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2 minutes ago, funhusker said:

True.  But so is being over sensitive to it.   You know why kids cry? To get attention or help.  If they don't need help, don't give them the attention.

 

 

I agree. Though, I don't think pointing out the lunacy of this particular story qualifies as being overly sensitive to it.

 

To me, and maybe I'm looking to far into it, it came off as an ultimatum, despite how she worded the end of the article. I don't think it's a stretch to say that she could do significant harm to this person's business if the name of the restaurant was found out. And over what? Coal miners caught on camera after a days work?

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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

OK....I get a little sick and tired of this come back to so many things.

 

Stupidity in an attempt to affect policy or to affect someone else's life should be pointed out and ridiculed.  The people who are complaining about the person complaining about the picture of the coal miners is NOT the problem here.  It's the idiot who is complaining about the picture.  And...it's appropriate to call him that.

Maybe I'm projecting too much, because I did not think the picture was the main point of the article...

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4 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

I agree. Though, I don't think pointing out the lunacy of this particular story qualifies as being overly sensitive to it.

 

To me, and maybe I'm looking to far into it, it came off as an ultimatum, despite how she worded the end of the article. I don't think it's a stretch to say that she could do significant harm to this person's business if the name of the restaurant was found out. And over what? Coal miners caught on camera after a days work?

The author is a black man.  He is a poet and art critic in the Phoenix area.  This "article" was an attempt to illustrate his feelings of his perceived status in Phoenix.  This wasn't some drunk lady at a holiday party throwing a fit.  

 

That's how I see it...

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2 minutes ago, funhusker said:

The author is a black man.  He is a poet and art critic in the Phoenix area.  This "article" was an attempt to illustrate his feelings of his perceived status in Phoenix.  This wasn't some drunk lady at a holiday party throwing a fit.  

 

That's how I see it...

 

 

There has gotta be better examples of this than the one he wrote about. If not, I'd say he's doing just fine in Phoenix.

 

 

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Just now, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

 

There has gotta be better examples of this than the one he wrote about. If not, I'd say he's doing just fine in Phoenix.

 

 

He gave other examples in the article.

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12 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

Yes, I would be surprised if the restaurant suffered consequences for leaving the photo up. .

 

 

I wonder if the restaurant owner was as confident as you when he learned of the article?

 

It's good to see that there is backlash to this nonsense.

 

 

1 minute ago, funhusker said:

He gave other examples in the article.

 

I read it.

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In the same thread we're roasting a guy for trying too hard to find offense to a photo of coal miners, we're trying reeeeally hard to conjure up imminent problems for a restaurant owner.

 

Irony.

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42 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I imagine that's the kind of person who wakes up in the morning and legit thinks, "What can I be offended about today?"

 

That, combined with the increased likelihood that someone in the media, or media-adjacent world, will briefly make you famous. 

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32 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

The MAGA hat kid hired a PR firm and went on TV.

 

Yes, I would be surprised if the restaurant suffered consequences for leaving the photo up. This guy is a wingnut and nobody agrees with his try-too-hard stance on this. Search his name on Twitter. He's getting roasted (and rightly so).

 

I peaked at his twitter earlier.... Good. Lord.

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19 minutes ago, knapplc said:

In the same thread we're roasting a guy for trying too hard to find offense to a photo of coal miners, we're trying reeeeally hard to conjure up imminent problems for a restaurant owner.

 

Irony.

 

I don't think it's that far-fetched. Social media doesn't have a history of ruining people?

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On 1/6/2019 at 9:09 PM, B.B. Hemingway said:

We have a few different topics in the P&R forum dedicated to the extremes of the Far-Right, so I thought one dedicated to the absurdities of the opposite end of the spectrum would be fair, and fun.

 

How is the post above mine an "absurdity" of the Left?

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22 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

How is the post above mine an "absurdity" of the Left?

 

I think it has to do with perhaps she tweeted that she didn't want one dollar for DHS but then is saying it is an outrage that DHS employees haven't received their back pay.

 

I'm sure what was intended was saying not one dollar for the wall but it's not what she tweeted.

 

Just a guess.

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David Pakman gives a dozen or so different ways for government to raise money for progressive ideas (although these could be used for raising money for any idea):

 

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Actor Jussie Smollett to be charged for filing a false police report.

 

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The actor told detectives two men attacked him near the lower entrance of a Loews hotel in Chicago, according to police spokesman Guglielmi. Police were told the two men yelled, " 'Empire' fa***t" and "'Empire' n***er,' " while striking him.


In a supplemental interview with authorities, Smollett confirmed media reports that one of the attackers also shouted, "This is MAGA country," a reference to President Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

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12 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

Actor Jussie Smollett to be charged for filing a false police report.

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

 

We've been discussing that in the Angry Violent Right thread. It never passed the sniff test for most (all) of us.

 

He told the cops he made up the attack to get a better salary on the show.  Dumb.

