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Who takes the 1st snap at QB?  

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3 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

I remember a post shortly after the spring game highlighting Gebbia vs Martinez in terms of accuracy. Gebbia consistently puts the ball in the best spot for his guys to make a play after the catch, Martinez can get the ball to his guy but it might not be in the optimal place. That showed in the spring game imo though Gebbia did miss one wide open throw.

 

Yeau but can Gebs go 80 yards untouched? Is his speed coachable? The upside is all the things Martinez needs to work on are coachable. On paper, he's athletically the most gifted QB on our roster with the most potential in a SF offense.

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3 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Completion percentage is the only objective measure of accuracy available.  It is not exactly the same thing but it is a very good proxy.

 

It is not accuracy. Completion percentage and accuracy are not remotely the same.

 

A completion is whether anyone caught the ball. Accuracy is how close you were to your target.

 

Especially when you are evaluating quarterbacks this is huge. If a receiver has to adjust, but catches the ball is vastly different than hitting him in stride. Trying to throw a fade vs missing inside is the difference between a DB breaking on the ball vs not. Merely catching the ball is a function of receiver vs defender but putting the ball where you want is a repeatable skill.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, brophog said:

 

It is not accuracy. Completion percentage and accuracy are not remotely the same.

 

A completion is whether anyone caught the ball. Accuracy is how close you were to your target.

 

Especially when you are evaluating quarterbacks this is huge. If a receiver has to adjust, but catches the ball is vastly different than hitting him in stride. Trying to throw a fade vs missing inside is the difference between a DB breaking on the ball vs not. Merely catching the ball is a function of receiver vs defender but putting the ball where you want is a repeatable skill.

 

 

 

If the QB throws ugly ducks but gets the ball to his playmakers, he's doing something right. I give you Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost, Eric Crouch, Taylor Martinez, you get the point. These guys were not the most accurate passers but they were clutch and made completions when it mattered the most.

 

I don't think SF all of a sudden forgot all about that. I'm sure he's aware that when it's 30 degrees out and the wind is gusting 20-30 mph we can't expect to be slinging it around.

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I want to see the best players play, but am rooting for Gebbia. The kid is just special and by all accounts, he’s one of the hardest workers on the team. To have that level of talent and work ethic is a hell of a combo.

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everyone i've talked to says martinez has been dominating at practice but that frost has been downplaying his performances in the post practice interviews to keep martinez motivated.

 

if it's not martinez, i will be shocked.

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4 hours ago, brophog said:

It is not accuracy. Completion percentage and accuracy are not remotely the same.

 

A completion is whether anyone caught the ball. Accuracy is how close you were to your target.

 

Especially when you are evaluating quarterbacks this is huge. If a receiver has to adjust, but catches the ball is vastly different than hitting him in stride. Trying to throw a fade vs missing inside is the difference between a DB breaking on the ball vs not. Merely catching the ball is a function of receiver vs defender but putting the ball where you want is a repeatable skill.

 

Dude.  Just stop.

 

You have to get close to the target for them to be able to catch the ball.  Yes, they are not exactly the same thing.  But they are closely related and completion percentage is the best widely-available proxy therefor.  If you are often putting the ball in the best place for a receiver to catch it (accurate), they will catch more of them.  If you are often throwing high/low/ahead/behind/etc. (inaccurate) they will catch fewer of them.  It's not perfect but it's the best we have.


I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish in this argument.

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1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

Dude.  Just stop.

 

You have to get close to the target for them to be able to catch the ball.  Yes, they are not exactly the same thing.  But they are closely related and completion percentage is the best widely-available proxy therefor.  If you are often putting the ball in the best place for a receiver to catch it (accurate), they will catch more of them.  If you are often throwing high/low/ahead/behind/etc. (inaccurate) they will catch fewer of them.  It's not perfect but it's the best we have.


I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish in this argument.

 

The arguing lately, it's almost like two magnets facing each other with the north pole ends. No matter what you do, they repel and push each other away. I think with each passing day, more and more of us around here are on edge. There will be a collective sigh of relief once a starter is named and Akron week starts.

