Education

[teachercd]

1 minute ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

That appears to be the case, just as we are hardwired to hate cilantro and struggle with math. 

 

There's still free will involved, but people start with different baselines. 

When you think about it that way, it means that we should never get mad at people for liking/hating other groups.  Because it is not their fault.  Assuming they don't "act on it" or do something illegal. 

 

It is an interesting way to look at it because I think often times we only view it from the "like" point of view and not the "hate" point of view but you really can't have one without the other.

[teachercd]

2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Wait. Do you mean "like" or "attracted to?" Cause I sense you going over the top to something neither Loreworn or me are suggesting. 

I guess I look at those things as the same in the example of an adult that "likes" and/or is "attracted to" kids.

 

But "like" seems much more innocent. 

[teachercd]

Also, I do hate math but I think I like cilantro but I might be getting that confused with pico.

[BigRedBuster]

 

[nic]

On 5/4/2023 at 7:41 AM, Archy1221 said:

There is no way this can be true?  Can it? 

Supposedly an educator walked out of the meeting saying they had "had enough". He probably took the photo and leaked it. I should be able to officially find this soon minus the last bullet. Colorado education has been in the news a lot lately. 

[nic]

On 5/4/2023 at 11:23 AM, funhusker said:

Do you have a photo of the "adoption"?

 

This picture doesn't mean anything on it's own.

 

And yes, teachers can quit unions and keep their jobs.  If the NEA ever did this, I would.   I'm thinking about leaving the union anyways...

Googling "Colorado teachers union resolution". Gives a number of hits. One from Complete Colorado who seems to be making an effort to verify it. It's a long rambling read.

 

 https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2023/05/09/armstrong-colorado-teachers-union-goes-full-socialist/

 

"Originally, Lindstrom’s draft stated, in part, “The only way to fully address systemic racism (the school to prison pipeline), climate change, patriarchy (gender and LGBTQ disparities), education inequality, and income inequality is to dismantle capitalism and replace it with a new, equitable economic system.” Gee, I wonder what Lindstrom might call that “new” system.

Here is the amended resolution as passed by the assembled CEA members: “The CEA believes that capitalism inherently exploits children, public schools, land, labor, and resources. Capitalism is in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism (the school to prison pipeline), climate change, patriarchy (gender and LGBTQ disparities), education inequality, and income inequality.”

In Ransom’s words, the CEA representative said the resolution is not “actionable” but that it does “reflect the views of the union’s 39,000 members.” Ransom adds, “That probably comes as a big surprise to the majority of teachers in Colorado, who are likely appalled by the actions of the delegates at the CEA assembly.” I have not seen it reported how many people attended the assembly in question or how many voted in favor of the resolution, but I imagine the number is a tiny fraction of 39,000."

 

I suspect if the union voted on it, it can be found iina union document, but I am not a teacher and am not sure where the CEA publishes this stuff. I might ask some teachers I know. I have a great relationship with quite a few as my kids have been in the system for 12 years now. 

[BigRedBuster]

13 minutes ago, nic said:

Googling "Colorado teachers union resolution". Gives a number of hits. One from Complete Colorado who seems to be making an effort to verify it. It's a long rambling read.

 

 https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2023/05/09/armstrong-colorado-teachers-union-goes-full-socialist/

 

"Originally, Lindstrom’s draft stated, in part, “The only way to fully address systemic racism (the school to prison pipeline), climate change, patriarchy (gender and LGBTQ disparities), education inequality, and income inequality is to dismantle capitalism and replace it with a new, equitable economic system.” Gee, I wonder what Lindstrom might call that “new” system.

Here is the amended resolution as passed by the assembled CEA members: “The CEA believes that capitalism inherently exploits children, public schools, land, labor, and resources. Capitalism is in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism (the school to prison pipeline), climate change, patriarchy (gender and LGBTQ disparities), education inequality, and income inequality.”

In Ransom’s words, the CEA representative said the resolution is not “actionable” but that it does “reflect the views of the union’s 39,000 members.” Ransom adds, “That probably comes as a big surprise to the majority of teachers in Colorado, who are likely appalled by the actions of the delegates at the CEA assembly.” I have not seen it reported how many people attended the assembly in question or how many voted in favor of the resolution, but I imagine the number is a tiny fraction of 39,000."

 

I suspect if the union voted on it, it can be found iina union document, but I am not a teacher and am not sure where the CEA publishes this stuff. I might ask some teachers I know. I have a great relationship with quite a few as my kids have been in the system for 12 years now. 

Stupid.

[nic]

On 5/4/2023 at 9:41 AM, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

I think the words "Submitted by: Bryan Lindstrom" up top suggests this is not what Nic claims it to be, and it's most likely manufactured bait that guys like Nic don't bother to vet before chumming the waters. 

My previous post may help you decide whether this is chum. If I can get the meeting minutes or the official resolution is released to the public, I will let you know.  Honestly, there is a lot of news about Colorado education lately that is bothersome. 

