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1 hour ago, VectorVictor said:

This I attribute to personnel decisions by the coaching staff. I dunno why we keep Ozigbo on the sideline when he's the best back in the stable we have to get you 2 or 3 hard yards. 

 

No, Ozigbo isn't going to break land-speed records and go streaking for a TD. But he'll get you those 2-3 consistently in heavy traffic, and he'll even break a 10-20 yard gain too...over and over again. And I would think using Ozigbo to break the will of opposing defenses would pay dividends, especially as we go through conference play. 

 

And yes, I get that this is an O-Line thread. But I don't think our 3rd and Short issues are purely on the O-Line. 

 

Disagree.  We don't have an offense built to play traditional smash mouth.  We tried to go smash mouth after Troy fumbled the punt to us inside their 10.  Ozigbo got two yards total on two carries.  

 

Give me Bell or Washington who can make a guy miss.

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49 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Disagree.  We don't have an offense built to play traditional smash mouth.  We tried to go smash mouth after Troy fumbled the punt to us inside their 10.  Ozigbo got two yards total on two carries.  

 

Give me Bell or Washington who can make a guy miss.

I don't disagree with a new coach coming in and running his system from day one at the expense of short term success in favor of the long term benefit and SF has just the contract to allow such a move.  That said, when looking at all the seniors, size, and physical attributes of our O-line, what are your thoughts on the offense being the right fit for them this year. 

 

Seems to me this line is better suited for down hill run blocking than any line in the recent past.  We average 322 lbs up front, and have 3 seniors in the middle.  If there was ever a year to run downhill would seem to me this is the year and group to do it with.  

 

Should SF coach to the strength of his players this year over the long term goal of building his scheme and program success?  Well when the wins don't come us fans are inpatient and say no.  A few years from now when we're winning every game we'll have a different opinion.  Anyhow just curious what your take on our current O-line is in regards to being better suited for smash ball.

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1 minute ago, LaunchCode said:

I don't disagree with a new coach coming in and running his system from day one at the expense of short term success in favor of the long term benefit and SF has just the contract to allow such a move.  That said, when looking at all the seniors, size, and physical attributes of our O-line, what are your thoughts on the offense being the right fit for them this year. 

 

Seems to me this line is better suited for down hill run blocking than any line in the recent past.  We average 322 lbs up front, and have 3 seniors in the middle.  If there was ever a year to run downhill would seem to me this is the year and group to do it with.  

 

Should SF coach to the strength of his players this year over the long term goal of building his scheme and program success?  Well when the wins don't come us fans are inpatient and say no.  A few years from now when we're winning every game we'll have a different opinion.  Anyhow just curious what your take on our current O-line is in regards to being better suited for smash ball.

 

I guess I don't really see it.  We haven't been much of a straight-ahead running team for some time.  Most of these guys - the interior guys anyway, plus Farniok - were recruited by Pelini when we ran an offense similar to what we run now.  But under Riley they spent most of their time working in Pro Style offense with a lot of pass blocking.  I don't think it's that they can't run block.  We ran the ball up and down the field on Colorado.  

 

People are taking too much about our offense from the Troy game where we were using an extremely limited playbook with a QB who was struggling to do much of anything.

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On 9/16/2018 at 12:12 PM, Thanks_Tom RR said:

There is real potential at every other position on this Husker team, except OL, PR, and punter. I will make a bold prediction that a failure in progress for the Huskers over the next 5 years will be centered around a failure in progress from the OL. Frost's staff needs to be able to actually assess better OL recruits and bring them into the program.

 

I will say that I am not down on Jaimes. We are also hearing a lot about Wilson but just not seeing a lot of PT.

Well, considering our OL stinks and only one back-up is worthy of PT... Next year gone be rough, since we lose 3 "crappy" SR's.

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43 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

I guess I don't really see it.  We haven't been much of a straight-ahead running team for some time.  Most of these guys - the interior guys anyway, plus Farniok - were recruited by Pelini when we ran an offense similar to what we run now.  But under Riley they spent most of their time working in Pro Style offense with a lot of pass blocking.  I don't think it's that they can't run block.  We ran the ball up and down the field on Colorado.  

 

People are taking too much about our offense from the Troy game where we were using an extremely limited playbook with a QB who was struggling to do much of anything.

I don't follow the recruiting as closely as you so surprised that Farniok (2016 recruiting class) was recruited by Pelini.

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10 minutes ago, LaunchCode said:

I don't follow the recruiting as closely as you so surprised that Farniok (2016 recruiting class) was recruited by Pelini.

 

He didn't commit until Riley was here but Pelini's staff was recruiting him originally.

