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That is awesome, it is encouraging the way HCSF can evaluate talent.

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I was just coming here to post this. That is really impressive, especially considering one of the bigger "freshman mistakes" I've seen. He is really special and is only going to get better and better.

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20 minutes ago, QMany said:

I was just coming here to post this. That is really impressive, especially considering one of the bigger "freshman mistakes" I've seen. He is really special and is only going to get better and better.

I am impressed with Martinez’s ability to shake off mistakes, move on, and then make plays.

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Guess I should have looked a little higher up in the thread before I posted this. :)

 

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19 minutes ago, brophog said:

I'm more excited that Haskins isn't first. 62.2 is well short of his usual ~85 grade.

Wait, we might have a defense??

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Man this kid is going to be a star. He is the type of player that can get us into a playoff, seriously. If we can surround him with talent we will go places. 

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Just now, Nebfanatic said:

Wait, we might have a defense??

I thought the defense played ok against Ohio State. It forced turnovers and made a number of needed stops when the offense was sputtering in the 2nd half. I expected Ohio State to rack up near 50 points yesterday. 

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15 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I thought the defense played ok against Ohio State. It forced turnovers and made a number of needed stops when the offense was sputtering in the 2nd half. I expected Ohio State to rack up near 50 points yesterday. 

Totally agree. We saw glimpses of what its supposed to look like on defense and that has me hopeful for the future with Chin coordinating. I think having Domann at LB makes a big difference for us. He was playing Griffin-like Saturday before he got knicked up. We seemed to drop off once he came out. 

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He’s a stud who can get better and knows he will get better. Greg Austin’s quote about recruits wanting to play around him is awesome to read about. So excited to see this team every week again. Hoping to snap my 5 game losing streak his Saturday!

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49 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I thought the defense played ok against Ohio State. It forced turnovers and made a number of needed stops when the offense was sputtering in the 2nd half. I expected Ohio State to rack up near 50 points yesterday. 

I’ll take that game from the defense. Good enough to win most games with our O. Chin’s preferred style seems to be a ball hawking defense that looks for splash plays. They will give up some yards though. Only concern would be does that style work in Big 10? We shall see, but it sure as hell beats watching the bend then break style we saw the last few years

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He is elite. Great job by Frost landing him.

Great job by Mario coaching him up.

Great job by Adrian for being such a hard worker and cool customer.

Great job by his parents for raising what seems to be such a thoughtful, Great kid.

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3 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said:

It just does not compute to me - we have guys on these weekly B1G or National lists every week ... still only 2 wins.

Two things: the first half of the season, the offensive scoring output wasn’t matching the yardage, and while NU has a lot of skill players on these lists, the linemen aren’t showing up. 

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22 minutes ago, Dilly Dilly said:

It just does not compute to me - we have guys on these weekly B1G or National lists every week ... still only 2 wins.

 

It's a reason you'll almost never see me evaluate a team based on wins. Lots of noise in the data. We've just found a lot of ways to lose.

 

Regardless of our final record, you'll see lots of preseason lists next year with us predicted to be most improved. We are doing a lot of things that lead to winning, and over time that will show.

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Wonder what his stats on Saturday would have been without the drops. Those dropped passes were right where they needed to be. Except for that one bizarre moment, Martinez did everything he could have possibly done to win.

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1 hour ago, Ulty said:

Wonder what his stats on Saturday would have been without the drops. Those dropped passes were right where they needed to be. Except for that one bizarre moment, Martinez did everything he could have possibly done to win.

 

That really is a good way to put it. 

 

Frost & Walters drew up a pretty incredible game plan, also. That's something that's been missing from our overall dynamic for a long, long time. That huge pass to our tight end on the left sideline was everything that I thought Frost's offense would be.

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1 hour ago, Ulty said:

Wonder what his stats on Saturday would have been without the drops. Those dropped passes were right where they needed to be. Except for that one bizarre moment, Martinez did everything he could have possibly done to win.

 

I think this is the thing that should stand out to us. He's still a freshmen. There's room to play cleaner. This is going to be fun to watch in the years going forward. 

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27 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

That really is a good way to put it. 

