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Just now, knapplc said:

 

That's what it sounds like. And that sounds like a very kid-like thing to do.

 

It's just that, under this relatively new law, it's a crime.

which is why I think this ends up being a fine and community service or probation etc. Nothing serious in my opinion. 

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2 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

He stopped attending their school in Feb 2016 and the video took place in 2016. We really dont know anything other than what the article says which tells us very little as it pertains to what actually happened. 

 

I read the article again and it appears he sent it to her because she reached out to him when she found out he was going D-1. Maybe he viewed it as a "hey you made it whats up how have you been?" and he took it as her being thirsty so he felt it would be the way to "tell her off" ?? 

 

 

That's the way it sounds to me too. Although I'm coming to a conclusion just like the rest of us, without knowing. But if he knew she was raped, it's a really weird reply. The fact she was an ex girlfriend makes it sound way more like a "you cheated on me" or "you're a slut" type of a reply.

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1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

when did the search warrant take place? I must have missed a paragraph in the article 

Once the video was sent to students

 

So basically:

 

The video was taken in 2016

It gets sent to people in the school including Washington

School notifies police

and on and on and on

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1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

You do realize that the Athletic Department just issued a statement about the athletic director based on the hysterics of a message board?  

 

You think they released that statement because of message boards, or because of the news articles that are coming out about it?

 

Occam's Razor, my man.

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1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

You do realize that the Athletic Department just issued a statement about the athletic director based on the hysterics of a message board?  

What's your point here?

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If I see a questionable looking fellow anywhere near a female I typically just shoot him, best to just assume the worst and act irrationally.

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35 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

 

 

 

I would argue with these tweets to say that I would be absolutely shocked if UNL has not already looked into this. A statement such as "we have not had a chance to review the charges" would be accurate since there are no charges yet. A school the size of UNL and a program such as this would not sit on their hands if they had been contacted by the AG's office and the police. Especially for a star athlete. 

 

I work at a school with a relatively small Title IX office where the athletics are bupkis compared to Nebraska, but even so, there is an agreement between the student conduct office and the athletic department to make each other aware of any issues that even remotely have the potential to cause problems. In addition, there are regular meetings between everyone on campus who touches Title IX related issues to be aware of any new situations so they can be addressed. Any rumblings of anything like this, and a lot of mechanisms start running.

 

So let's say in this case they heard something from the AG, or the police, or from a lawyer, but did not have any details and did not even know it had anything to do with sex, a hell of a lot of questions would have been asked in order to get to the bottom of it. At the very least, the university would want to put themselves in a legally defensible position and try to stem off any bad PR, even before trying to protect the athlete or the coach. UNL has a big Title IX office, and a big General Counsel office, and a lot of people whose jobs deal in PR, not to mention the size and influence of the athletic department and football team. I guarantee they have pulled all the stops in addressing this situation long before it came to light this morning. 

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2 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

That's the way it sounds to me too. Although I'm coming to a conclusion just like the rest of us, without knowing. But if he knew she was raped, it's a really weird reply. The fact she was an ex girlfriend makes it sound way more like a "you cheated on me" or "you're a slut" type of a reply.

I think that is exactly what happened because at the time they were both in high school still correct? 

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2 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Once the video was sent to students

 

So basically:

 

The video was taken in 2016

It gets sent to people in the school including Washington

School notifies police

and on and on and on

 

Whenever the video was sent to Washington, he was not at the school. He was already gone by the time the incident happened. When the police got involved, he was nowhere close to it.

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3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

You think they released that statement because of message boards, or because of the news articles that are coming out about it?

 

Occam's Razor, my man.

 

Law of parsimony!

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1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

 

 

I think that is exactly what happened because at the time they were both in high school still correct? 

 

 

I think this was March 2018 that he sent the video back. The video was taken in 2016.

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7 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

I think this was March 2018 that he sent the video back. The video was taken in 2016.

they both would have been in final semester of high school right? Maurice didnt show up to UNL until August 2018 

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Just now, Hedley Lamarr said:

they both would have been in final semester of high school right? Maurice didnt show up to UNL until August 2018 

 

 

She was 15 in the video. I assume she's 17 or 18 now, but that part doesn't matter.