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19 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

We've been discussing that in the Angry Violent Right thread. It never passed the sniff test for most (all) of us.

 

He told the cops he made up the attack to get a better salary on the show.  Dumb.

I haven't ventured into that thread. I just figured with the things he claimed the attackers said that it was a fair example of the angry violent left so I popped it in here. It certainly is no example of the angry violent right.....but discuss it as you wish. I don't think it's worth much for discussion sake either, just an example. Sad part is that the image of him sobbing about it on the talk show circuit will validate itself to those who are so inclined. Even when they hear it was faked, they'll still believe it happens everyday so it will still be real for many.

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7 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Sad part is that the image of him sobbing about it on the talk show circuit will validate itself to those who are so inclined. Even when they hear it was faked, they'll still believe it happens everyday so it will still be real for many. 

 

I'm not sure what that means. ACTUAL violence against gays, ACTUAL violence against Blacks does happen every day.  And those crimes are on the rise.

 

Nobody believes this guy, and there were lots of open skeptics about it from the first report. He's shamed himself and he's going to get what he deserves. Likely written out of his show and shunned by Hollywood for a while.

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This Jussie Smollett thing is not a "leftist" thing.  It was a money thing.  Using the right as the villain was an easy thing for him to do.

 

What is "leftist" is someone like Kamala Harris, as a presidential candidate,  saying that it was a modern day lynching before seeing things through.

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7 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

This Jussie Smollett thing is not a "leftist" thing.  It was a money thing.  Using the right as the villain was an easy thing for him to do.

 

What is "leftist" is someone like Kamala Harris, as a presidential candidate,  saying that it was a modern day lynching before seeing things through.

 

I don't see where he gets money for it, it seemed like he was playing for sympathy and more face time in front of a camera.  I didn't follow this much, because I don't care about celebrity crap and don't watch TV often, but it really felt like he was really playing it up for sympathy and publicity.  The problem is crazy people like him with schemes like this not only take police resources from actual victims but also make people more likely to disbelieve real victims of hate crimes.  He'll be lumped in with the left because he tried to make it political with the MAGA crap, which gives people something to point to about the left and fake news or fake attacks to draw attention away from actual bad things happening.

 

I hope they throw the book at him.

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1 minute ago, methodical said:

 

I don't see where he gets money for it, it seemed like he was playing for sympathy and more face time in front of a camera.  I didn't follow this much, because I don't care about celebrity crap and don't watch TV often, but it really felt like he was really playing it up for sympathy and publicity.  The problem is crazy people like him with schemes like this not only take police resources from actual victims but also make people more likely to disbelieve real victims of hate crimes.  He'll be lumped in with the left because he tried to make it political with the MAGA crap, which gives people something to point to about the left and fake news or fake attacks to draw attention away from actual bad things happening.

 

I hope they throw the book at him.

 

It has been said he did it because he was unhappy with his salary.  I guess, maybe he thought if he got away with it then it would drive ratings and his popularity which would make him worth more?  It's just a thought.

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1 hour ago, StPaulHusker said:

This Jussie Smollett thing is not a "leftist" thing.  It was a money thing.  Using the right as the villain was an easy thing for him to do.

 

What is "leftist" is someone like Kamala Harris, as a presidential candidate,  saying that it was a modern day lynching before seeing things through.

 

 

There is certainly a leftist component to it. Not violence, but ideology. 

 

Several people, myself included, were shouted down and roundly criticized for even suggesting there might possibly be a chance that even a little bit of the story wasn't quite adding up. To many you just can not doubt the claim and life experience of a, in this case, black and gay man. In the effort to raise and hear marginalized voices, too many have forsaken common sense and using their brain and just immediately jump on board a claim or a narrative. Same with the Covington Catholic situation. 

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3 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

 

There is certainly a leftist component to it. Not violence, but ideology. 

 

Several people, myself included, were shouted down and roundly criticized for even suggesting there might possibly be a chance that even a little bit of the story wasn't quite adding up. To many you just can not doubt the claim and life experience of a, in this case, black and gay man. In the effort to raise and hear marginalized voices, too many have forsaken common sense and using their brain and just immediately jump on board a claim or a narrative. Same with the Covington Catholic situation. 

 

I agree with you.  What I was saying is that what Smollett was doing wasn't a leftist thing.  It was a personal thing disguised as a leftist thing.

 

People who shouted you down, were doing a leftist thing by behaving that way.

 

Does that make sense?  I'm reading it and think it does but it might not to someone else reading it.

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1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

I agree with you.  What I was saying is that what Smollett was doing wasn't a leftist thing.  It was a personal thing disguised as a leftist thing.

 

People who shouted you down, were doing a leftist thing by behaving that way.

 

Does that make sense?  I'm reading it and think it does but it might not to someone else reading it.

Smollett used a leftist thing to try to accomplish a selfish personal thing. 

