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Just now, StPaulHusker said:

And neither does adding Texas to anything

 

If Nebraska fans feel the B1G is only all about OSU/Michigan, wait until Texas and OU show up.  

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Just so you guys know... the source was Greg Flugaur lol

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12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

None of the links in the tweet work

 

Yeah, that's kind of odd.  Can't find them on 247's page either.  :dunno

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Would be the best move for the big ten in my opinion. Who knows what sort of football playoff system will be in place at that point but will give the big ten more reputation and the bias in the rankings that the $EC seems to undeservedly get every year.

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OU would be a great pick up. As far as Texass, I wouldn't mind them from a competitive standpoint and I think the games would be fun but I don't want them anywhere near conference making decisions. They are a virus. F Texass. Would rather see Kansas and OU. Unfortunately, the B1G is all about going for the larger TV markets and that money so we'll see what happens.

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Can't take OU with out Okie State right? Wasn't that a problem when some other conference tried to pouch OU? To many okie state alums in positions of power for OU to move on with out them.

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Honestly wouldn't mind this. Adds a couple closer road games each year.

 

 

MORE IMPORTANTLY IT RE-OPENS THE ALL IMPORTANT TEXAS RECRUITING GROUNDS, YOU KNOW SINCE WE CAN'T RECRUIT IN TEXAS ANYMORE GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT IN A CONFERENCE THAT PLAYS IN THE STATE. /s

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If it goes to 16 teams, it should be a Pod system

  • Four 4-team Pods
  • Play your Pod every year (those three teams home-and-home every two years)
  • Play one other Pod every year (every other team every three years, home-and-home every six years)
  • "Protected" games each year to preserve rivalries while balancing pods
  • The team with the best record within each year's paired Pods goes to the CCG

At first I wanted to play half of a third Pod each year instead of the protected games (so you would play every team at least every-other year) but I think it would be too hard to keep all the rivalries so there would be too much push-back.  I'd have to dig a little deeper to see if you could get that to work within the Pods.

 

East Pod: Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland

North Pod: Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern

West Pod: Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois

South Pod: Texas, Oklahoma, Purdue, Indiana

 

Protected - Scheduled in years where the Pods weren't already playing each other (red=always, black=if possible, trophy game not preserved)

Illinois - Northwestern, Purdue, Ohio State

Indiana - Michigan State

Iowa - Minnesota

Maryland - 

Michigan - Ohio State

Michigan State - Indiana, Penn State, Rutgers

Minnesota - Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn State, Nebraska

Nebraska -  Oklahoma, Minnesota

Northwestern - Illinois

Ohio State - Michigan, Illinois

Oklahoma - Nebraska

Penn State - Michigan State, Minnesota

Purdue - Illinois

Rutgers - Michigan State

Texas - 

Wisconsin - Minnesota

 

Trophy Games not guaranteed - Illinois/Ohio State, Minnesota/Penn State, Nebraska/Minnesota, Michigan State/Rutgers

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 As much as I hate UT, it would be nice to have a game close games again. I made it to a lot more games when we came down to Texas frequently.  The pod would be the best system as Mavric said.  Works well for the NFL scheduling, although they add in 2 matchups a year based on  rank in the pod and dont have to pick just 2 teams at the end. Maybe by the time the conferences get to 16 it might be time to increase the Conference games to 10.

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43 minutes ago, RedSavage said:

OU would be cool.  For the love of everything holy, please keep Texas far, far away.  

Yep,  OU would be sweet,  Texas, nope. 

Invasive species.

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I'd be fine with this on the condition that OU be reinstated as our Black Friday Rival game. 

 

I hate Texas as much as the next Husker but UT was conference cancer in the XII because no one else besides NU would push back on anything Texas wanted -  and only OU really had the necessary strength anyway.  At a minimum, both MI and tOSU would have the clout and ego to force actual negotiation and consensus decisions, and I don't see Wiscy, Penn, or some of the other original B1G schools being pushovers either. 

 

It'd be nice to have an I-35 corridor, MPLS to Austin thing going if KU were in the mix too.

