, the proof will show itself soon enough.

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48 minutes ago, ADS said:

What if Terrance Nunn had not eaten buttered popcorn before the 2006 Texas game?

Add the 99 Backfield to that buttery hands group.

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We all seem to have our own ideas on this staff. 

I think Ruud was a perfect hire. Maybe being able to teach his craft and interact with the kids, is something we don't know yet.. We do know he knows how to play the position. 

The only concern I have with any of the coaches, is Chinandre. Time will tell. 

Would Frost have came without his whole staff, who knows. Urban Meyer said no to us over it, plus the  other thing.

 

GBR!!!

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Don't 90% of new coaches get to pick who they want below them?  To me it seems strange that a school would tell their new coach that they want to cherry pick coordinators.  Maybe my perception is off?

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Discussing this now is about as logical as discussing where the program would be today if TO didn't pull rank and $ Byrne hires Bob Stoops instead of Solich.  What's in the past is in the past.  Just be greatful for where we are today and the direction we are headed.  For the first time in 15 years, we are headed in the right direction.

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What the hell are we supposed to talk about. It’s summer. We can only discuss frosts greatness in so many different threads. 

 

I for one am not uncomfortable to acknowledge frost had options. ESPN rambles about worthless crap all day and lots tune in to watch 2 people give their opinions on topics. It’s fun to debate and speculate. I actually think that’s why this board was created 

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It didn't matter what Florida or Tennessee offered. They could have offered more than what Nebraska did and let his whole staff come, he still wouldn't have taken either job. It was Nebraska or UCF. Period.

 

Not only that had Frost stayed at UCF AND had Fuente decided to reverse decision and stay at VT (he was taking the Nebraska job if Frost didn't) The guy who was 3rd in line was Mullen and he also was taking the Nebraska job over Florida had it been available to him.

 

Mullen only took the Florida job when the Nebraska job was off the table. 

 

 

Some college football fans might think Florida is a top tier job, most coaches do not.  It's the 3rd best P5 job in the state with the toughest schedule and hardest admissions. 

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No matter what you guys say, I won't believe Frost was picking anywhere but UCF over Nebraska. He had already laid the groundwork at UCF and his family was comfortable.  He wasn't going anywhere but Nebraska or staying at UCF. 

 

Had he stayed, I easily could've seen them eventually getting a bid to a major conference. Which perhaps would've been his big legacy there, other than the umpteen billion games he was going to keep winning.

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23 hours ago, brophog said:

Caring whether or not Frost may have gone elsewhere is like caring about that bad spot in the second quarter of a blowout win.

 

Maybe, but Beckton making it sound like Frost would have taken the Florida job if they liked his assistants more is damn stupid. That is not a narrative you share with the public. 

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10 hours ago, Danimal said:

 

Maybe, but Beckton making it sound like Frost would have taken the Florida job if they liked his assistants more is damn stupid. That is not a narrative you share with the public. 

 

Yeah, I have to agree with this.  This is something you might mention 10-15 years later.  It's not something you share mere months later. 

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13 hours ago, Blackshirt316 said:

It didn't matter what Florida or Tennessee offered. They could have offered more than what Nebraska did and let his whole staff come, he still wouldn't have taken either job. It was Nebraska or UCF. Period.

 

Not only that had Frost stayed at UCF AND had Fuente decided to reverse decision and stay at VT (he was taking the Nebraska job if Frost didn't) The guy who was 3rd in line was Mullen and he also was taking the Nebraska job over Florida had it been available to him.

 

Mullen only took the Florida job when the Nebraska job was off the table. 

 

 

Some college football fans might think Florida is a top tier job, most coaches do not.  It's the 3rd best P5 job in the state with the toughest schedule and hardest admissions. 

 

Oh, you mean like when SF committed to NU back in 1993 coming out of high school?  

 

Make no mistake.  Scott Frost is smart.  But that's one of the reasons he's a good HC.  

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On 6/13/2018 at 8:59 PM, Blackshirt316 said:

Some college football fans might think Florida is a top tier job, most coaches do not.  It's the 3rd best P5 job in the state with the toughest schedule and hardest admissions. 

 

I think Miami is the hardest job of the three. It's a private school (also the hardest to get into) that has little commitment to football from the university. Miami is like the inverse of Nebraska. Both teams have really strong strengths but really big weaknesses. If you could combine the strengths of both, then it would be the best football program ever.

 

I will say that I think Florida State is the best job in Florida. Maybe not next year, but in a year or two, Willie Taggart is going to have FSU rolling. Probably just like Frost at Nebraska.

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1 hour ago, Hans Gruber said:

 

I think Miami is the hardest job of the three. It's a private school (also the hardest to get into) that has little commitment to football from the university. Miami is like the inverse of Nebraska. Both teams have really strong strengths but really big weaknesses. If you could combine the strengths of both, then it would be the best football program ever.

 

I will say that I think Florida State is the best job in Florida. Maybe not next year, but in a year or two, Willie Taggart is going to have FSU rolling. Probably just like Frost at Nebraska.

 

I'd love to give Taggart the benefit of the doubt.  However, he's on his fourth job in the last decade.  Considering his last move, he may not even be at FSU in a year or two. 

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19 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

I'd love to give Taggart the benefit of the doubt.  However, he's on his fourth job in the last decade.  Considering his last move, he may not even be at FSU in a year or two. 

 

Unless he gets fired, I don't think he's leaving FSU for a while. Every other move has been a step up. He's from Florida originally and now he's at (arguably) the top job in his home state.

 

This past year was just the third time FSU has hired a new head coach since 1976. I think he probably kind of liked Oregon, but it's not often the Seminoles have an opening.

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