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1 hour ago, OTHusker said:

 

Roger Stone clearly coordinated with Wikileaks, who was an intermediary pawn peddling Russian-hacked emails.

 

Roger Stone was a high-profile Trump advisor.

 

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45 minutes ago, TheSker said:

Looks like AOC has found some luxury living in DC.

 

......which of course she campaigned against.

Yeah....she didn't really think that through.  It is a pretty bad look.

 

I mean, I can see why a US Congresswoman wouldn't be able to live in just any old apartment.  There has to be some security concerns.  But to pick a place that has an exception from affordable housing rules....woof!

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11 hours ago, OTHusker said:

an expanded probe based on a fake dossier paid for by clinton which paid Russian sources and relied on very scetchy Russians with lots of it proven to be false

I've seen a number of Trump supporters say this. Except nothing in the Steele dossier has been proven wrong and a lot of it has been corroborated.

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

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With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time. In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos. We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically. The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven.

 

 

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“ Better” race relations  probably depends on who you ask. Obama tried to shed some light on, and fix,  some of the abuse, racism, inequality , etc that many black people deal with in this country . If you ask them I’m sure they would say relations were better .

Under the current administration those issues have been abandoned, and denounced, so if you asked Trump supporters , some of whom are still very racist , and some of whom don’t want to hear/acknowledge ugly truths like that , you will likely get a much different opinion of “better” . 

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3 hours ago, TheSker said:

Looks like AOC has found some luxury living in DC.

 

......which of course she campaigned against.

 

 

I don't think she campaigned against that. I think she campaigned against something like widespread and systematic cost of living increases all the way across urban areas that are gentrifying and forcing poorer people out of the cities and neighborhoods.

 

But I bet she even drives a car with an internal combustion engine too. What a hypocrite.

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9 hours ago, Big Red 40 said:

“ Better” race relations  probably depends on who you ask. Obama tried to shed some light on, and fix,  some of the abuse, racism, inequality , etc that many black people deal with in this country . If you ask them I’m sure they would say relations were better .

Under the current administration those issues have been abandoned, and denounced, so if you asked Trump supporters , some of whom are still very racist , and some of whom don’t want to hear/acknowledge ugly truths like that , you will likely get a much different opinion of “better” . 

A cnn poll would beg to differ 

57 percent of whites and 40 percent of blacks felt race relations worsened under obama

 

that is a very difficult subject that many Americans feel Extremely uncomfortable talking about 

if you don’t toe the line that we are a terrible racist nation you get labeled an insensitive uneducated racist- that type of shaming response is very widespread 

factuall conversations just can’t be had 

outrage, indignation and censorship happen when simple facts are shared politely that temper or disprove their narrative

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-danger-of-the-black-lives-matter-movement/2/

 

so I’m thinking the real numbers are much higher just like the trump poll numbers were much lower than what actually happened in the election 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/10/05/politics/obama-race-relations-poll/index.html

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9 hours ago, RedDenver said:

I've seen a number of Trump supporters say this. Except nothing in the Steele dossier has been proven wrong and a lot of it has been corroborated.

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

 

Not so fast

other sources do not agree with that 

 

please dont label me a trump supporter

i don’t support or like the man

i don’t think he is a very good president 

i do however agree with some of his positions 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/18/steele-dossier-michael-isikoff/2347833002/

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8 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

I don't think she campaigned against that. I think she campaigned against something like widespread and systematic cost of living increases all the way across urban areas that are gentrifying and forcing poorer people out of the cities and neighborhoods.

 

But I bet she even drives a car with an internal combustion engine too. What a hypocrite.

My understanding is that her apartment is in the Navy Yard area.  Developers in this area were sued by civil rights group for doing exactly this.

 

"In 2018, a civil rights attorney suedthe Washington, D.C. government for allegedly discriminatory gentrification policies, claiming that development in Navy Yard area and other parts of southeast D.C. encouraged an influx of affluent “millennial creatives” who displaced minority residents."

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/poor-people-not-allowed-in-aocs-luxury-apartment-complex

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Wow. The right-wingers on this site just continue to make this thread the gold that it is.  Now we're slamming AOC for her apartment.

 

 

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AOC Has Chosen This DC Neighborhood As Her New Home

WASHINGTON, DC -- Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) has reportedly chosen Navy Yard as her home in D.C., and she slammed media outlets earlier this week for revealing details about it.