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1 hour ago, LumberJackSker said:

Can't take OU with out Okie State right? Wasn't that a problem when some other conference tried to pouch OU? To many okie state alums in positions of power for OU to move on with out them.

 

No, not that big of an issue. Okie Lite is still in a P5 conference, and with two of the schools preventing the conference from expanding gone, the Big XII will actually be able to get up to 12 schools again (should they want to). 

 

Texass is a pipe dream, as the B1G's main network is FOX, and ESPN owns the rights to Longwhorn Network. Texass has to keep tethered to that deal or they miss out on guaranteed money going forward from ESPN (as long as Texass isn't the school ending the deal). Texass would rather be a big fish in a little pond (read: a Big XII without Oklahoma, Kansas), than be a big fish in a large see of bigger fish (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska). It's why they won't go to the SEC, and why the Pac-12 appealed to them before--there's a set power structure in the former (that they won't break into), and there's a power vacuum in the latter (which is still there, to be honest).

 

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Kansas and Oklahoma are more realistic B1G targets, but the fly in the ointment right now is Amazon.com. Yeah, that Amazon--they're in talks to buy up the Fox Sports local channels (e.g. Fox Sports Midwest, Fox Sports Oklahoma). These channels are residual from the Fox/Disney merger that are being sold off, and Amazon is in talks to buy them up for their Prime service. Oklahoma has their third tier rights tethered to their local Fox Sports channel, and if Amazon buys the channel and cuts Oklahoma a good deal, they may be inclined to sit tight. 

 

If Amazon falls through or no one else steps up to buy the Fox Sports Channels (which is both possible and plausible at this point), then Oklahoma will be free to partner with anyone they choose for their third tier rights...like the Big Ten Network, which did have a dialog with Oklahoma to put their third tier sports on BTN. Yeah, BTN...not a typo. A move like this would obviously tip Oklahoma's hand toward where they're going when the GOR is up. 

 

And yes, the GOR is up in 2022/2023, but the groundwork for a smooth transition will happen around 2020/2021, when the B1G media deal is up and negotiations will take place for a new deal. 

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2 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

No, not that big of an issue. Okie Lite is still in a P5 conference, and with two of the schools preventing the conference from expanding gone, the Big XII will actually be able to get up to 12 schools again (should they want to). 

 

Texass is a pipe dream, as the B1G's main network is FOX, and ESPN owns the rights to Longwhorn Network. Texass has to keep tethered to that deal or they miss out on guaranteed money going forward from ESPN (as long as Texass isn't the school ending the deal). Texass would rather be a big fish in a little pond (read: a Big XII without Oklahoma, Kansas), than be a big fish in a large see of bigger fish (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska). It's why they won't go to the SEC, and why the Pac-12 appealed to them before--there's a set power structure in the former (that they won't break into), and there's a power vacuum in the latter (which is still there, to be honest).

 

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Kansas and Oklahoma are more realistic B1G targets, but the fly in the ointment right now is Amazon.com. Yeah, that Amazon--they're in talks to buy up the Fox Sports local channels (e.g. Fox Sports Midwest, Fox Sports Oklahoma). These channels are residual from the Fox/Disney merger that are being sold off, and Amazon is in talks to buy them up for their Prime service. Oklahoma has their third tier rights tethered to their local Fox Sports channel, and if Amazon buys the channel and cuts Oklahoma a good deal, they may be inclined to sit tight. 

 

If Amazon falls through or no one else steps up to buy the Fox Sports Channels (which is both possible and plausible at this point), then Oklahoma will be free to partner with anyone they choose for their third tier rights...like the Big Ten Network, which did have a dialog with Oklahoma to put their third tier sports on BTN. Yeah, BTN...not a typo. A move like this would obviously tip Oklahoma's hand toward where they're going when the GOR is up. 

 

And yes, the GOR is up in 2022/2023, but the groundwork for a smooth transition will happen around 2020/2021, when the B1G media deal is up and negotiations will take place for a new deal. 

If OU and Texas leave the big 12 it wont be a power conference. I think if they could get around okie state OU and KU would be good additions.

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People forget that the GOR is only binding if there is a conference left standing.  Without those two....there isn't.