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Just now, Moiraine said:

 

 

She was 15 in the video. I assume she's 17 or 18 now, but that part doesn't matter.

Oh i know it doesnt matter in the context of the actual law but two high school kids is different to me than two adults. I am just glad no high school kids have pics or videos of naked high school kids. 

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6 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Oh i know it doesnt matter in the context of the actual law but two high school kids is different to me than two adults. I am just glad no high school kids have pics or videos of naked high school kids. 

 

 

It's the law that matters.

Although after that is dealt with and if there aren't any charges, what you're saying might matter to Frost/the AD.

 

I do wondering if Washington will be treated more harshly because he was 18 at the time. The other guys were under 18.

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25 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

I wouldn't be so sure the athletic department, and/or Frost come away unscathed here. It's going to be really interesting.

For everything that has happened up to this point....assuming the worst case in StPaul's mind, I'm not sure how someone is "scathed" by this other than looking bad and damaging a reputation.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Not true. Your phone, your responsibility. 

 

Signed, Urban Meyer

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Although she did not report the incident as a rape at the time because she says she felt ashamed, Taylor told NBC Bay Area the video depicts a sexual assault, not a consensual sex act.

 

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“I was just like, ‘Oh my God, everyone thinks I made a sex tape, everyone thinks that I’m some freak who wanted to have sex on video camera and send it to my school,’” Taylor said. “I’m 15 years old, how could you believe that?”

 

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Taylor’s father Brian said the family was trying to move on from the incident, but he supports her speaking out, and said the family is considering whether they will pursue sexual assault charges.

 

 

The above is also from the article linked, and imo makes it pretty unlikely Washington knew of the rape allegation. She didn't make it at the time. It seems even clearer now that to him this was his girlfriend or ex girlfriend at the time having a threesome. i.e. cheating on him or breaking up with him then acting like a "hoe."

 

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13 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

The above is also from the article linked, and imo makes it pretty unlikely Washington knew of the rape allegation. She didn't make it at the time. It seems even clearer now that to him this was his girlfriend or ex girlfriend at the time having a threesome. i.e. cheating on him or breaking up with him then acting like a "hoe."

 

Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team?

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I'm already exhausted reading the premature outrage everywhere and everyone's go-to move of screaming for someone to get fired even for something as little as this. Blows my mind the way people think on reddit/other message boards when no information is even being presented. It's just a bunch of low lives looking for some action and crave seeing people being fired no matter what it's for as long as it's not their program. And no, I was not commenting on any of those threads during Schiano/Urban Meyer/Michigan State scandals etc until actual firings/statements and other actions actually started rolling into place. 

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Just now, RedDenver said:

Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team?

 

Do you have any idea how many guys we'd have to kick off the team for saying rude things to ex girlfriends if we established that line in the sand?

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Just now, knapplc said:

 

Do you have any idea how many guys we'd have to kick off the team for saying rude things to ex girlfriends if we established that line in the sand?

WTF? So saying rude things to ex girlfriends is the same as sending explicit sexual videos of the ex to them?

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Just now, RedDenver said:

Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team?

what did she say to him? How did they break up? Did she cheat on him? There is another side to this story. Is what he did immature? Yes. Was he a high school senior talking to his ex high school girlfriend? yes. I am not saying slut shaming is ok but I think this whole thing is going to make a lot more sense rather soon. 

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Just now, RedDenver said:

Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team?