[knapplc]

34 minutes ago, nic said:

Googling "Colorado teachers union resolution". Gives a number of hits.

 

It... doesn't.

 

 

 

 

I guess if you google it without quotes it comes up with a bunch of right-wing frothy articles all saying the same thing. 

 

They also conveniently bury the fact that the wording @nic used was the initial proposal by Mr. Lindstrom the History teacher, and not the language of the resolution. But of course the ACTUAL language wouldn't have been nearly as frothy to the right wingers, so they "forget" to include that when passing this story around.  Weird, huh?

 

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The original Colorado Education Association resolution, submitted by history teacher Bryan Lindstrom, states that “the only way to fully address systemic racism, climate change, patriarchy, education [and] income inequality is to dismantle capitalism and replace it with a new, equitable economic system.”

 

The final version slightly alters the above to “Capitalism is in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism, climate change, patriarchy, and education [and] income inequality.”

 

 

 

LINK

 

 

 

Fox has a hilarious quote about the Biden White House hasn't commented on this... because duh, why would they? It's some non-binding nonsense from a teacher's union. But that is being held up by the frothers as evidence that...

 

[ZRod]

7 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

It... doesn't.

 

But did you scroll down?

[knapplc]

3 minutes ago, ZRod said:

But did you scroll down?

 

You can see the bottom of the page in the screen shot. I did the search again without quotes and it has more results, which are all the same froth from right-wing sources. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Yeah, it's a big story with a lot of hits, almost exclusively right wing web sites. 

 

But however you slice it, even with the corrected wording, it's a Teacher's Union officially declaring Capitalism the enemy, while oddly avoiding public release. It's a bad look and I have a hard time believing anything this overtly ideological passed, though apparently it did. There is nothing remotely close to this language on the Union's website. 

 

The smoking gun appears to be a secret screenshot of Bryan Lindstrom's laptop. They talk about the similar wording of the official resolution, but the Union has avoided sharing it. I don't know what else will come out of this, but it only fuels the struggles faced by every public school in the country. Colorado has some splaining to do. 

 

If the right wing websites are even half accurate, it's a story the mainstream press should cover, too. 

 

 

 

 

[knapplc]

31 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

But however you slice it, even with the corrected wording, it's a Teacher's Union officially declaring Capitalism the enemy

 

Is it, though? It's saying Capitalism "is at odds." That's hardly calling for the abolishment of Capitalism. And it's a non-binding resolution. Some teachers threw some words down and said they agree. They're not changing curricula.

 

This isn't banning books and threatening teachers with felonies for teaching facts.

[Guy Chamberlin]

3 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

Is it, though? It's saying Capitalism "is at odds." That's hardly calling for the abolishment of Capitalism. And it's a non-binding resolution. Some teachers threw some words down and said they agree. They're not changing curricula.

 

This isn't banning books and threatening teachers with felonies for teaching facts.

 

I'm honestly not sure what's going on with this story, but I find it kinda fascinating.

 

What's the point of drafting a non-binding resolution in the first place? And then trying to keep anyone from reading it? And why is it hard to find a record of it? Was it even endorsed by the rank and file? Did they all get copies? Why did they even need a clandestine shot of the dude's laptop screen and a disgruntled union mole to break this story? Why haven't follow up stories gotten more details? 

 

I have a lot of teacher friends, and even here in one of the most liberal counties in America I can't imagine them signing off on this because it IS needlessly ideological and a direct danger to their profession. 

 

Now if you glanced through the rightwing froth on this subject, you'll see repeated mentions of: "If you ever needed proof that school teachers plan to indoctrinate our kids with a Leftist agenda, there it is!"  And to be honest, the resolution is almost TOO perfect that way. The whole story could not be better crafted for outraged social media sharing. I'm not running away from the possibility or even the likelihood that a serious lefty got his agenda placed in a teachers union resolution, but I'll alway carve out room for the reactionary right to manufacture something out of near-nothing. If the CEA actually did everything described, they should take the heat. 

 

Of course elsewhere in Colorado, the Right has found a way to make their social agenda very binding indeed, and you can f#&% off if you want to protest because they were elected. I see this was just posted, but I had already cut and pasted the link: 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woodland-park-colorado-school-board-conservatives-rcna83311

 

 

[knapplc]

2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

What's the point of drafting a non-binding resolution in the first place? And then trying to keep anyone from reading it? And why is it hard to find a record of it? Was it even endorsed by the rank and file? Did they all get copies? Why did they even need a clandestine shot of the dude's laptop screen and a disgruntled union mole to break this story? Why haven't follow up stories gotten more details? 

 

Salient questions.

 

If this is an official position of the Colorado Teacher's Union, why hasn't it been published? Why don't they defend it? Who is this lone History teacher who allegedly wrote this? Is this the actual factual opinion of the folks who teach K-12 kiddos in Colorado?

 

Before we super froth up, shouldn't we know all of the answers to the questions you ask, and I ask?

 

And if we don't know those answers, isn't it possible there's little or no reason to froth at this time?