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8 minutes ago, LumberJackSker said:

If OU and Texas leave the big 12 it wont be a power conference. I think if they could get around okie state OU and KU would be good additions.

 

Texass won't leave (for the B1G). And if Oklahoma leaves, Texass is still big fish in a P5 conference, and Okie Lite has a home. 

 

4 minutes ago, Redux said:

People forget that the GOR is only binding if there is a conference left standing.  Without those two....there isn't.

 

Not true--the remaining eight members can still keep the conference going (thus enforcing the GOR). The conference doesn't just magically disappear when your two best teams leave--you still have a super majority of schools that can vote to expand, run the conference, etc. 

 

And yes, Texass could throw mounds of legal money at the GOR to break it. But in doing so, they'd be persona non grata, as they would have provided the roadmap for the GORs in the B1G, Pac-12, and ACC to be broken as well. So that's not a smart move for Texass either if they're wanting to endear themselves to the B1G or Pac-12. 

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Just now, VectorVictor said:

 

Texass won't leave (for the B1G). And if Oklahoma leaves, Texass is still big fish in a P5 conference, and Okie Lite has a home. 

 

 

Or texas goes independent like notre dame and has a schedule of OU, Texas A&M and all their old swc teams that are now in conference usa. They go 10-2 evert year and are guaranteed a big bowl game every year.

 

If they stayed in the big 12 and it kept its power five status that would be ridiculous OU is the only team in that conference that's been relevant in football.

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5 minutes ago, LumberJackSker said:

Or texas goes independent like notre dame and has a schedule of OU, Texas A&M and all their old swc teams that are now in conference usa. They go 10-2 evert year and are guaranteed a big bowl game every year.

 

If they stayed in the big 12 and it kept its power five status that would be ridiculous OU is the only team in that conference that's been relevant in football.

 

Going independent is something Texass already looked at and backed away from when the last round of realignment happened. I think they looked at BYU and the problems they routinely run into, and it gave them cold feet. 

 

And yes, Texass is a name in football. But they're nowhere close to being a Notre Dame, and finding schools that want to shuffle their schedule to play you in October and November is going to be somewhat problematic. Plus Bevo TV doesn't have anywhere close to the market penetration that NBC OTA does, nor will it ever. And again, Texass isn't going to leave their sweetheart deal with ESPN.

 

As for Oklahoma leaving the Big XII...Kansas State, Okie Lite, and Kansas have been to prominent bowls (Kansas more recently than DoNU, don't forget). They're not without relevant, competent teams or devoid of talent.  

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9 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

Not true--the remaining eight members can still keep the conference going

 

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3 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

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It's as conceivable as a country getting involved in a land war in Asia. :dunno

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4 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

Going independent is something Texass already looked at and backed away from when the last round of realignment happened. I think they looked at BYU and the problems they routinely run into, and it gave them cold feet. 

 

And yes, Texass is a name in football. But they're nowhere close to being a Notre Dame, and finding schools that want to shuffle their schedule to play you in October and November is going to be somewhat problematic. Plus Bevo TV doesn't have anywhere close to the market penetration that NBC OTA does, nor will it ever. And again, Texass isn't going to leave their sweetheart deal with ESPN.

 

As for Oklahoma leaving the Big XII...Kansas State, Okie Lite, and Kansas have been to prominent bowls (Kansas more recently than DoNU, don't forget). They're not without relevant, competent teams or devoid of talent.  

I would appreciate it If you would stop using facts to disprove my arguments.

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3 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

It's as conceivable as a country getting involved in a land war in Asia. :dunno

 

It's not.  The Big 12 would almost assuredly lose Power 5 status which would affect the GOR anyways.

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3 minutes ago, LumberJackSker said:

I would appreciate it If you would stop using facts to disprove my arguments.

 

Sorry--force of habit when expansion talk breaks out. Guess I'm the board's wet blanket when it comes to all of the pie-in-the-sky ideas whenever we get to discussing this. :dunno

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2 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

It's not.  The Big 12 would almost assuredly lose Power 5 status which would affect the GOR anyways.

