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10 minutes ago, nic said:

Content. I don't care what you call it. Seeing the actual content is more important. Seeing how it's delivered even better.

 

What we call it matters, though. It's not "Critical Race Theory." That Fox uses that term is misinformation, and belongs as much in the Media Bias thread as here.

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5 hours ago, funhusker said:

Because not all students grow up with the same environment and/or cultures and it’s doesn’t hurt for teachers to be sensitive to that fact.

I think most reasonable people are sensitive different cultures and environments especially as they get more experience in life. Just talk to people and learn. Environments go beyond skin color too. These slides goes beyond learning about culture. 

 

People also have to adapt to the culture/environment they are currently in. If I go to Japan to study I better be ready to adapt to the culture or I am screwed. Seems like I would be the one needing to learn about their culture In that example. 

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6 minutes ago, nic said:

I think most reasonable people are sensitive different cultures and environments especially as they get more experience in life. Just talk to people and learn. Environments go beyond skin color too. These slides goes beyond learning about culture. 

 

People also have to adapt to the culture/environment they are currently in. If I go to Japan to study I better be ready to adapt to the culture or I am screwed. Seems like I would be the one needing to learn about their culture In that example. 

The training isn’t giving anyone a free pass to act however they want.  It’s trying to help teachers identify why some issues might be interpreted differently by different people.  Black students are required to meet same requirements as white students.

 

And I think the authors of the materials would agree that nothing is 100% by race.  That’s ridiculous.  But our country is severely segregated by race, so it’s not outlandish to talk about how issues effect people differently and to use race as a descriptor.

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1 hour ago, nic said:

I think most reasonable people are sensitive different cultures and environments especially as they get more experience in life. Just talk to people and learn. Environments go beyond skin color too. These slides goes beyond learning about culture. 

 

People also have to adapt to the culture/environment they are currently in. If I go to Japan to study I better be ready to adapt to the culture or I am screwed. Seems like I would be the one needing to learn about their culture In that example. 

 

Agreed. Reasonable people should adapt to the time they live in. Reasonable people should not flip out about actual factual history being taught in school. Reasonable people should be cool with the racist history of this country being taught so that our kids don't perpetuate the mistakes of our past. Reasonable people should understand that teaching kids about our racist ancestors doesn't make those of us who resemble those ancestors racist.

 

 

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

Agreed. Reasonable people should adapt to the time they live in. Reasonable people should not flip out about actual factual history being taught in school. Reasonable people should be cool with the racist history of this country being taught so that our kids don't perpetuate the mistakes of our past. Reasonable people should understand that teaching kids about our racist ancestors doesn't make those of us who resemble those ancestors racist.

 

 

Learning history is great. The fine line is when it starts to segregate the races again. Not sure why this makes its way into removing advanced math classes either.... Or saying meritocracy is bad. When the George Floyd riots hit I had my kids watch the MLK I have a dream speech and pick out 5 points to discuss. It was great. I told them to listen to MLKs dream and filter what anyone tells them through that lens.

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35 minutes ago, nic said:

Learning history is great. The fine line is when it starts to segregate the races again. Not sure why this makes its way into removing advanced math classes either.... Or saying meritocracy is bad. When the George Floyd riots hit I had my kids watch the MLK I have a dream speech and pick out 5 points to discuss. It was great. I told them to listen to MLKs dream and filter what anyone tells them through that lens.

MLK’s “I have a dream” speech is like .5% of His public speeches.  And an insignificant amount of literature/speeches given by people during the civil rights era and even more so when adding in the abolitionist movement.  While it was important, Im hoping we can stretch a little further than that.

 

Especially when that speech does not denounce the identification of skin color or religion. The end of the speech actually calls for blacks, whites, Jews, Protestants, etc to come together for a common cause in humanity.  It never called for them to leave identity behind.

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42 minutes ago, nic said:

Learning history is great. The fine line is when it starts to segregate the races again. Not sure why this makes its way into removing advanced math classes either.... Or saying meritocracy is bad. When the George Floyd riots hit I had my kids watch the MLK I have a dream speech and pick out 5 points to discuss. It was great. I told them to listen to MLKs dream and filter what anyone tells them through that lens.

 

You're tilting at windmills with most of this.

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37 minutes ago, nic said:

Learning history is great. The fine line is when it starts to segregate the races again. Not sure why this makes its way into removing advanced math classes either.... Or saying meritocracy is bad. When the George Floyd riots hit I had my kids watch the MLK I have a dream speech and pick out 5 points to discuss. It was great. I told them to listen to MLKs dream and filter what anyone tells them through that lens.

 

 

Would you have any issues showing your kids these parts of MLK speeches?

 

 

“I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered... The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and racism. The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power... Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad.”


"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."

 

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

 

"First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

 

 

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1 hour ago, nic said:

When the George Floyd riots hit I had my kids watch the MLK I have a dream speech and pick out 5 points to discuss.

 

Looking at your posting history, and what you choose to share here, that seems... interesting.

 

How would you say Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech has shaped the things you choose to share here?

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10 hours ago, funhusker said:

MLK’s “I have a dream” speech is like .5% of His public speeches.  And an insignificant amount of literature/speeches given by people during the civil rights era and even more so when adding in the abolitionist movement.  While it was important, Im hoping we can stretch a little further than that.

 

Especially when that speech does not denounce the identification of skin color or religion. The end of the speech actually calls for blacks, whites, Jews, Protestants, etc to come together for a common cause in humanity.  It never called for them to leave identity behind.

Everyone is a unique individual with a unique background. Who said anything about leaving their identity behind?… Unless they chose to I guess.

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10 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Would you have any issues showing your kids these parts of MLK speeches?

 

 

“I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered... The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and racism. The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power... Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad.”


"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."

 

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”

 

"First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

 

 

No  speech from MLK is off limits. When and where was this one given? Also I, doubt anyone here would agree 100% with someone else, but hopefully our kids are taught to critically think about issues and they have the freedom to openly debate them if they wish.

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