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1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

Disagree.  We don't have an offense built to play traditional smash mouth.  We tried to go smash mouth after Troy fumbled the punt to us inside their 10.  Ozigbo got two yards total on two carries.  

 

Give me Bell or Washington who can make a guy miss.

 

Maybe when we get some stellar O-Line play and the kids consistently show good ball security, yes. 

 

We don't have either right now, and it's going to be closer to the end of the season before one or both show up. 

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Of course, the caveat to all that is Michigan has one of the better DLs we'll play all year.  They have a likely Top 10 draft pick in Gary and six other four-star guys to work in.  So it's entirely possible that we don't look all that great again this week.  But a healthy Martinez will help the entire operation look better.

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3 hours ago, VectorVictor said:

 

This I attribute to personnel decisions by the coaching staff. I dunno why we keep Ozigbo on the sideline when he's the best back in the stable we have to get you 2 or 3 hard yards. 

 

No, Ozigbo isn't going to break land-speed records and go streaking for a TD. But he'll get you those 2-3 consistently in heavy traffic, and he'll even break a 10-20 yard gain too...over and over again. And I would think using Ozigbo to break the will of opposing defenses would pay dividends, especially as we go through conference play. 

 

And yes, I get that this is an O-Line thread. But I don't think our 3rd and Short issues are purely on the O-Line. 

 

Yep. I thought about this a lot this week. 

 

It seems that one limiting factor is that we try to "go fast." I have a feeling Frost isn't going to budge on that and probably isn't going to be very likely to slow it down and get Ozigbo on the field in these situations. Probably only for goal line situations.

 

I had the same exact thought after it happened a couple of times - "Why isn't Ozigbo taking these 3rd & short runs?"

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6 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Yep. I thought about this a lot this week. 

 

It seems that one limiting factor is that we try to "go fast." I have a feeling Frost isn't going to budge on that and probably isn't going to be very likely to slow it down and get Ozigbo on the field in these situations. Probably only for goal line situations.

 

I had the same exact thought after it happened a couple of times - "Why isn't Ozigbo taking these 3rd & short runs?"

 

Vs Troy, Ozigbo had 2 tries from the Troy 7 to get it into the end zone.  He got 2 yards total.

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1 hour ago, ScottyIce said:

Well, considering our OL stinks and only one back-up is worthy of PT... Next year gone be rough, since we lose 3 "crappy" SR's.

It could be addition by subtraction. LT play so far has been better this year. However, an inexperienced OL will likely have it's own problems. 

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2 minutes ago, Thanks_Tom RR said:

It could be addition by subtraction. LT play so far has been better this year. However, an inexperienced OL will likely have it's own problems. 

I expect the 2 OT's to be much improved next year.  The 3 interior guys is worrisome.

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We don’t have a good enough OL to make an okay QB (Bunch) look good, but I think Martinez is a good enough QB to make a decent OL look good.

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20 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

I expect the 2 OT's to be much improved next year.  The 3 interior guys is worrisome.

 

Same. 

 

Maybe the "next up" guys will be good and ready. They will have had summer, fall, this season, next spring and following to get squared away with S&C and playbook.  In addition to whatever reps they've been getting in practices.  So yeah, more reps, weights, strength and so forth.  Should be okay.  We are moving forward in the right direction under this staff.

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5 minutes ago, admo said:

 

Same. 

 

Maybe the "next up" guys will be good and ready. They will have had summer, fall, this season, next spring and following to get squared away with S&C and playbook.  In addition to whatever reps they've been getting in practices.  So yeah, more reps, weights, strength and so forth.  Should be okay.  We are moving forward in the right direction under this staff.

It just has me worrisome because we are in a somewhat similar situation we were under with Cav.

 

The differences were Cav didn't WANT to play back ups.  Which led to players not being really ready in games when called upon.  

 

Austin, according to his own words, can't rely on anyone but Wilson.  So we are still in the same situation with backups not getting any reps for the most part.

 

 

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Just now, StPaulHusker said:

It just has me worrisome because we are in a somewhat similar situation we were under with Cav.

 

The differences were Cav didn't WANT to play back ups.  Which led to players not being really ready in games when called upon.  

 

Austin, according to his own words, can't rely on anyone but Wilson.  So we are still in the same situation with backups not getting any reps for the most part.

 

 

 

True. 

 

Would you think it might be because these other guys are not in college football bodies quite yet? Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the staff mentioned this team wasn't in very good physical shape. That's less than a year ago.  Or do you think it's a coaching thing or player development?