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7 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Several people, myself included, were shouted down and roundly criticized for even suggesting there might possibly be a chance that even a little bit of the story wasn't quite adding up. To many you just can not doubt the claim and life experience of a, in this case, black and gay man. In the effort to raise and hear marginalized voices, too many have forsaken common sense and using their brain and just immediately jump on board a claim or a narrative. Same with the Covington Catholic situation. 

 

Where did that happen?

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Just now, knapplc said:

 

Where did that happen?

 

 

In person and on twitter, which is really the main home of progressive leftist ideology amongst American citizens imo. 

 

'Shouted down' is hyperbole, btw. 

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5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Smollett used a leftist thing to try to accomplish a selfish personal thing. 

 

I don't think it's fair to classify "I was attacked by nazis" as a "leftist thing."   That's a criminal activity, and the fault of the right-wingers who are doing it.

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4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I don't think it's fair to classify "I was attacked by nazis" as a "leftist thing."   That's a criminal activity, and the fault of the right-wingers who are doing it.

Smollet lied -- why don't we just call it a Trumpy thing???  ;)

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1 hour ago, Landlord said:

 

 

There is certainly a leftist component to it. Not violence, but ideology. 

 

Several people, myself included, were shouted down and roundly criticized for even suggesting there might possibly be a chance that even a little bit of the story wasn't quite adding up. To many you just can not doubt the claim and life experience of a, in this case, black and gay man. In the effort to raise and hear marginalized voices, too many have forsaken common sense and using their brain and just immediately jump on board a claim or a narrative. Same with the Covington Catholic situation. 

 

Very well stated. That is why I felt this thread was as good a place as any to post this.

 

His motive for money and being stupid does not negate the method in which he pulled off this stunt. You can bet it was very calculated that he felt the language used by the would be attackers would be more easily accepted if he threw in some N bombs, gay references and MAGA. The fact many ended up seeing through his plan doesn't remove the leftist nature of it. And it doesn't delete the fact from all minds that a gay black man was attacked by homophobic, racist Trump supporters. If he was just a bit smarter with the execution it would've worked out beautifully.

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8 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

In person and on twitter, which is really the main home of progressive leftist ideology amongst American citizens imo.  

 

'Shouted down' is hyperbole, btw.  

 

I would propose Twitter is a really sh#tty approximation of the real world. Especially political Twitter. Good way to get news, but terrible reflection of its actual impact.

 

Progressives on Twitter and social media in general are toxic as hell and usually not worth wasting any time on. It's an endless suckhole of uncompromising, angry groupthink that immediately tries belligerently attacking and chasing off anyone who disagrees with their notions of purity.

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33 minutes ago, Clifford Franklin said:

I would propose Twitter is a really sh#tty approximation of the real world.

 

If by 'real world', you mean the offline world that doesn't engage with twitter, then yes, agreed. Twitter is a bubble. But it's one of the biggest bubbles in the world/country.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Clifford Franklin said:

but terrible reflection of its actual impact.

 

 

I respectfully disagree here. Way too many people cancelled, doxxed, careers ruined, exposed, etc. via twitter

 

 

33 minutes ago, Clifford Franklin said:

Progressives on Twitter and social media in general are toxic as hell and usually not worth wasting any time on. It's an endless suckhole of uncompromising, angry groupthink that immediately tries belligerently attacking and chasing off anyone who disagrees with their notions of purity.

 

Yep. But those progressives are actually impacting culture and policy. The reckless journalists are pushing news from and to twitter. Living in Chicago for 4 years the amount of people  involved in campaigns, protests, marches, social work, etc. that I know who's ideology is primarily informed by twitter is... a lot. It's way too cavalier to dismiss it as just a silly online thing. It's a tremendously powerful place as far as shaping news and culture and it's pretty damn scary tbh.

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7 minutes ago, Landlord said:

I respectfully disagree here. Way too many people cancelled, doxxed, careers ruined, exposed, etc. via twitter

 

Yep. But those progressives are actually impacting culture and policy. The reckless journalists are pushing news from and to twitter. Living in Chicago for 4 years the amount of people  involved in campaigns, protests, marches, social work, etc. that I know who's ideology is primarily informed by twitter is... a lot. It's way too cavalier to dismiss it as just a silly online thing. It's a tremendously powerful place as far as shaping news and culture and it's pretty damn scary tbh. 

 

#1: That's true. What I meant to say was that political news Twitter is a medium that's great for getting news out quickly, but because it's such a bubble it's often hard to gauge whether breaking news will actually resonate and have impact with the broader nation or whether it just seems like big news inside the bubble because it's breaking. I've fallen into this trap many times myself.

 

The doxxing culture of Twitter and social media in general is terrifying. It's a side effect of social media that we really don't have a good answer for right now.

 

#2: You're probably right. I can't speak to being overly involved in those aspects of Twitter or life in a progressive area in general.

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