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We have a few different topics in the P&R forum dedicated to the extremes of the Far-Right, so I thought one dedicated to the absurdities of the opposite end of the spectrum would be fair, and fun.

 

To start this thing off, I really got a kick out of this one. It doesn't appear to be a parody, and from what I can tell, she doesn't work for "The Onion":

 

 

 

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My favorite response was how carefree is your life that you actually took the time to think about this. And her response back was how carefree is your life? Lol

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If folks are gonna post these kinds of threads purely for balance sake, could it actually be focused on legislation and policies rather than just some looney tune on Twitter? 

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17 minutes ago, Fru said:

If folks are gonna post these kinds of threads purely for balance sake, could it actually be focused on legislation and policies rather than just some looney tune on Twitter? 

 

Half of the threads in the P&R forum are focused on some Looney Tune on Twitter!:lol:

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27 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

Half of the threads in the P&R forum are focused on some Looney Tune on Twitter!:lol:

Well, they are the official tweets from the president...

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threads about the twitter in chief being looney are ok....threads about random schmucks being looney would take up the entire bandwidth of huskerboard.

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3 minutes ago, commando said:

threads about the twitter in chief being looney are ok....threads about random schmucks being looney would take up the entire bandwidth of huskerboard.

Just cut off Roxy from posting a youtube video every 30 seconds and you can clear some space

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Just now, StPaulHusker said:

Just cut off Roxy from posting a youtube video every 30 seconds and you can clear some space

 

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17 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Wait....I didn't know she was in the Trump administration.

 

Why can't politicians get their facts right when they talk?

Don't take anything I say, or post in here as a defense of the Trump administration. 

 

Politicians bend and twist anything, and everything to fit their narratives. From the Roman Empire, until the end of time.

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58 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

Don't take anything I say, or post in here as a defense of the Trump administration. 

 

Politicians bend and twist anything, and everything to fit their narratives. From the Roman Empire, until the end of time.

 

My comment was more about how (rightfully so) the left has slammed the Trump administration about statements that are similar.  I would have thought someone like her would be more careful.

 

Trying to convince people that the facts really aren't that important......:facepalm:

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58 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

My comment was more about how (rightfully so) the left has slammed the Trump administration about statements that are similar.  I would have thought someone like her would be more careful.

 

Trying to convince people that the facts really aren't that important......:facepalm:

 

Ah, gotcha. 

 

Yeah, as charismatic as she is (and she really is), it can't hide the fact that she seems to be relatively clueless in regard to policy, government spending, etc., especially when you consider the position she was just elected for.... And yes, before anybody points it out, I realize that our bozo President is guilty of the same.

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21 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

We have a few different topics in the P&R forum dedicated to the extremes of the Far-Right, so I thought one dedicated to the absurdities of the opposite end of the spectrum would be fair, and fun.

 

To start this thing off, I really got a kick out of this one. It doesn't appear to be a parody, and from what I can tell, she doesn't work for "The Onion":

 

 

 

What part of this is political?

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15 hours ago, Fru said:

If folks are gonna post these kinds of threads purely for balance sake, could it actually be focused on legislation and policies rather than just some looney tune on Twitter? 

 

The biggest dangers of the extreme left in America are more culturally ideological than legislative. There aren't really any overly far left policies on the table being taken seriously to talk about. 

 

 

5 hours ago, mrandyk said:

What part of this is political?

 

What do you suppose it matters? How are you defining political? 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, as far as critiques of the left, I've been a big fan of Jordan Peterson's work for the last year and a half or so. He's got some crazy ideas I don't share, and I actually just prefer listening to his lecture on psychology rather than his political takes, but I do appreciate his approach and steadfastness towards reason/personal autonomy/freedom of speech, especially in the face of the more hyper progressive crowd thinking that hashtag philosophies and shouting down are actual, substantive elements of moral virtue. Here's a good bit from him IMO:

 

 

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14 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

Yeah, as charismatic as she is (and she really is), it can't hide the fact that she seems to be relatively clueless in regard to policy, government spending, etc., especially when you consider the position she was just elected for....

 

I thought draining the swamp meant bringing in new people with fresh ideas.

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9 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I thought draining the swamp meant bringing in new people with fresh ideas.

