The Angry Violent Right

[knapplc]

 

[ZRod]

7 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Unfortunately the Capitol Officer was killed. Beat to death with a fire extinguisher.

Has he officially been pronounced? NPR and the AP reported in error due to the capitol police providing the wrong info. He was on life support until family arrived yesterday.

 

Semantics, but it's reality...

[Nebfanatic]

9 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Do you even read these articles or did you learn to google search and just post the top hits?  They don’t say anything about Andy falsely claiming video of non Antifa as Antifa??  And the claims of him making up profiles?  No idea if true or not but zero evidence was presented that any of those were Andy and it was denied by his lawyer and employer. 
 

It’s just a few articles with tweets from Antifa embedded in them.  

Yea I read the articles. Andy is working with proudboys to skew the view on whats happening at protests. He is working with white supremacist terrorist groups and you want me to take him seriously. No where would Andy Ngos twitter account be considered a reliable source. Not on huskerboard or in any news room in America, including Fox. He isn't a good source straight up. He is biased to say the least considering he is working with right wing extremist to amplify their message. No one working with extremists to amplify their message should be considered a good source. 

[BigRedBuster]

25 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Has he officially been pronounced? NPR and the AP reported in error due to the capitol police providing the wrong info. He was on life support until family arrived yesterday.

 

Semantics, but it's reality...

Yes.  

 

 

[TGHusker]

So now trump wants to play nice.  He is trying to avoid the stain of being removed from office.  What a despicable person. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-cabinets-media-violence-michael-pence-b363a0e31c4504cc221b7d848be8edac

 

Quote

 

With 13 days left in his term, President Donald Trump finally bent to reality Thursday amid growing talk of trying to force him out early, acknowledging he’ll peacefully leave after Congress affirmed his defeat.

Trump led off a video from the White House by condemning the violence carried out in his name a day earlier at the Capitol. Then, for the first time on camera, he admitted his presidency would soon end — though he declined to mention President-elect Joe Biden by name or explicitly state he had lost.

“A new administration will be inaugurated on Jan. 20,” Trump said in the video. “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.”

The address, which appeared designed to stave off talk of a forced early eviction, came at the end of a day when the cornered president stayed out of sight in the White House. Silenced on some of his favorite internet lines of communication, he watched the resignations of several top aides, including two Cabinet secretaries.

And as officials sifted through the aftermath of the pro-Trump mob’s siege of the U.S. Capitol, there was growing discussion of impeaching him a second time or invoking the 25th Amendment to oust him from the Oval Office.

The invasion of the Capitol building, a powerful symbol of the nation’s democracy, rattled Republicans and Democrats alike. They struggled with how best to contain the impulses of a president deemed too dangerous to control his own social media accounts but who remains commander in chief of the world’s greatest military.

“I’m not worried about the next election, I’m worried about getting through the next 14 days,” said Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, one of Trump’s staunchest allies. He condemned the president’s role in Wednesday’s riots and said, “If something else happens, all options would be on the table.”

Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared that “the president of the United States incited an armed insurrection against America.” She called him “a very dangerous person who should not continue in office. This is urgent, an emergency of the highest magnitude.”

Neither option to remove Trump seemed likely, with little time left in his term to draft the Cabinet members needed to invoke the amendment or to organize the hearings and trial mandated for an impeachment. But the fact that the dramatic options were even the subject of discussion in Washington’s corridors of power served as a warning to Trump.

Fears of what a desperate president could do in his final days spread in the nation’s capital and beyond, including speculation Trump could incite more violence, make rash appointments, issue ill-conceived pardons — including for himself and his family — or even trigger a destabilizing international incident.

 

 

[ZRod]

22 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Yes.  

 

 

Very sad. You probably never think something like this will ever happen when you take that job...

[suh_fan93]

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

 

First thing this makes me think of unfortunately were the supposed 'police officers' caught on video who literally pointed the way for the initial angry mob of trumpers right up to the front door of Capital hill.  

 

Hope you're all happy and doing well today...

 

 

[knapplc]

 

The logical end product of years of trump calling the press "the enemy of the people."

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

10 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

“I’m not worried about the next election, I’m worried about getting through the next 14 days,” said Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, one of Trump’s staunchest allies. He condemned the president’s role in Wednesday’s riots and said, “If something else happens, all options would be on the table.”

Something else???

[Ulty]

17 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

“A new administration will be inaugurated on Jan. 20,” Trump said in the video. “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.”

Healing...reconciliation...orderly...

 

Man, good thing Trump probably doesn't know how to use a dictionary. Otherwise his speechwriters would be in trouble.