 

Frost & Walters drew up a pretty incredible game plan, also. That's something that's been missing from our overall dynamic for a long, long time. That huge pass to our tight end on the left sideline was everything that I thought Frost's offense would be.

Benning is discussing this morning how Frost's offense is constantly putting the defense in conflict situations.  The pass to Allen on the sideline is a perfect example.

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15 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Two things: the first half of the season, the offensive scoring output wasn’t matching the yardage, and while NU has a lot of skill players on these lists, the linemen aren’t showing up

 

The most frustrating thing the last 14 seasons has been the OL play.  I have never thought it was a lack of talent either.  For an OL to be effective, all five players have to do their job at the same time.  What I have seen is maybe four players doing their job while the fifth screws up.  This is what has made the OL look so bad for so long.  And, it's not always the same guy screwing up.  It just seems it's a different guy missing his assignment on most plays that yield in losses.  Our OL hasn't played as a team for a very long time.  While this year didn't start out any differently, I can see the OL play has improved a ton as the season has gone on. 

 

I had no idea when the season started what to expect for wins and losses.  The one thing I wanted to see is happening.  We're getting better and better each week.  At the end of the season, we will be a completely different team that where we started.  Someone brought it up in another thread how nobody has mentioned lately if last year's team could beat this year's team.  Early in the season, the 17' team would have beaten this team.  Today, the 18' team would dominate the 17' team.  While our record won't show it, we might very well be one of the top three to four best teams in the B1G at season's end.

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19 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

The most frustrating thing the last 14 seasons has been the OL play.  I have never thought it was a lack of talent either.  For an OL to be effective, all five players have to do their job at the same time.  What I have seen is maybe four players doing their job while the fifth screws up.  This is what has made the OL look so bad for so long.  And, it's not always the same guy screwing up.  It just seems it's a different guy missing his assignment on most plays that yield in losses.  Our OL hasn't played as a team for a very long time.  While this year didn't start out any differently, I can see the OL play has improved a ton as the season has gone on. 

 

I had no idea when the season started what to expect for wins and losses.  The one thing I wanted to see is happening.  We're getting better and better each week.  At the end of the season, we will be a completely different team that where we started.  Someone brought it up in another thread how nobody has mentioned lately if last year's team could beat this year's team.  Early in the season, the 17' team would have beaten this team.  Today, the 18' team would dominate the 17' team.  While our record won't show it, we might very well be one of the top three to four best teams in the B1G at season's end.

I think there are differences in body types on the o-line which is currently on the o-line and what Frost is looking for on o-line.  For example, Farniok is currently a starting tackle, but his body type would be a guard going forward.

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31 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

The most frustrating thing the last 14 seasons has been the OL play.  I have never thought it was a lack of talent either.  For an OL to be effective, all five players have to do their job at the same time.  What I have seen is maybe four players doing their job while the fifth screws up.  This is what has made the OL look so bad for so long.  And, it's not always the same guy screwing up.  It just seems it's a different guy missing his assignment on most plays that yield in losses.  Our OL hasn't played as a team for a very long time.  While this year didn't start out any differently, I can see the OL play has improved a ton as the season has gone on. 

 

I had no idea when the season started what to expect for wins and losses.  The one thing I wanted to see is happening.  We're getting better and better each week.  At the end of the season, we will be a completely different team that where we started.  Someone brought it up in another thread how nobody has mentioned lately if last year's team could beat this year's team.  Early in the season, the 17' team would have beaten this team.  Today, the 18' team would dominate the 17' team.  While our record won't show it, we might very well be one of the top three to four best teams in the B1G at season's end.

 

A big factor in the line play is that they are finally playing in a scheme that actually helps the O line.  When the defense knows the play is either going to be a drop back pass...or....have a slow hand off to the RB running between the tackles.....it's pretty dang tough to block.  Now....the defense is constantly questioning where the ball is going to go and to whom.  That makes it much easier for the O line to get position, leverage and numbers.

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3 hours ago, Ulty said:

Wonder what his stats on Saturday would have been without the drops. Those dropped passes were right where they needed to be. Except for that one bizarre moment, Martinez did everything he could have possibly done to win.