Those fresh ideas need to be based on facts and knowledge of the issues. 

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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

Those fresh ideas need to be based on facts and knowledge of the issues. 

 

Do you think, based on her campaign and work up to this point, that she has no knowledge of the issues about which she speaks?

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3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Do you think, based on her campaign and work up to this point, that she has no knowledge of the issues about which she speaks?

I have not listened to her enough to know. I’m commenting on this one statement where she tries to minimize the need to get knowledge of issues right. 

 

I believe her statement is a prime example of what is so wrong with our political discourse. 

 

As as long as you believe your pushing for the “morally” right thing to do, you can throw out lies, half truths or very misleading statements. 

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7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I’m commenting on this one statement where she tries to minimize the need to get knowledge of issues right.

 

We could submarine any politician if we focused on one not-so-well-delivered thought and not their body of work.

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43 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

We could submarine any politician if we focused on one not-so-well-delivered thought and not their body of work.

 

Not submarining anyone.

 

I'm perfectly fine with holding Democrats to the same standard I have tried to hold the Republican administration to over the last two years.....without anyone's complaints here.


If they make stupid statements, I'll point it out.

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

I thought draining the swamp meant bringing in new people with fresh ideas.

 

I'm certainly not against that, and I'm certainly not against bringing youth into the room either. There's a narrative out there that the disdain for her from the right is because she's a young, minority woman. I'm not sure that's fair considering how far Left her political stances are. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

We could submarine any politician if we focused on one not-so-well-delivered thought and not their body of work.

 

This is true, but she does come across a little lost in the interviews I've seen. I think she knows exactly what she wants, and is well versed in what she believes in. Outside of that? I don't know. She confidently said the military received a $700 billion budget increase, when that number is actually their total budget, and went on to say the military didn't ask for it. Which was also untrue. In the same interview she claimed "everyone" is working two jobs, when in reality it's 5% of the working class.

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8 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

I'm certainly not against that, and I'm certainly not against bringing youth into the room either. There's a narrative out there that the disdain for her from the right is because she's a young, minority woman. I'm not sure that's fair considering how far Left her political stances are.  

 

 

I'm sure it's a little of both. She's full of the fire of youth, but she needs tempering with age and experience. I'm not sold on her being the next great thing, nor am I ready to dismiss her yet. She's a political freshman. Lots of growing & maturing to do.

 

10 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

This is true, but she does come across a little lost in the interviews I've seen. I think she knows exactly what she wants, and is well versed in what she believes in. Outside of that? I don't know. She confidently said the military received a $700 billion budget increase, when that number is actually their total budget, and went on to say the military didn't ask for it. Which was also untrue. In the same interview she claimed "everyone" is working two jobs, when in reality it's 5% of the working class. 

 

Pence had as many gaffes or outright lies in his interviews just this morning, and he doesn't have the excuse of being a political naif.

 

Either she's lying or she's misinformed or she's nervous in the service when the cameras are on. 

 

I think it's crazy the amount of time people spend talking about her. I think the burnout on her is going to be pretty rapid. Maybe she'll make another dancing video to keep the news cycle fresh.  :D

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18 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

There's a narrative out there that the disdain for her from the right is because she's a young, minority woman.

 

The problem I have with this statement is the bolded word.  It's the appropriate word.  But, to this point, there is no reason for anyone to have "disdain" for her.  We disagree on issues.  The right is building emotional "disdain" for her to tear her apart.  That's easier to do with their base than to actually discuss issues.

 

Just an example of what's wrong in Washington.

7 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Pence had as many gaffes or outright lies in his interviews just this morning, and he doesn't have the excuse of being a political naif.

 

And, he should be called out for it.

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

We could submarine any politician if we focused on one not-so-well-delivered thought and not their body of work.

This is so true.

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40 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I'm sure it's a little of both. She's full of the fire of youth, but she needs tempering with age and experience. I'm not sold on her being the next great thing, nor am I ready to dismiss her yet. She's a political freshman. Lots of growing & maturing to do.

 

  

Pence had as many gaffes or outright lies in his interviews just this morning, and he doesn't have the excuse of being a political naif.