[Born N Bled Red]

This is how the last traitors/ small insurrection was handled, those who participated in Shay's rebellion were treated in 1786/1787. (Pulled from Wiki) Sorry its long, but I think its an interesting piece of the current discussion. The Civil War, while also including traitors, obviously was much bigger. 

 

On August 29, a well-organized force of protestors formed in Northampton, Massachusetts and successfully prevented the county court from sitting.^[24] The leaders of this force proclaimed that they were seeking relief from the burdensome judicial processes that were depriving the people of their land and possessions. They called themselves Regulators, a reference to the Regulator movement of North Carolina which sought to reform corrupt practices in the late 1760s.^[25]

 

The court was then shut down in Worcester, Massachusetts by similar action on September 5, but the county militia refused to turn out, as it was composed mainly of men sympathetic to the protestors.^[27] Governors of the neighboring states acted decisively, calling out the militia to hunt down the ringleaders in their own states after the first such protests.^[28] 

 

 Samuel Adams claimed that foreigners ("British emissaries") were instigating treason among citizens. Adams helped draw up a Riot Act and a resolution suspending habeas corpus so the authorities could legally keep people in jail without trial.

Adams proposed a new legal distinction that rebellion in a republic should be punished by execution.^[15] The legislature also moved to make some concessions on matters that upset farmers, saying that certain old taxes could now be paid in goods instead of hard currency.^[15] These measures were followed by one prohibiting speech critical of the government and offering pardons to protestors willing to take an oath of allegiance.^[33] These legislative actions were unsuccessful in quelling the protests,^[15] and the suspension of habeas corpus alarmed many.^[34]

 

Warrants were issued for the arrest of several of the protest ringleaders, and a posse of some 300 men rode to Groton on November 28 to arrest Job Shattuck and other rebel leaders in the area. Shattuck was chased down and arrested on the 30th and was wounded by a sword slash in the process.^[35] This action and the arrest of other protest leaders in the eastern parts of the state angered those in the west, and they began to organize an overthrow of the state government. "The seeds of war are now sown", wrote one correspondent in Shrewsbury,^[36] and by mid-January rebel leaders spoke of smashing the "tyrannical government of Massachusetts".^[37]

 

The federal government had been unable to recruit soldiers for the army because of a lack of funding, so Massachusetts leaders decided to act independently. On January 4, 1787, Governor Bowdoin proposed creating a privately funded militia army. Former Continental Army General Benjamin Lincoln solicited funds and raised more than £6,000 from more than 125 merchants by the end of January.^[38] The 3,000 militiamen who were recruited into this army were almost entirely from the eastern counties of Massachusetts, and they marched to Worcester on January 19.

 

While the government forces assembled, Shays and Day and other rebel leaders in the west organized their forces establishing regional regimental organizations that were run by democratically elected committees. Their first major target was the federal armory in Springfield.^[40] General Shepard had taken possession of the armory under orders from Governor Bowdoin, and he used its arsenal to arm a militia force of 1,200. He had done this even though the armory was federal property, not state, and he did not have permission from Secretary at War Henry Knox.^[41][42]

 

The insurgents were organized into three major groups and intended to surround and attack the armory simultaneously. Shays had one group east of Springfield near Palmer, Luke Day had a second force across the Connecticut River in West Springfield, and the force under Eli Parsons was to the north at Chicopee.^[43] The rebels had planned their assault for January 25, but Day changed this at the last minute and sent a message to Shays indicating that he would not be ready to attack until the 26th.^[44] Day's message was intercepted by Shepard's men, so the militia of Shays and Parsons approached the armory on the 25th not knowing that they would have no support from the west;^[45] instead, they found Shepard's militia waiting for them. Shepard first ordered warning shots fired over the heads of Shays' men, and then he ordered two cannons to fire grape shot. Four Shaysites were killed and 20 wounded. There was no musket fire from either side, and the rebel advance collapsed.^[46] Most of the rebel forces fled north, both Shays' men and Day's men, and they eventually regrouped at Amherst, Massachusetts.^[47]

 

General Lincoln immediately began marching west from Worcester with the 3,000 men that had been mustered. The rebels moved generally north and east to avoid him, eventually establishing a camp at Petersham, Massachusetts. They raided the shops of local merchants for supplies along the way and took some of the merchants hostage. Lincoln pursued them and reached Pelham, Massachusetts on February 2, some 30 miles (48 km) from Petersham.^[48] He led his militia on a forced march to Petersham through a bitter snowstorm on the night of February 3–4, arriving early in the morning. They surprised the rebel camp so thoroughly that the rebels scattered "without time to call in their out parties or even their guards".^[49] Lincoln claimed to capture 150 men but none of them were officers, and historian Leonard Richards has questioned the veracity of the report. Most of the leadership escaped north into New Hampshire and Vermont, where they were sheltered despite repeated demands that they be returned to Massachusetts for trial.^[50]