 

IMO, the pass to Spielman was one of the few that really "should" have been caught. There were a couple others that *could* have been caught - especially to the tight ends - but they were not easy catches.

 

I actually thought Martinez was about as "off" as I've seen him. And he was still pretty good. Which is scary, in a good way.

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2 hours ago, junior4949 said:

The most frustrating thing the last 14 seasons has been the OL play.  I have never thought it was a lack of talent either.  For an OL to be effective, all five players have to do their job at the same time.  What I have seen is maybe four players doing their job while the fifth screws up.  This is what has made the OL look so bad for so long.  And, it's not always the same guy screwing up.  It just seems it's a different guy missing his assignment on most plays that yield in losses.  Our OL hasn't played as a team for a very long time.  While this year didn't start out any differently, I can see the OL play has improved a ton as the season has gone on. 

Yep - I've been beating the OL drum for awhile, as have many others. The offensive line has played better overall these last 3-4 weeks and it's one of a several factors contributing to the fact that we now have a couple wins under our belt.

 

I think brophog said it best - the team is starting to understand what things they can control that eventually lead to winning. As of right now, I don't think it's hyperbole when people predict this team is going to be really good in the coming years.

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Still blows my mind that 66.6% of Huskerboard voters chose Gebbia as the one to start, just before the starting QB was officially named by SF.

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4 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

Still blows my mind that 66.6% of Huskerboard voters chose Gebbia as the one to start, just before the starting QB was officially named by SF.

Why? It's not like we were watching practice or had really seen AM or TG play.

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2 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Why? It's not like we were watching practice or had really seen AM or TG play.


It was pretty obvious to me, even without being at practices, that the coaching staff was really trying to push AM's buttons. The day in practice that they were clapping for him to go faster and faster in running the offense clinched it for me - because there were no such reports of them doing the same thing for Gebbia. It was also clear, from the beginning, that AM was the guy SF went after FIRST (for a reason - his Dual Threat capabilities) and Frost's formula at UCF involved starting a true Freshman QB in "Year 0" so that he would have valuable experience and be able to hit the ground running in his Sophomore year. And speaking of hitting the ground running, nobody who saw the Spring game (or paid attention all summer) could dispute that AM had the legs and more upside to make positive yardage from a read or a play breakdown.

 

If anything, I've been pleasantly surprised at what a GREAT passer AM is, in addition to his running threat. We need more dual threat QBs for depth, but if AM can stay healthy his unflappable demeanor is going to serve his team well, as will his other talents.

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With Martinez, Nebraska is the team the rest of the Big 10 West worries about in the next few years, combined with the Frost spread.   He's developing into a Patrick Mahomes.   Wish we had Martinez, or that he was in another conference.  

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Most accounts reported they were closer than they were apart, including thoughts from former players who had access to some of the scrimmages. I think TG was the 'safe' prediction from those not in the know. He was completely healthy, older, had some more experience with the college football way of life, and had a pretty good arm.

 

Nebraska fans are not accustomed to 18-year-old kids starting at quarterback and/or putting up big numbers as a freshman.

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4 hours ago, Ulty said:

Wonder what his stats on Saturday would have been without the drops. Those dropped passes were right where they needed to be. Except for that one bizarre moment, Martinez did everything he could have possibly done to win.

I think that is the point of these different stat metrics. Mistakes by others don't hurt Martinez' rating,  I think that's the point of it.

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24 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

Still blows my mind that 66.6% of Huskerboard voters chose Gebbia as the one to start, just before the starting QB was officially named by SF.

I think most of us thought that because we haven't had that much success at QB recently and we wanted depth.

At least the voters were right that our depth would be shocked if we chose Martinez haha.

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7 minutes ago, rdg25 said:

With Martinez, Nebraska is the team the rest of the Big 10 West worries about in the next few years, combined with the Frost spread.   He's developing into a Patrick Mahomes.   Wish we had Martinez, or that he was in another conference.  

