Hedley Lamarr Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moiraine said: You don't know that's why he sent it. You really can't imagine having your girlfriend or ex girlfriend have a threesome soon after or at the same time you were with her, and still being hurt by it and sending it back to her as a reminder when she tries to talk to you out of the blue 2 years later after you're successful? And it IS relevant whether he thought it was sexual assault or not. If not, he thought she did it willingly and he sent it directly to her. If he knew it was sexual assault he's a total a$$h@!e. It can easily have been a way to remind her of what she did and tell her to stop talking to him. All of the above is hypothetical, but you don't know what happened. That's the point. as has been mentioned before it still hasnt been tried as a sexual assault etc. It also wouldnt make sense to call her a hoe if he thought she was being raped in the video. 3 Quote Link to comment
Billsantosa Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Cdog923 said: This. The most likely scenario is that he did something stupid and didn't realize that he could get in major trouble for it. This. I think all here would be surprised to know how little these laws are taught in today’s school systems. Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moiraine said: You don't know that's why he sent it. You really can't imagine having your girlfriend or ex girlfriend have a threesome soon after or at the same time you were with her, and still being hurt by it and sending it back to her as a reminder when she tries to talk to you out of the blue 2 years later after you're successful? And it IS relevant whether he thought it was sexual assault or not. If not, he thought she did it willingly and he sent it directly to her. If he knew it was sexual assault he's a total a$$h@!e. It can easily have been a way to remind her of what she did and tell her to stop talking to him. All of the above is hypothetical, but you don't know what happened. That's the point. What I'm saying is that if he sent that, even if he didn't know about the sexual assault part, it's still a terrible act. The fact he might have been acting out of anger or jealousy or whatever might make it more relatable, but it doesn't make it any less atrocious. And I'm deliberately making the hypothetical because I'm pushing back against the notion that it's no big deal even if he did it, which is separate from whether he sent the text or not. 1 minute ago, FearAmeer said: No but it doesn't mean it should be a life-ruining thing. This is not the same thing as actually committing sexual assault, rape, or domestic violence. This was before Mo had good influencers and he should still have a chance to change as a person. There are MANY college athletes who are s#!tty people/were s#!tty people doesn't mean they should be completely removed of any chance in life for being or having been s#!tty Getting kicked off the Husker team is not life ruining. As we've seen over and over, he'll many other chances from other schools. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, RedDenver said: What I'm saying is that if he sent that, even if he didn't know about the sexual assault part, it's still a terrible act. The fact he might have been acting out of anger or jealousy or whatever might make it more relatable, but it doesn't make it any less atrocious. And I'm deliberately making the hypothetical because I'm pushing back against the notion that it's no big deal even if he did it, which is separate from whether he sent the text or not. Getting kicked off the Husker team is not life ruining. As we've seen over and over, he'll many other chances from other schools. what if he pleas it down and just has community service and a fine? Quote Link to comment
FearAmeer Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, RedDenver said: What I'm saying is that if he sent that, even if he didn't know about the sexual assault part, it's still a terrible act. The fact he might have been acting out of anger or jealousy or whatever might make it more relatable, but it doesn't make it any less atrocious. And I'm deliberately making the hypothetical because I'm pushing back against the notion that it's no big deal even if he did it, which is separate from whether he sent the text or not. Getting kicked off the Husker team is not life ruining. As we've seen over and over, he'll many other chances from other schools. What's the point of kicking him off the team then if this issue happened before he was a member of the team and he is going to end up getting other chances anyway? Suspend him for a few games and move on. This really isn't that HUGE of an issue like rape/sexual assault/domestic violence where it screams "kick him off the team" 2 Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, Hedley Lamarr said: what if he pleas it down and just has community service and a fine? What the legal system does is separate from what the team and the university does. Quote Link to comment
The Dude Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, RedDenver said: Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team? Obviously there needs to be a zero tolerance policy in regards to child pornography. Right? Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, FearAmeer said: What's the point of kicking him off the team then if this issue happened before he was a member of the team and he is going to end up getting other chances anyway? Suspend him for a few games and move on. This really isn't that HUGE of an issue like rape/sexual assault/domestic violence where it screams "kick him off the team" he sent a video of his ex having sex to his ex after she reached out once he made it D1....this is all we know at this time. 2 Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, FearAmeer said: What's the point of kicking him off the team then if this issue happened before he was a member of the team and he is going to end up getting other chances anyway? This isn't a good argument as it can be applied to literally anything any player did before he was a member of the team. 1 minute ago, FearAmeer said: Suspend him for a few games and move on. This really isn't that HUGE of an issue like rape/sexual assault/domestic violence where it screams "kick him off the team" Kicking him off the team is what I think the punishment should be if he indeed did it. But suspend him for a few games is what kids that skip class or don't make grades get, so it seems light to me. Quote Link to comment
BIG ERN Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 He kept the video for 2 years and sent it to the girl in the video. I get this still can constitute as 'child porn' but that seems out of context IMO, and ppl are throwing that term around. It's not like he's 45 years old video taping 8 year olds or something. 1 Quote Link to comment
FearAmeer Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Obviously there needs to be a zero tolerance policy in regards to child pornography. Right? Don't know if it matters in regard to law or not but I think he was 17 when he received the video and she was 15. Don't know if that could still count as child porn or if he could claim he just forgot to delete it off his phone once he turned 18 or what quite honestly. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, RedDenver said: This isn't a good argument as it can be applied to literally anything any player did before he was a member of the team. Kicking him off the team is what I think the punishment should be if he indeed did it. But suspend him for a few games is what kids that skip class or don't make grades get, so it seems light to me. or those that drink and drive or smoke pot or use PEDs as well....what he did was petty as hell but we dont know the context of it all 2 Quote Link to comment
Moiraine Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, FearAmeer said: Don't know if it matters in regard to law or not but I think he was 17 when he received the video and she was 15. Don't know if that could still count as child porn or if he could claim he just forgot to delete it off his phone once he turned 18 or what quite honestly. He was 16. I believe he was 15 when they dated. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, Moiraine said: He was 16. I believe he was 15 when they dated. how old was Mo when he sent the video to her? I dont know when his birthday is. Was he even 18 yet? Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, RedDenver said: terrible atrocious These are pretty strong words. Do you think Washington intended to be "terrible" or "atrocious?" Or do you think he reacted in a moment of carelessness and did a bad thing? Quote Link to comment
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