 

No, it wouldn't. As long as there is a Big XII (which there still would be, unless over half the teams leave) the GOR is enforceable, bottom line. And if you don't think the left-behind schools wouldn't enforce it (save for someone backing a Brinks truck up to their collective ADs), then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

And as I already pointed out before, it's not in Texass' best interests to break the GOR in a court of law since the potential homes for Texass all use GORs. 

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My understanding is the GOR isn't as concrete if the conference is compromised.  Losing Power 5 status would be compromising.  I could be wrong about that.

 

It doesn't matter though.  An 8 team league stands zero shot of remaining in the Power 5x they would have to add 2 teams to replace.  And who the hell would join that dumpster fire besides scrub programs?

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5 minutes ago, Redux said:

My understanding is the GOR isn't as concrete if the conference is compromised.  Losing Power 5 status would be compromising.  I could be wrong about that.

 

It doesn't matter though.  An 8 team league stands zero shot of remaining in the Power 5x they would have to add 2 teams to replace.  And who the hell would join that dumpster fire besides scrub programs?

 

It doesn't matter if they lose P5 status and they're a dumpster fire of a conference. As long as the Big XII is still a conference, then Texass and Oklahoma are beholden to the GOR--the GOR gives ALL media rights to the conference (save for those reserved by the University) as long as it is in effect. As long as there's a conference and a signed GOR, it's in effect. 

 

So all of Oklahoma and Texass' first tier and second tier rights are tied up in the Big XII GOR. Their third tier rights are still with the individual schools, which is why Texass got a lackey at ESPN to set up Bevo TV, and Oklahoma may be looking to the BTN as a home for their third tier rights. 

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Also, just an update--the Big XII GOR doesn't expire until June 2025--I thought it was 2022/2023, so my apologies. So it may be not until 2022/2023 before we see serious rumblings about this again. 

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I'm not disagreeing that the GOR makes it hard, it does.  But it's not that black and white.  If OU and Texas just up and left, the chances of the Big 12 staying at 8 are slim to none.  There are 2 scenarios at this point.

 

A) Remaining 8 try to add 2-4 teams, likely from the Mountain West.  This could work well with keeping their Power 5 status IF they can keep the core 8 together and attempt reversing the league with the likes of Boise, Fresno, BYU maybe.  But really what would happen...

 

B) The remaining 8 panic and begin accepting stupid invites like Kansas to the ACC, Okie State to the SEC, Texas Tech to the Pac 12, Kansas State without Snyder just closes up shop and calls it a good run (I wish).  The conference folds.  The remaining 8 would never have the wherewithal to not stab each other in the back to do what's best for the group.

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2 hours ago, Sker fer life said:

Yep,  OU would be sweet,  Texas, nope. 

Invasive species.

 

Invasive species is really the best description I've seen for Texass. Fits them to a T.

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let Texas go to the PAC 10 or off the face of the earth, but please not to lthe B10. Their bought off officials aren’t worth dealing with again. I’d rather grab Kansas, get half the KC market and call it a day. 

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So this dude on twitter seems to be the source of the rumors. Has about 30 tweets about a dinner with a “Big Ten Source” (BTM in his tweets).

 

Start with this tweet and read: 

 

 

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TV ad rates FOX Sports have been able to pass on to its customers indicate the network is “all in” on Big Ten Live Sport Content now and in the future, BTM told Flugaur. Given that, both FOX Sports and the Big Ten Conference want more and are working in tandem to get it. The two believe there is ample opportunity to gain more content for the next media contract in order for both to succeed together. That’s where realignment begins and comes into play once again, with those two working in tandem in their attempt to gain more value for the league, the source said.

 

They’ll try to gain more said value by adding both Big 12 powers OU and Texas. They’ll target the two schools for addition in 2024-25.

 

This source lays out three different forms called “choke points” that help successfully deliver live content. These three are financing, content and distribution. Distribution is the one to focus on, as the Big 12 Conference will, in his words, have an issue there involving Tier 1 & 2 rights. The money gap is expected to widen between the Big 12 and the SEC and Big Ten.