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44 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

Vs Troy, Ozigbo had 2 tries from the Troy 7 to get it into the end zone.  He got 2 yards total.

 

That example (that was given previously) is a little out of context though. Ozigbo had been sparingly used until that point...so sending him out there was pretty much tipping our hand that we were going to rush with Ozigbo. 

 

Now, if you said that those tries happened while he was getting most of the carries during the first half of the Colorado game...then that's another story. 

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4 minutes ago, admo said:

 

True. 

 

Would you think it might be because these other guys are not in college football bodies quite yet? Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the staff mentioned this team wasn't in very good physical shape. That's less than a year ago.  Or do you think it's a coaching thing or player development?

I don't know.  8 months should have been more than enough time to get anyone into football shape.  Bando and Schichterman and definitely the younger Farniok are maybe not physically ready.  So I don't believe it would be all a S&C thing.

 

I wonder about the players ability a bit.  Christian Gaylord is a Jr and can't see the field.  At some point that has to be on him.  Unless he's injured, of course.

 

Rairdon is our highest rated OL player since Steinkuhler and even Sharp and Benning were wondering where he is.

 

 

 

 

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My current guess is we see more of Farmer at Center and Wilson in at RG. Too bad of a performance against Troy to not change anything. 

 

As far as next season, I think Farniok profiles better as a guard long term. The addition of Desmond Bland will be huge, that guy can play. I see Jaimes, Wilson, Bland, Farniok and Sichterman (or JuCo OT) being our line next year.

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23 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

It just has me worrisome because we are in a somewhat similar situation we were under with Cav.

 

The differences were Cav didn't WANT to play back ups.  Which led to players not being really ready in games when called upon.  

 

Austin, according to his own words, can't rely on anyone but Wilson.  So we are still in the same situation with backups not getting any reps for the most part.

 

I think - hope? - that mentality will being to pay off down the road.  It sure sounds like we are doing a much better job of getting guys reps in practice.  Previously, it kind of sounded like if you weren't in the top group there was a lot of standing around.  And since Cav only worked with his top group .....

 

I think the younger guys are getting a lot more practice time than they used to.  I don't think we'll probably see much benefit from that this year but hopefully down the road we will.

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1 hour ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

Vs Troy, Ozigbo had 2 tries from the Troy 7 to get it into the end zone.  He got 2 yards total.

 

Yeah...

 

I think as Knapp and others alluded to either earlier in this thread or another thread was that the play calling also probably should have been a bit different in these situations. Combining that with how we seemed kind of one-dimensional with Bunch in the game, we just needed something different.

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50 minutes ago, Undone said:

Yeah...

 

I think as Knapp and others alluded to either earlier in this thread or another thread was that the play calling also probably should have been a bit different in these situations. Combining that with how we seemed kind of one-dimensional with Bunch in the game, we just needed something different.

 

The problem is that's basically the only type of play-calling that fits Ozigbo.

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11 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

The problem is that's basically the only type of play-calling that fits Ozigbo.

 

Agreed.

 

Hopefully Frost & Co. gleaned a lot of things from watching the tape from Troy.

 

My thought is, if it's 3rd & 2 and Ozigbo's in there, play action, roll out, and throw it to him into the flat, etc., etc.  There were so many things that went wrong in the fourth quarter offensively against Troy.

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44 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

The problem is that's basically the only type of play-calling that fits Ozigbo.

 

I think if the O-Line can improve, and Adrian stays healthy, defenses will be more on their heels where Ozigbo may not be needed as much.  Washington on a 4th and 1, with a healthy Adrian and competent O-Line?  Why not give it to a guy that can house it vs stumble for 2 feet or nothing?

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Just now, DefenderAO said:

I think if the O-Line can improve, and Adrian stays healthy, defenses will be more on their heels where Ozigbo may not be needed as much.  Washington on a 4th and 1, with a healthy Adrian and competent O-Line?  Why not give it to a guy that can house it vs stumble for 2 feet or nothing?

 

Exactly.  But I think it's more a matter of Washington getting the playbook figured out than the OL figuring it out.

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2 hours ago, GBRFAN said:

You will see a lot more creativity on 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2 then what was shown in the first 2 games.

i hope we don't see them going on 4 and 2.........that can be a game changer anywhere on the field.

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4 hours ago, Undone said:

 

Yeah...

 

I think as Knapp and others alluded to either earlier in this thread or another thread was that the play calling also probably should have been a bit different in these situations. Combining that with how we seemed kind of one-dimensional with Bunch in the game, we just needed something different.

very predictable play call, that one is on Frost......especially if the D loaded the box, probably too much to expect Bunch to audible.

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