 

We're just a minority on here but once our season officially kicks off, we'll be united again like Frost said. It's been far too long since our fanbase last had a camaraderie.

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12 minutes ago, FTW said:

 

The arguing lately, it's almost like two magnets facing each other with the north pole ends. No matter what you do, they repel and push each other away. I think with each passing day, more and more of us around here are on edge. There will be a collective sigh of relief once a starter is named and Akron week starts.

 

We're just a minority on here but once our season officially kicks off, we'll be united again like Frost said. It's been far too long since our fanbase last had a camaraderie.

 

 


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Either or will be fine.  They are both young and raw.  One of the two will eventually be better.  It does not matter who.  I am just grateful for both.  Just a great pre-season feeling to have right now. 

 

Come Michigan, road games and cold weather, and things will not always be so perfect.  Let's just support this position and hope it goes well. 

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6 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Dude.  Just stop.

 

You have to get close to the target for them to be able to catch the ball.  Yes, they are not exactly the same thing.  But they are closely related and completion percentage is the best widely-available proxy therefor.  If you are often putting the ball in the best place for a receiver to catch it (accurate), they will catch more of them.  If you are often throwing high/low/ahead/behind/etc. (inaccurate) they will catch fewer of them.  It's not perfect but it's the best we have.


I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish in this argument.

He has 4 rep points on that post  :dunno

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I'm not worried so much about who gets the 'first snap' so much as I am just finding that 'guy'.  Even if Gebbia hypothetically started and played well we're still going to see Martinez at some point or vice versa.  All the good press on Martinez has been great to read and he made some nice plays in the spring game but both of these guys have yet to play under the bright lights against a tough opponent too I should add when it counts so for me I just want a guy who number one doesn't turn the ball over.  That's the biggest thing I'm waiting to see from either of these guys.  Jury's still out.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Is there a practice today with interviews after? Assuming we may find out then bout QB? 

There weren't originally any interviews scheduled but there is a practice today. Tomorrow there's no practice, but Frost said that they'd make sure the media would know this weekend so I'd expect some kind of news today, one way or the other.

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25 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

I'm not worried so much about who gets the 'first snap' so much as I am just finding that 'guy'.  Even if Gebbia hypothetically started and played well we're still going to see Martinez at some point or vice versa.  All the good press on Martinez has been great to read and he made some nice plays in the spring game but both of these guys have yet to play under the bright lights against a tough opponent too I should add when it counts so for me I just want a guy who number one doesn't turn the ball over.  That's the biggest thing I'm waiting to see from either of these guys.  Jury's still out.

 

 

 

 

This. Especially with some more QBs coming in next year and Vedral able to play. All this talent is great, but to get on track, it should cycle and not be a question every few weeks if the next guy is the "one". 

 

Frost and Co are huge on everyone knowing their roles, yet QB is so even. Wonder how that plays out in the room. 

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3 hours ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Is there a practice today with interviews after? Assuming we may find out then bout QB? 

 

I believe there is a practice. But I overheard the staff is going to cheat a bit and start Akron preparation early. Not sure if that means today, tomorrow, or simply Monday?

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35 minutes ago, FTW said:

 

I believe there is a practice. But I overheard the staff is going to cheat a bit and start Akron preparation early. Not sure if that means today, tomorrow, or simply Monday?

 

 

Frost mentioned prepping for Akron on Friday and/or Saturday.

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

By "over the weekend" Frost probably meant late Sunday night.

 

The Sunday before or after Colorado?

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6 minutes ago, The Dude said:

By "over the weekend" Frost probably meant he'll announce late Sunday night.

 

 

At 11:59pm. If so I'm buying firescottfrost.com if it's not already taken.

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10 hours ago, admo said:

Either or will be fine.  They are both young and raw.  One of the two will eventually be better.  It does not matter who.  I am just grateful for both.  Just a great pre-season feeling to have right now. 

 

Come Michigan, road games and cold weather, and things will not always be so perfect.  Let's just support this position and hope it goes well. 