 

The Washington Free Beacon first reported that she lived in a "luxury" apartment building in Navy Yard, although the price they quoted -- $2,000+ -- is average for any apartment near Capitol Hill.

 

Many other right-wing news outlets shared the story, apparently trying to draw implications that renting an apartment near Capitol Hill was in contradiction with her socialist values. Ocasio-Cortez slammed the report, noting that they were sharing her living location on the same day that it was revealed a potential mass shooter had been accused of targeting her and other high-profile Democrats.

 

 

 

This is Obama's tan suit and Mom Jeans all over again. 

 

Our conservative friends are more than willing to complain about Obama's attire, Hillary's emails, and now AOC's living arrangements, all in an attempt to assassinate the character of their ideological opponents.

 

Meanwhile, Trump does Trump stuff and... nary a peep of protest from them. 

 

Brilliant, conservatives.  Brilliant.  It's a really good look complaining about this stuff.

 

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It is a real shame I agree

i think some just wanted to point out Cortez hypocrisy 

 

good luck to her btw with paying Entry level people very close to what the market says positions that are more difficult should pay much more 

markets are markets, its not going to work long term

the higher skilled and harder working performers will blast out

 

yep making fun of how people in the White House dress is silly

they seem to like to pick on the First Lady and ivanka as well

or are those republicans making Those silly comments? 

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3 hours ago, OTHusker said:

A cnn poll would beg to differ 

57 percent of whites and 40 percent of blacks felt race relations worsened under obama

I'm not surprised by these numbers.  However, the bigger question is, what do people think caused this?  THAT is the real telling question.

 

Just because race relations got worse during his term, doesn't mean it got worse BECAUSE of him.

 

I'm a believer that Obama was not the cause of this due to actions he took.  There were a lot of white people who were uncomfortable or irritated that a black man was elected President from the Democratic party with the vast majority of black Ameicans voting for him.  They would never admit it, but in their minds, they sat back and just knew things were going to get bad and they were going to jump on any issue the even tried to raise its ugly head.

Well....then, during Obama's term, we had some major issues come to light about police actions against black people.  Some of those were unarmed, on video tape, shot in the back....etc.  Rightfully so, black communities were not happy about this and protested.  You then had black football players kneeling during the anthem protesting these police abuses...which sent patriotic white people over the edge.

 

All of a sudden, white people started blaming Obama for all this unrest.

 

Question....what about this was Obama's fault?

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5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

There were a lot of white people who were uncomfortable or irritated that a black man was elected President from the Democratic party with the vast majority of black Ameicans voting for him.  They would never admit it, but in their minds, they sat back and just knew things were going to get bad and they were going to jump on any issue the even tried to raise its ugly head.

Well....then, during Obama's term, we had some major issues come to light about police actions against black people.  Some of those were unarmed, on video tape, shot in the back....etc.  Rightfully so, black communities were not happy about this and protested.  You then had black football players kneeling during the anthem protesting these police abuses...which sent patriotic white people over the edge.

 

All of a sudden, white people started blaming Obama for all this unrest.

 

I know so many of these people. Electing a racist like Trump was a direct result of their closeted (and sometimes not-so-closeted) bigotry.

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59 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I'm not surprised by these numbers.  However, the bigger question is, what do people think caused this?  THAT is the real telling question.

 

Just because race relations got worse during his term, doesn't mean it got worse BECAUSE of him.

 

I'm a believer that Obama was not the cause of this due to actions he took.  There were a lot of white people who were uncomfortable or irritated that a black man was elected President from the Democratic party with the vast majority of black Ameicans voting for him.  They would never admit it, but in their minds, they sat back and just knew things were going to get bad and they were going to jump on any issue the even tried to raise its ugly head.

Well....then, during Obama's term, we had some major issues come to light about police actions against black people.  Some of those were unarmed, on video tape, shot in the back....etc.  Rightfully so, black communities were not happy about this and protested.  You then had black football players kneeling during the anthem protesting these police abuses...which sent patriotic white people over the edge.

 

All of a sudden, white people started blaming Obama for all this unrest.

 

Question....what about this was Obama's fault?

 

 

I think Black people and other minorities thought it was safer to speak up a little more because a Black man was president. Negative reactions to this were not their fault nor were they Obama’s fault. 

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I must live in a shell upscale suburbia

i don’t personally have any friends or relatives who stated anything like what Kap suggests he sees everywhere 

 

sure ’m guessing they exist

however didn’t Obama win 2 elections

 

im guessing the people I know would have been far more critical of Bernie than obama 

 

 

 

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