OTHusker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I teach shoulder tackling patterned after what Pete carrol teaches not far off from from how I was taught how to tackle over 40 years ago with a few nuances and fresh teaching approaches 1 Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, OTHusker said: I teach shoulder tackling patterned after what Pete carrol teaches not far off from from how I was taught how to tackle over 40 years ago with a few nuances and fresh teaching approaches Know who else used that tackling training? 3 1 Quote Link to comment
Husker in WI Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, OTHusker said: Ok how exactly was that “tacklers” attempt at tackling enhanced by not using his arms and hands ? What advantage did it give the “tackler” not a big fan of letting backs pinball all over the field because our defenders are trying to block or butt the player into stumbling and falling rather than actually attempting a to the ground tackle this defender is a notriously poor tackler at least he’s consistent he better be Dion sanders in coverage nothing new our defense has been very consistent at it and of course reaping the rewards of very poor tackling to think this player - his teammates and fans think this is good is the most disturbing part Relax, he knocked the runner out of bounds which counts the same as a take down tackle. The celebration is for 1) winning the rep, which they did, and 2) knocking the blocker into next week. Obviously you'd rather he wrap up and form tackle, but at least he's being physical. Yeah his tackling needs to improve, but it already has over the course of the last year. Jackson bought in and turned his career around, and there's still a section of the fanbase that would rather he fail because they have him pegged a certain way. 4 1 Quote Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 B 8 hours ago, Husker in WI said: 8 hours ago, Husker in WI said: Relax, he knocked the runner out of bounds which counts the same as a take down tackle. The celebration is for 1) winning the rep, which they did, and 2) knocking the blocker into next week. Obviously you'd rather he wrap up and form tackle, but at least he's being physical. Yeah his tackling needs to improve, but it already has over the course of the last year. Jackson bought in and turned his career around, and there's still a section of the fanbase that would rather he fail because they have him pegged a certain way. We all want the kid to succeed - which in turn helps us win games- which I thought is what most of us want. However in spite of this players great athleticism he continues to consistently -tackle poorly, he consistently does this in games and in this drill the rb could have easily cut back and made him miss thanks to the defenders aiming point, pad placement, head placement and choice not to use his arms and hands Quote Link to comment
Toe Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Landlord said: Know who else used that tackling training? Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know!!! Quote Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Landlord said: Know who else used that tackling training? Watch the video If you think Rileys coaching staff taught that- where were those tackles on the field? Night and day PCs teams and Rileys teams You didnt consistently see those nice tackles on the field- Rileys team and our current team does not tackle very well at all This wouldnt be the first thing Rileys coaching staff coached poorly Historically they werent good teachers- so what is so surprising they couldnt teach Pete Carrols tackling approach ? It would be consistent that they didnt teach that well either. While Im sure they had access to lots of great ball protection techniques and drills- they didnt execute those very well either- many other examples Add in a very lazy and ineffective weight program, practices that werent physical ("those Iowa practices must be bloodbaths") , slow non inclusive practices and of course youre going to have a team that tackles poorly. It doesnt matter if you claim to use a particular approach- if it isnt taught properly (coaches putting their own twist on things) and isnt repped enough. Add in the fact most of the kids didnt have the backup skills taught properly (tackling angles, run fits, block destruction, speed and strength training), they arent going to be successful. Not sure Ive seen a team like Rileys that were worse at tackling angles and of course they lacked physicality and aggression- but hey that's not the coaches fault right- then whos fault is it- the custodian, the basketball coach, the weather- the parents? Once Frost starts consistently winning big here- we can finally call out the absolute laziness and ineptness of the ridiculous smilin mike experiment 1 Quote Link to comment