 

I didn't look at your posting history to see what school you are supporting,  but the Big10 West QB (in fairly recent memory) that AM reminds me of is Wisky's Russell Wilson (later Seahawks SuperBowl QB). His running ability, in addition to his passing made him a nightmare for opposing defenses (including Nebraska's).

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Nobody could have possibly predicted the poise/savvy and efficient play of Adrian Martinez. There wasn't anything unreasonable about predicting Gebbia to start, and how impressive Adrian has been in hindsight doesn't make it crazy that people thought he would.

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2 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Nobody could have possibly predicted the poise/savvy and efficient play of Adrian Martinez. There wasn't anything unreasonable about predicting Gebbia to start, and how impressive Adrian has been in hindsight doesn't make it crazy that people thought he would.

 

But that's not what the poll was about. It wasn't about the starting QB's poise/savvy and efficent play. It was: Who is Scott Frost most likely to name the starting QB? Weird that you are trying to re-frame it now. Martinez had way more upside and we are seeing that upside sooner rather than later.

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Just now, cheekygeek said:

 

But that's not what the poll was about. It wasn't about the starting QB's poise/savvy and efficent play. It was: Who is Scott Frost most likely to name the starting QB? Weird that you are trying to re-frame it now.

 

 

Yeah, and there was very little data either way, so it was a random mostly baseless prediction on the part of everyone. Both players looked good in the spring game. Martinez was the hyped new recruit, Gebbia was the older/more experienced hard working gym rat. Reports were they were neck and neck. 

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1 hour ago, cheekygeek said:

 

But that's not what the poll was about. It wasn't about the starting QB's poise/savvy and efficent play. It was: Who is Scott Frost most likely to name the starting QB? Weird that you are trying to re-frame it now. Martinez had way more upside and we are seeing that upside sooner rather than later.

 

Actually it just said who takes the first snap. I was thinking we would see a lot of both QBs for the first few games with the starting role still being up for grabs. 

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2 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

 

Actually it just said who takes the first snap. I was thinking we would see a lot of both QBs for the first few games with the starting role still being up for grabs. 

 

Ah yes. I stand corrected.

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4 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

A big factor in the line play is that they are finally playing in a scheme that actually helps the O line.  When the defense knows the play is either going to be a drop back pass...or....have a slow hand off to the RB running between the tackles.....it's pretty dang tough to block.  Now....the defense is constantly questioning where the ball is going to go and to whom.  That makes it much easier for the O line to get position, leverage and numbers.

And when the only play that works is the QB chuck it up and see if a someone can make a play (Kenny Bell or Westy) it's a lot easier to T-off on o line.  Martinez play is giving some relief to O-Line.

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21 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Two things: the first half of the season, the offensive scoring output wasn’t matching the yardage, and while NU has a lot of skill players on these lists, the linemen aren’t showing up. 

 

Eh, you don't average 216 yards a game rushing and 5.3 per carry, or complete 66% of your passes if your offensive linemen aren't showing up. Frost's offense also asks them to be pretty versatile, and so far they've responded. Credit where credit is due for the whole offense, including a quarterback who is simply more accurate than we're used to.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Eh, you don't average 216 yards a game rushing and 5.3 per carry, or complete 66% of your passes if your offensive linemen aren't showing up. Frost's offense also asks them to be pretty versatile, and so far they've responded. Credit where credit is due for the whole offense, including a quarterback who is simply more accurate than we're used to.

 

 

The line has been better the past few weeks.  It helps that the scheme helps the o-line.


My comment about about the o-line not "showing up" has to do on those "grading lists."

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21 hours ago, Dilly Dilly said:

It just does not compute to me - we have guys on these weekly B1G or National lists every week ... still only 2 wins.

Its the coaches fault!:o:D

 

Actually when we get a few more high quality recruits throughout the 1st & 2nd teams we will be more than a hand full to deal with. Get a few more take it to the end zone guys on O and

a couple real pass rushers on D we'll see Frost's words come true: Better get us now, we'll be hard to beat in the future (my paraphrase)

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the decrease in penalties and turnovers. 

 

We were positive in the turnover margin on Saturday and didn't have as many offensive penalties that wound up stalling drives. Whenever that's the case, you're usually in a position to win the game.

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