 

Lincoln's march marked the end of large-scale organized resistance. Ringleaders who eluded capture fled to neighboring states, and pockets of local resistance continued. Some rebel leaders approached Lord Dorchester for assistance, the British governor of the Province of Quebec who reportedly promised assistance in the form of Mohawk warriors led by Joseph Brant.^[51] Dorchester's proposal was vetoed in London, however, and no assistance came to the rebels.^[52] The same day that Lincoln arrived at Petersham, the state legislature passed bills authorizing a state of martial law and giving the governor broad powers to act against the rebels. The bills also authorized state payments to reimburse Lincoln and the merchants who had funded the army and authorized the recruitment of additional militia.^[53] On February 16, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed the Disqualification Act to prevent a legislative response by rebel sympathizers. This bill forbade any acknowledged rebels from holding a variety of elected and appointed offices.^[54]

 

 

Four thousand people signed confessions acknowledging participation in the events of the rebellion in exchange for amnesty. Several hundred participants were eventually indicted on charges relating to the rebellion, but most of these were pardoned under a general amnesty that excluded only a few ringleaders. Eighteen men were convicted and sentenced to death, but most of these had their sentences commuted or overturned on appeal, or were pardoned. John Bly and Charles Rose, however, were hanged on December 6, 1787.^[58] They were also accused of a common-law crime, as both were looters.

 

Shays was pardoned in 1788 and he returned to Massachusetts from hiding in the Vermont woods.^[59] He was vilified by the Boston press, who painted him as an archetypal anarchist opposed to the government.^[60] He later moved to the Conesus, New York area where he died poor and obscure in 1825.^[59]

[JJ Husker]

9 minutes ago, Ulty said:

Healing...reconciliation...orderly...

 

Man, good thing Trump probably doesn't know how to use a dictionary. Otherwise his speechwriters would be in trouble.

Yeah normally he has all words exceeding one syllable and three letters stripped from his speeches. He must have been drugged and distraught if he actually read that in a video. Too bad he doesn't know what they mean. Body double?

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Yeah normally he has all words exceeding one syllable and three letters stripped from his speeches. He must have been drugged and distraught if he actually read that in a video. Too bad he doesn't know what they mean. Body double?

I could see his cabinet telling him, "you read this speech and try your best to be believable or we will invoke the 25th."

[BigRedBuster]

I'm frustrated and surprised at the lack of arrests happening with the people they KNOW stormed the Capital Building.

 

Which, made me think, since it's a federal government building, would these people be charged federal crimes?  I'm thinking the FBI isn't arresting them until Trump is out of office so he can't pardon them.

 

Still frustrated that they were even allowed to leave the building without being arrested on site.

[DevoHusker]

1 hour ago, Born N Bled Red said:

This is how the last traitors/ small insurrection was handled, those who participated in Shay's rebellion were treated in 1786/1787. (Pulled from Wiki) Sorry its long, but I think its an interesting piece of the current discussion. The Civil War, while also including traitors, obviously was much bigger. 

 

On August 29, a well-organized force of protestors formed in Northampton, Massachusetts and successfully prevented the county court from sitting.^[24] The leaders of this force proclaimed that they were seeking relief from the burdensome judicial processes that were depriving the people of their land and possessions. They called themselves Regulators, a reference to the Regulator movement of North Carolina which sought to reform corrupt practices in the late 1760s.^[25]

 

The court was then shut down in Worcester, Massachusetts by similar action on September 5, but the county militia refused to turn out, as it was composed mainly of men sympathetic to the protestors.^[27] Governors of the neighboring states acted decisively, calling out the militia to hunt down the ringleaders in their own states after the first such protests.^[28] 

 

 Samuel Adams claimed that foreigners ("British emissaries") were instigating treason among citizens. Adams helped draw up a Riot Act and a resolution suspending habeas corpus so the authorities could legally keep people in jail without trial.

Adams proposed a new legal distinction that rebellion in a republic should be punished by execution.^[15] The legislature also moved to make some concessions on matters that upset farmers, saying that certain old taxes could now be paid in goods instead of hard currency.^[15] These measures were followed by one prohibiting speech critical of the government and offering pardons to protestors willing to take an oath of allegiance.^[33] These legislative actions were unsuccessful in quelling the protests,^[15] and the suspension of habeas corpus alarmed many.^[34]

 