SouthLincoln Husker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, OTHusker said: B We all want the kid to succeed - which in turn helps us win games- which I thought is what most of us want. However in spite of this players great athleticism he continues to consistently -tackle poorly, he consistently does this and games and in this drill the rb could have easily cut back and made him miss thanks to the defenders aiming point, pad placement, head placement and choice not to use his arms and hands It's an indoor drill. We have no idea what the coaches are telling the players. I agree that you need to relax. Edited March 12, 2019 by SouthLincoln Husker 3 1 Quote Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said: It's an indoor drill. We have no idea what the coaches are telling the players. I agree that got need to relax. Are you serious? What difference does this make if it is an outdoor or indoor drill? 3 Level Oklahoma is a block destruction and tackling drill teams use both indoors and outdoors- meant to teach - block destruction and tackling with a very small pursuit function Im very confident our coaches arent telling the kids to tackle high, dont use your arms or hands Blocks to get kids out of bounds is unsound on many levels- you CAN knock players out of bounds, tackle low and wrap up- this isnt a mutually exclusive thing. I hate seeing poor fundamental tackling- especially when our team does it so poorly and is celebrated. Thats just me- when Armstrong was throwing all of those closed eye YOLO bombs into double coverage- even if they were TDs- I wouldnt clap- because in the long term- those YOLO prayers were going to lose us a bunch of games. Dont encourage bad behaivior even if it by some miracle yields an odd positive result Quote Link to comment
BIG ERN Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Husker in WI said: Relax, he knocked the runner out of bounds which counts the same as a take down tackle. The celebration is for 1) winning the rep, which they did, and 2) knocking the blocker into next week. Obviously you'd rather he wrap up and form tackle, but at least he's being physical. Yeah his tackling needs to improve, but it already has over the course of the last year. Jackson bought in and turned his career around, and there's still a section of the fanbase that would rather he fail because they have him pegged a certain way. He knocked over a freshman walk-on who weighs 160 lbs... 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, OTHusker said: Dont encourage bad behaivior even if it by some miracle yields an odd positive result Nobody here wants to encourage bad behavior, but writing a truculent dissertation off of some snippets of practice video isn't the correct approach either. This is exactly why media availability is so limited these days, and for the better, in my opinion. We can't even be trusted to rationally approach what little access we are given. 6 2 Quote Link to comment
Huskinator Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Landlord said: Know who else used that tackling training? Who??? Quote Link to comment
jassman24 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, BIG ERN said: He knocked over a freshman walk-on who weighs 160 lbs... I believe 89 is Todd Jonas and is 200 lbs per huskers.com Quote Link to comment
AlaSker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, jassman24 said: I believe 89 is Todd Jonas and is 200 per hustlers.com That is a sweet side gig for Honas. 1 6 Quote Link to comment
Husker in WI Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, Enhance said: Nobody here wants to encourage bad behavior, but writing a truculent dissertation off of some snippets of practice video isn't the correct approach either. This is exactly why media availability is so limited these days, and for the better, in my opinion. We can't even be trusted to rationally approach what little access we are given. Although to be fair, if we had more access we could jump to conclusions with better information! You're right though, and I really have no problem with the availability. Regardless of what Honas weighs, I know he's a walk on so you'd hope Jackson has a huge physical advantage. But you can only beat who they put in front of you, and let's not pretend he's going up against me here. OT I see where you're coming from on the YOLO bombs/bad tackling form, I just don't look at it that way. If we score or make a big tackle, I'm cheering regardless of the way it happened. I'll let the coaches handle discouraging the bad form or bad decisions, I'm cheering for results and I'll let coaches make sure the results are coming from the right processes. 1 Quote Link to comment
WyoHusker56 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Not fair to judge Jackson based on this cell phone video taken from way back. His history is what it is we all know that, but you can't look at this one video and totally condemn him. Maybe this was his first poor tackle of the drill. The running back bounced way outside maybe Jackson was letting up so he didn't smash him into teammates that are right there. He also is clearly coming from behind the running back and fighting to get his head in front instead of horse collaring the guy. To bash him off this one video with zero context is unfair and the reason we don't get more media availability. The point of this is Jackson went head to head with his blocker and beat him who cares if that is a redshirt middle schooler he did what he was supposed to. Commend the guy for practicing hard and work with him on his technique. Saying his tackling continues to SUCK when you haven't seen anything besides this one video is bull. 4 1 Quote Link to comment
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