 

Either she's lying or she's misinformed or she's nervous in the service when the cameras are on. 

 

I think it's crazy the amount of time people spend talking about her. I think the burnout on her is going to be pretty rapid. Maybe she'll make another dancing video to keep the news cycle fresh.  :D

 

I won't come to the defense of Pence, or Trump.

 

 

I thought this Shapiro tweet summed up the dancing video pretty well: ;)

 

 

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I think most reasonable centrists feel about Ben Shapiro the way Ben Shapiro feels about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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38 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 The right is building emotional "disdain" for her to tear her apart.  That's easier to do with their base than to actually discuss issues.

 

 

 

 

This isn't behavior practiced by the right alone. Eating away at vulnerabilities and vulnerable people is nothing new across the entire spectrum of politics, and I have seen plenty of Republicans (both politicians/pundits) take issue with her policy. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I think most reasonable centrists feel about Ben Shapiro the way Ben Shapiro feels about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

 

And he's likely smarter, and more articulate than all of them (even if he does have a  weird voice:P)

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In a thread with this title, ostensibly to talk about how it's not good for leftists to go too left of left, we're going to speak well of Ben Shapiro? 

 

It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.

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15 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

I won't come to the defense of Pence, or Trump.

 

 

I thought this Shapiro tweet summed up the dancing video pretty well: ;)

 

 

Shapiro is extremely disingenuous and no exception in this tweet. The right-wing brought up her dancing video, not the left or the mainstream media.

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14 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Shapiro is extremely disingenuous and no exception in this tweet. The right-wing brought up her dancing video, not the left or the mainstream media.

 

 

I have Shapiro to be pretty sincere when discussing what he believes in. He's no more disingenuous than the next political pundit. I haven't seen any prominent right-winger criticize her for the dancing video. It's entirely possible that I missed it (I don't watch Fox News).

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People may well feel Republicans dislike her for her policies, which is fine, but then what do we make of this?

 

Also, tread lightly. When your response to any policy you don't like is to shout "Socialist!" eventually people are going to stop listening to your warnings. Dems mocked Trump's ideas as ridiculous and unworkable but people still went out and voted on them. IMO AOC's policies have a lot more historical and real-world precedent of actually working than things like travel bans or giant concrete walls.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

 

I have Shapiro to be pretty sincere when discussing what he believes in. He's no more disingenuous than the next political pundit. I haven't seen any prominent right-winger criticize her for the dancing video. It's entirely possible that I missed it (I don't watch Fox News).

Shapiro is getting paid to "own the libs", so it's hard to think he's sincere. Remember he was an editor at Brietbart until 2016.

 

As for the AOC dancing vid, it came from a now-deleted account and got shared a bunch, so you're right that the more prominent right-wing weren't the ones pushing it.

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21 minutes ago, Clifford Franklin said:

People may well feel Republicans dislike her for her policies, which is fine, but then what do we make of this?

 

Also, tread lightly. When your response to any policy you don't like is to shout "Socialist!" eventually people are going to stop listening to your warnings. Dems mocked Trump's ideas as ridiculous and unworkable but people still went out and voted on them. IMO AOC's policies have a lot more historical and real-world precedent of actually working than things like travel bans or giant concrete walls.

 

 

 

 

A 90 year old white guy? Shocking!

 

And speaking of being disingenuous. AOC has an open invitation to have a political debate on Shapiro's show.  It's an opportunity she will never take, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

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3 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Shapiro is getting paid to "own the libs", so it's hard to think he's sincere. Remember he was an editor at Brietbart until 2016.

 

As for the AOC dancing vid, it came from a now-delete account and got shared a bunch, so you're right that the more prominent right-wing weren't the ones pushing it.

 

I'm well aware of his time at Brietbart. What I appreciate about Shapiro is his willingness to go after the right (and more specifically, Trump) without hesitation. He rarely, if ever, has any 'hot takes'. He's pretty darn consistent from what I can tell, and reasonable, at least from where I stand on the political spectrum.