Warrants were issued for the arrest of several of the protest ringleaders, and a posse of some 300 men rode to Groton on November 28 to arrest Job Shattuck and other rebel leaders in the area. Shattuck was chased down and arrested on the 30th and was wounded by a sword slash in the process.^[35] This action and the arrest of other protest leaders in the eastern parts of the state angered those in the west, and they began to organize an overthrow of the state government. "The seeds of war are now sown", wrote one correspondent in Shrewsbury,^[36] and by mid-January rebel leaders spoke of smashing the "tyrannical government of Massachusetts".^[37]

 

The federal government had been unable to recruit soldiers for the army because of a lack of funding, so Massachusetts leaders decided to act independently. On January 4, 1787, Governor Bowdoin proposed creating a privately funded militia army. Former Continental Army General Benjamin Lincoln solicited funds and raised more than £6,000 from more than 125 merchants by the end of January.^[38] The 3,000 militiamen who were recruited into this army were almost entirely from the eastern counties of Massachusetts, and they marched to Worcester on January 19.

 

While the government forces assembled, Shays and Day and other rebel leaders in the west organized their forces establishing regional regimental organizations that were run by democratically elected committees. Their first major target was the federal armory in Springfield.^[40] General Shepard had taken possession of the armory under orders from Governor Bowdoin, and he used its arsenal to arm a militia force of 1,200. He had done this even though the armory was federal property, not state, and he did not have permission from Secretary at War Henry Knox.^[41][42]

 

The insurgents were organized into three major groups and intended to surround and attack the armory simultaneously. Shays had one group east of Springfield near Palmer, Luke Day had a second force across the Connecticut River in West Springfield, and the force under Eli Parsons was to the north at Chicopee.^[43] The rebels had planned their assault for January 25, but Day changed this at the last minute and sent a message to Shays indicating that he would not be ready to attack until the 26th.^[44] Day's message was intercepted by Shepard's men, so the militia of Shays and Parsons approached the armory on the 25th not knowing that they would have no support from the west;^[45] instead, they found Shepard's militia waiting for them. Shepard first ordered warning shots fired over the heads of Shays' men, and then he ordered two cannons to fire grape shot. Four Shaysites were killed and 20 wounded. There was no musket fire from either side, and the rebel advance collapsed.^[46] Most of the rebel forces fled north, both Shays' men and Day's men, and they eventually regrouped at Amherst, Massachusetts.^[47]

 

General Lincoln immediately began marching west from Worcester with the 3,000 men that had been mustered. The rebels moved generally north and east to avoid him, eventually establishing a camp at Petersham, Massachusetts. They raided the shops of local merchants for supplies along the way and took some of the merchants hostage. Lincoln pursued them and reached Pelham, Massachusetts on February 2, some 30 miles (48 km) from Petersham.^[48] He led his militia on a forced march to Petersham through a bitter snowstorm on the night of February 3–4, arriving early in the morning. They surprised the rebel camp so thoroughly that the rebels scattered "without time to call in their out parties or even their guards".^[49] Lincoln claimed to capture 150 men but none of them were officers, and historian Leonard Richards has questioned the veracity of the report. Most of the leadership escaped north into New Hampshire and Vermont, where they were sheltered despite repeated demands that they be returned to Massachusetts for trial.^[50]

 

Lincoln's march marked the end of large-scale organized resistance. Ringleaders who eluded capture fled to neighboring states, and pockets of local resistance continued. Some rebel leaders approached Lord Dorchester for assistance, the British governor of the Province of Quebec who reportedly promised assistance in the form of Mohawk warriors led by Joseph Brant.^[51] Dorchester's proposal was vetoed in London, however, and no assistance came to the rebels.^[52] The same day that Lincoln arrived at Petersham, the state legislature passed bills authorizing a state of martial law and giving the governor broad powers to act against the rebels. The bills also authorized state payments to reimburse Lincoln and the merchants who had funded the army and authorized the recruitment of additional militia.^[53] On February 16, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed the Disqualification Act to prevent a legislative response by rebel sympathizers. This bill forbade any acknowledged rebels from holding a variety of elected and appointed offices.^[54]

 

 

Four thousand people signed confessions acknowledging participation in the events of the rebellion in exchange for amnesty. Several hundred participants were eventually indicted on charges relating to the rebellion, but most of these were pardoned under a general amnesty that excluded only a few ringleaders. Eighteen men were convicted and sentenced to death, but most of these had their sentences commuted or overturned on appeal, or were pardoned. John Bly and Charles Rose, however, were hanged on December 6, 1787.^[58] They were also accused of a common-law crime, as both were looters.

 

Shays was pardoned in 1788 and he returned to Massachusetts from hiding in the Vermont woods.^[59] He was vilified by the Boston press, who painted him as an archetypal anarchist opposed to the government.^[60] He later moved to the Conesus, New York area where he died poor and obscure in 1825.^[59]

 

Good history lesson for me, thanks!