Education

[nic]

9 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

It... doesn't.

 

 

 

 

I guess if you google it without quotes it comes up with a bunch of right-wing frothy articles all saying the same thing. 

 

They also conveniently bury the fact that the wording @nic used was the initial proposal by Mr. Lindstrom the History teacher, and not the language of the resolution. But of course the ACTUAL language wouldn't have been nearly as frothy to the right wingers, so they "forget" to include that when passing this story around.  Weird, huh?

 

 

 

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Fox has a hilarious quote about the Biden White House hasn't commented on this... because duh, why would they? It's some non-binding nonsense from a teacher's union. But that is being held up by the frothers as evidence that...

 

 

9 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

It... doesn't.

 

 

 

 

I guess if you google it without quotes it comes up with a bunch of right-wing frothy articles all saying the same thing. 

 

They also conveniently bury the fact that the wording @nic used was the initial proposal by Mr. Lindstrom the History teacher, and not the language of the resolution. But of course the ACTUAL language wouldn't have been nearly as frothy to the right wingers, so they "forget" to include that when passing this story around.  Weird, huh?

 

 

 

LINK

 

 

 

Fox has a hilarious quote about the Biden White House hasn't commented on this... because duh, why would they? It's some non-binding nonsense from a teacher's union. But that is being held up by the frothers as evidence that...

 

And if it is accurate …what would be your take on it? Do you agree with the statement?

[funhusker]

7 hours ago, nic said:

 

And if it is accurate …what would be your take on it? Do you agree with the statement?

That "capitalism is at odds" with environmental and other concerns?  Absolutely not!

 

There's a reason that throughout history voters have elected people to enforce regulations on business owners.

 

Would you be okay with a private coal mining company dumping waste in your drinking water if it saved them money?  Of course you wouldn't.  And we don't need extreme examples like that to show that we aren't okay with it.

 

Heck, even a ton of people hate windmills just because it makes the view "look" ugly.

 

Pretending that humans aren't raping the earth at any possible turn to make a few bucks is silly.

 

 

PS: as a teacher in the USA, this isn't my fight and I really don't want my name attached to it.  I'd vote against the resolution simply because there are much bigger and more important "fish to fry" in our relationship with our communities.

[knapplc]

7 hours ago, nic said:

 

And if it is accurate …what would be your take on it? Do you agree with the statement?

 

This is a bit vague, but I'll presume you're referring to the actual wording (allegedly) in the statement, not the original statement by one history teacher that the right-wingers are frothing about. I think @funhusker gave a pretty reasonable answer to that, and I agree. Nobody wants unregulated Capitalism wreaking havoc on the environment, but do I think “Capitalism is in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism, climate change, patriarchy, and education [and] income inequality?" 

 

Eh. Maybe. This is also vaguely, and poorly, worded. Capitalism is not "in opposition" because Capitalism isn't a monolith. There are good and bad actors who operate in American Capitalism. Everyone would agree that some of those actors are "in opposition to fully addressing systemic racism, climate change, patriarchy, and education [and] income inequality." I don't think it's harmful to teach high school students that truth, either. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Capitalism isn't a monolith and teachers aren't a monolith, either. That's why you would avoid words like capitalism, socialism, Christianity, American Exceptionalism, fascism, Black Lives Matter, and systemic anything in a resolution to be adopted by thousands of educators in a notoriously purple state. 

 

You might use strong words that speak to the value of learning, the social imperative of an informed populace, and the duty to young people, including the belief in equity and opportunity, the necessity of academic freedom, perhaps getting as pointed as standing against racism in all forms or defending your libraries from local censors. You would use the language the CEA already uses on its current website. 

 

I was going to an even darker place; the possibility that this "too perfect" story was manufactured for this very purpose by people who've done this false flag s#!t before, at a time when they're trying to engineer their own academic takeover in the opposite direction. 

 

Of course it's entirely possible the CEA approved and sent this resolution out to all its teachers. Just doesn't feel like the story is complete at the moment. 

[DefenderAO]

 

[Cdog923]

Whelp, the voucher bill in Nebraska just passed...really wondering what state this state is going to be in in a few years. 

[funhusker]

26 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

Whelp, the voucher bill in Nebraska just passed...really wondering what state this state is going to be in in a few years. 

Who needs questionable material in school libraries when you can use tax dollars to learn about hand jobs from a priest!!!!

[ZRod]

28 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

Whelp, the voucher bill in Nebraska just passed...really wondering what state this state is going to be in in a few years. 

Ever been to West Virginia?

[Cdog923]

18 hours ago, ZRod said:

Ever been to West Virginia?

 

No, and I've never been in a Turkish prison either. 

[teachercd]

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

[teachercd]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Yeah the "blame the pandemic" people are still out there in full force.  There is probably SOME truth to that in some regards but really we just need to spend more time pushing things like...reading, writing, math and science.  

 

Home school has become more popular and I think everyone has thoughts on home schooling.  There is good and bad with it as there is with everything.  In the end most parents are not qualified to teach their kids because most of us just don't know/understand certain subjects past a certain level.  

[teachercd]

We have so many nut jobs out there that think feelings are more important than math ... s#!t most colleges have been strong-armed into not longer requiring ACT/SAT results, the are "optional" 

 

Students thought that was amazing until I told them that they created a more difficult path.  Before, you had 3 piles at a college.

 

Yes:  This applicant has the test scores and gpa we require

No: This applicant doesn't have the test scores and gpa we require

Maybe:  This person has SOME of our requirements

 

So you eliminated 1/3  of the applicants right away and possibly 66% of them.

 

NOW...everyone goes in the maybe pile.  Now getting into your college became harder because Timmy Notest has the same chance as Tanya Perfectscore.  In theory.

 

So the "we hate tests" crowd created MORE competition for themselves but with less guidelines of how that competition is won.  

 

Classic case of a first time boat owner...over correcting the wheel.  

[BigRedBuster]

9 minutes ago, teachercd said:

We have so many nut jobs out there that think feelings are more important than math ... s#!t most colleges have been strong-armed into not longer requiring ACT/SAT results, the are "optional" 

 

Students thought that was amazing until I told them that they created a more difficult path.  Before, you had 3 piles at a college.

 

Yes:  This applicant has the test scores and gpa we require

No: This applicant doesn't have the test scores and gpa we require

Maybe:  This person has SOME of our requirements

 

So you eliminated 1/3  of the applicants right away and possibly 66% of them.

 

NOW...everyone goes in the maybe pile.  Now getting into your college became harder because Timmy Notest has the same chance as Tanya Perfectscore.  In theory.

 

So the "we hate tests" crowd created MORE competition for themselves but with less guidelines of how that competition is won.  

 

Classic case of a first time boat owner...over correcting the wheel.  

Yeah....I was always one that was frustrated that ACT SAT scores were so heavily used in these decisions.  Some kids can be very smart, but just don't test well on that type of test.  But, when schools started saying..."we aren't going to use them at all".....well, that is going too far in the other direction.  

[teachercd]

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Yeah....I was always one that was frustrated that ACT SAT scores were so heavily used in these decisions.  Some kids can be very smart, but just don't test well on that type of test.  But, when schools started saying..."we aren't going to use them at all".....well, that is going too far in the other direction.  

Yep!

 

 

 

In the last two years I have had students get rejected from (mostly Big Ten) Schools that normally would have got in with ease.  Oh and the waitlisting now...it is insane.