I am with you. We have so little information it is impossible to determine who is best. Unlike Callahan and Riley, I am certain that Frost will have the best QB for the team on the field. That may mean that more than one QB gets significant playing time for a few games.

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Just now, Moiraine said:

They are doing that scrimmage tonight that's open to the students at 7:45pm, so maybe he will announce it before/after.

Practicing the students to get ready for a night game.  Now that's game prep.  Sponsored by Barry's maybe?

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1 minute ago, Moiraine said:

They are doing that practice tonight at 7:45pm that's open to the students, so maybe he will announce it before/after.

My money is on before. This will be an Akron-focused practice and it won’t be doing the team any favors to give your starter fewer reps.

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12 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

My money is on before. This will be an Akron-focused practice and it won’t be doing the team any favors to give your starter fewer reps.

 

 

I'm kind of annoyed I didn't think about it before ('cause I've been waiting for the news all day). But I had forgotten they were doing the practice tonight until about 5 minutes ago. And for whatever reason Zarachias's post didn't register with me.

I've been playing Oregon Trail to pass the time and so far ScottFrost has not died or even gotten sick or injured.

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9 minutes ago, onlyHskrfaninIL said:

if it is martinez, i hope gebbia sticks around for at least this year.  i think they both will play.

 

Where is he going to go where he gets a better chance to show off his skills in a High Potency offense? Running QBs have a higher likelihood of getting dinged and it only takes one game to make an Impression. Ask  Tua Tagovailoa.

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29 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

I'm kind of annoyed I didn't think about it before ('cause I've been waiting for the news all day). But I had forgotten they were doing the practice tonight until about 5 minutes ago. And for whatever reason Zarachias's post didn't register with me.

I've been playing Oregon Trail to pass the time and so far ScottFrost has not died or even gotten sick or injured.

How many buffalo has he killed?

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2 minutes ago, Scratchtown said:

It’s Martinez.

 

I talked to Frost’s garbage man

That is a very disrespectful way to refer to Mr. Davison.

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14 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

I hope it's Gebbia so 1/3 of the pollsters' heads explode.

 

 

Pollsters as in people who voted in this poll?

 

Most of us trust Frost and don’t get emotionally attached to a backup QB. 

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1 hour ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Pollsters as in people who voted in this poll?

 

Most of us trust Frost and don’t get emotionally attached to a backup QB. 

 

Yep, the voting results from the poll.

 

2/3rds for Gebbia leaving 1/3rd for heads to explode :P

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5 hours ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

Frost mentioned prepping for Akron on Friday and/or Saturday.

 

damn cheaters - we might as well join the SEC

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17 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

Yep, the voting results from the poll.

 

2/3rds for Gebbia leaving 1/3rd for heads to explode :P

Hope your head is ok this morning Blitz.  I'm guessing the other 2/3 are doing fine.

 

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When was the last time a true freshman QB started a game? Have we had anyone since Frazier? Crouch had redshirted and Newcombe was playing WR as a true freshman.

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Someone on Bleacher report listed him as our first ever true freshman starter at qb this morning.  No clue if that is accurate.

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Damn. Shouldn't have let my head get the better of me and stuck with my post-spring prediction of Martinez.

 

Either, it's game week. :koolaid2:

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

Someone on Bleacher report listed him as our first ever true freshman starter at qb this morning.  No clue if that is accurate.

I think he's the first ever true freshman QB to start a home opener, but not necessarily first ever to start (not entirely sure though).

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1 minute ago, Hilltop said:

Someone on Bleacher report listed him as our first ever true freshman starter at qb this morning.  No clue if that is accurate.

To start the season that might be true.

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1 minute ago, Wunderkind said:

To start the season that might be true.

He’s the first true freshman to start a season opener.  Frazier and Cody Green also started games as True Freshmen. 

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5 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

When was the last time a true freshman QB started a game? Have we had anyone since Frazier? Crouch had redshirted and Newcombe was playing WR as a true freshman.

And Frazier didn’t start game one. His start came later- maybe early October? 

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