So, the Big Ten, along with FOX Sports, plans to let OU know what their intentions are through third parties. They will coordinate this at the same time OU is negotiating its new third tier contract, with the Big Ten emphasizing what’s at stake there and to make it a short-term deal, BTM said.

 

A short-term deal, obviously, means something could be in motion. Keep in mind the Big 12 Grant of Rights is up on June 30, 2025, so, as Flugaur notes, if OU signs something new that expires by or before then, the wheels just may be turning. The main thing to keep in mind here is OU is the school to watch.

 

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9 hours ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

 As much as I hate UT, it would be nice to have a game close games again. I made it to a lot more games when we came down to Texas frequently.  The pod would be the best system as Mavric said.  Works well for the NFL scheduling, although they add in 2 matchups a year based on  rank in the pod and dont have to pick just 2 teams at the end. Maybe by the time the conferences get to 16 it might be time to increase the Conference games to 10.

 

 

I mean maybe you live in Texas so it's easier for you personally, but 9 of the 13 other teams in the BIg Ten are closer to Lincoln than Austin Texas is.

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10 hours ago, Mavric said:

If it goes to 16 teams, it should be a Pod system

 

East Pod: Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland

North Pod: Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern

West Pod: Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois

South Pod: Texas, Oklahoma, Purdue, Indiana 

You want to keep the rivalries within a pod since they play every year. Also try and keep them geographically close. 

 

Pod1: Nebraska, Texas, OU, Iowa

Pod2: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois

Pod3: Michigan, MSU, OSU, Indiana

Pod4: PSU, Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue

 

Purdue and Indiana can play in a non-conference game every other year as the only protected game.

 

Pod 1and 3 would only ever play two teams from the other pod to keep the schedule balanced better.

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1 hour ago, Landlord said:

 

 

I mean maybe you live in Texas so it's easier for you personally, but 9 of the 13 other teams in the BIg Ten are closer to Lincoln than Austin Texas is.

I live in Austin :D. I'd honestly be happy to never play them again really, but part of me wants the chance to get some revenge also. Those lucky little s#!ts don't even have hate back for us with how many times they pulled one out of their a$$ vs better teams. I feel like we could change that with Frost. 

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59 minutes ago, nic said:

You want to keep the rivalries within a pod since they play every year. Also try and keep them geographically close. 

 

Pod1: Nebraska, Texas, OU, Iowa

Pod2: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois

Pod3: Michigan, MSU, OSU, Indiana

Pod4: PSU, Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue

 

Purdue and Indiana can play in a non-conference game every other year as the only protected game.

 

Pod 1and 3 would only ever play two teams from the other pod to keep the schedule balanced better.

Iowa fans would be pissed at this 

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I don't like the pods idea. However, if we were going to do it, I'd be ok if the Big 10 kicked out Rutgers, and somehow added Oklahoma, Texas and Missouri.

 

I hate Texas and don't trust them, but I'd be ok with it if the other two came also. And I have no interest in the Big 10 adding Kansas. They already have Rutgers, what do they need another one for?

 

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I'd prefer Kansas and Texas.  I really don't care about the old Oklahoma rivalry anymore.  They chose to tether to Texas and Oklahoma adds nothing for recruiting territory in a league that needs new recruiting areas.  I'd like a close Lawrence, KS campus to drive to and see KU basketball in a better league too.  Maybe the Big Ten sees that UT and OU are joined at the hip and wants the OKC market too?  Texas joining the SEC is as about as remote as BYU becoming part of the Pac-12.  Next to zero and it's not just the Longhorn Network.  SEC is not strong academically and that's important to UT-Austin.  I think they would only consider the Pac-12 and Big Ten for that reason.  Same reason Texas Tech or Oklahoma State has about next to no chance of joining the Pac-12 either, as a stand alone university not good enough academic schools.  If this happens, to me this is extra pressure on Scott Frost to get Nebraska back as an elite program before then.  Having Wisconsin and Iowa to beat to get to a title game is one thing, Oklahoma and Texas most years with their resources should be even more difficult.  However, until I see someone like Frank The Tank start talking about this latest round of realignment, I'm still looking at it as someone throwing stuff against the wall for attention.

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