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9 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

And speaking of being disingenuous. AOC has an open invitation to have a political debate on Shapiro's show.  It's an opportunity she will never take, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

Why would she debate Shapiro? That gains her very little and gains Shapiro a lot. Let some of the other politicians debate her in an open forum. No Republican (or establishment Dem for that matter) is going to take that opportunity, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

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6 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Why would she debate Shapiro? That gains her very little and gains Shapiro a lot. Let some of the other politicians debate her in an open forum. No Republican (or establishment Dem for that matter) is going to take that opportunity, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

 

Well, he did offer $10,000 to a charity of her choice. What she would gain has nothing to do with why she would avoid that opportunity. How terrible Shapiro would make her look has everything to do with it. What did she have to gain by going on the Daily Show? She, like most politicians I suppose, stays, and goes where it's safe.

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Why are Conservatives so concerned about a Freshman back-bencher?

 

There's some real head-scratching logic to claim Ben Shapiro would make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez look "terrible" because, apparently, he's more a policy wonk than she is or she's a fraud or ignorant or... whatever that argument is... but at the same time it's so important to Ben Shapiro to have this nobody on his show that he's floating a five-figure donation to charity to entice her there.

 

 

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4 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

And speaking of being disingenuous. AOC has an open invitation to have a political debate on Shapiro's show.  It's an opportunity she will never take, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

 

I would also not debate Shapiro if I was her, or if I was me. It has nothing to do with being disingenuous or not being smart enough or anything like that. Shapiro is seasoned and extremely well-trained in that exact and particular type of thing. She isn't, nor should she be, really. He has all these little tricks and traps and methodologies that are designed to win a debate, not designed to have an open and free conversation about the merits of ideas. They're very different things.

 

 

4 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

How terrible Shapiro would make her look has everything to do with it. 

 

Again, not because she's stupid, or he's some wise sage. He's a master at a particular craft. 

 

 

Anyways, I'd love to not talk about AOC being young and naive and making mistakes or Ben Shapiro being an obnoxious a$$ and would love to talk about legitimate dangers of the hyper or radical left if anyone's interested.

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4 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

Well, he did offer $10,000 to a charity of her choice. What she would gain has nothing to do with why she would avoid that opportunity. How terrible Shapiro would make her look has everything to do with it. What did she have to gain by going on the Daily Show? She, like most politicians I suppose, stays, and goes where it's safe.

 

Why would a politician debate a non-politician?  Shapiro loses all credibility and ability to be respected simply by his ties to Breitbart.  The guy might be brilliant.  But, he's also a master at making up crap and making it sound like it's real....and when he says it....people believe it.

 

He is nothing more than a guy showboating and media mongering with the offer to debate her.  It's stupid and she knows it and she should simply ignore him.

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4 hours ago, knapplc said:

Why are Conservatives so concerned about a Freshman back-bencher?

 

There's some real head-scratching logic to claim Ben Shapiro would make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez look "terrible" because, apparently, he's more a policy wonk than she is or she's a fraud or ignorant or... whatever that argument is... but at the same time it's so important to Ben Shapiro to have this nobody on his show that he's floating a five-figure donation to charity to entice her there.

 

 

 

Who said she's a nobody?  Outside of her policy, and brief habit for fibbery, I've done nothing but compliment her.  And she was just elected to congress! Isn't it her job to be a policy "wonk"?

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2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Why would a politician debate a non-politician?  Shapiro loses all credibility and ability to be respected simply by his ties to Breitbart.  The guy might be brilliant.  But, he's also a master at making up crap and making it sound like it's real....and when he says it....people believe it.

 

He is nothing more than a guy showboating and media mongering with the offer to debate her.  It's stupid and she knows it and she should simply ignore him.

 

- That's not how things work.

 

- *Spin cycle*

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Just now, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

- That's not how things work.

 

- *Spin cycle*

Um....yeah...it actually is how it works.  She's in congress now and she needs to be devoting her time there to learning more about the issues and debating people within that group.  

Shapiro is no more than a gnat that needs swatted away at this point to her or any other politician.  If there's a press conference and he's there to ask questions...fine.  Other than that, any sort of threat to debate him is nothing more than him being a media whore.

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18 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

And she was just elected to congress! Isn't it her job to be a policy "wonk"?

 

Do you believe every elected official needs to be a policy wonk from day one? Because if so, whooooooo boy do we have some discussin' to do about the Republicans.

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