Yes this does make him a s#!tty person and it may be a stretch but obviously Mo grew up in a very bad background if you have seen his documentaries where he likely had no good influencers whatsoever. This whole incident happened right before he got to UNL so him being under Frost & Co's wing might have changed him as a person. Yeah it's only one year but the culture can change his whole mindset. No, it doesn't mean we should necessarily keep him on the team but I wouldn't be critical of Frost/Staff if they did keep him on the team (obviously people of other fanbases would and would use it as trash talk material for years to come). Lets not forget that Frost got Hughes out of Juco who I'm pretty sure was only in juco because of a domestic violence charge or something like that

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1 minute ago, Sker4Ever said:

So is anyone worried this could potentially have damaging effects on Scott Frost being our head coach?

not at all

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Just now, Sker4Ever said:

So is anyone worried this could potentially have damaging effects on Scott Frost being our head coach?

 

Yes, some people are worried about that.

 

Just like when Mike Riley got fired after that incident at Tommy Armstrong's house, or when John Cook got fired when Lauren was involved in that hit and run or when No got fired after Suh heroically swerved to avoid hitting that dog.

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2 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

what did she say to him? How did they break up? Did she cheat on him? There is another side to this story. Is what he did immature? Yes. Was he a high school senior talking to his ex high school girlfriend? yes. I am not saying slut shaming is ok but I think this whole thing is going to make a lot more sense rather soon. 

There's nothing she could have said to him that warranted the kind of response that involves revenge porn.

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1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

what did she say to him? How did they break up? Did she cheat on him? There is another side to this story. Is what he did immature? Yes. Was he a high school senior talking to his ex high school girlfriend? yes. I am not saying slut shaming is ok but I think this whole thing is going to make a lot more sense rather soon. 

Agreed. It's annoying seeing so many people just ignoring context just for the sake of wanting to see an athletic program go up in flames (talking about reddit). Obviously what he did was really s#!tty but it shouldn't mean he doesn't deserve a second change/get his life ruined over it. Obviously I'm assuming he didn't know the video was rape/sexual assault and thought it was just consensual. He obviously felt like the girl was only texting him because now he is "famous" in a way and wanted to remind her why he still has ill feelings towards her. That's my guess atleast 

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2 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

WTF? So saying rude things to ex girlfriends is the same as sending explicit sexual videos of the ex to them?

 

If he didn't think it was an assault, and thought she consented, then he's just (stupidly, wrongly, ignorantly) trying to hurt her by being mean. It's not greatly different to just call her a whore. He just put what he perceived to be an exclamation on it.

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8 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team?

 

 

You don't know that's why he sent it. You really can't imagine having your girlfriend or ex girlfriend have a threesome soon after or at the same time you were with her, and still being hurt by it and sending it back to her as a reminder when she tries to talk to you out of the blue 2 years later after you're successful?

 

And it IS relevant whether he thought it was sexual assault or not. If not, he thought she did it willingly and he sent it directly to her. If he knew it was sexual assault he's a total a$$h@!e. It can easily have been a way to remind her of what she did and tell her to stop talking to him.

All of the above is hypothetical, but you don't know what happened. That's the point.

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Just now, RedDenver said:

There's nothing she could have said to him that warranted the kind of response that involves revenge porn.

No but it doesn't mean it should be a life-ruining thing. This is not the same thing as actually committing sexual assault, rape, or domestic violence. This was before Mo had good influencers and he should still have a chance to change as a person. There are MANY college athletes who are s#!tty people/were s#!tty people doesn't mean they should be completely removed of any chance in life for being or having been s#!tty

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Just now, knapplc said:

 

If he didn't think it was an assault, and thought she consented, then he's just (stupidly, wrongly, ignorantly) trying to hurt her by being mean. It's not greatly different to just call her a whore. He just put what he perceived to be an exclamation on it.

Then we're going to have to greatly disagree.

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3 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

You don't know that's why he sent it. You really can't imagine having your girlfriend or ex girlfriend have a threesome soon after or at the same time you were with her, and still being hurt by it and sending it back to her as a reminder when she tries to talk to you out of the blue 2 years later after you're successful?

 

And it IS relevant whether he thought it was sexual assault or not. If not, he thought she did it willingly and he sent it directly to her. If he knew it was sexual assault he's a total a$$h@!e. It can easily have been a way to remind her of what she did and tell her to stop talking to him.

All of the above is hypothetical, but you don't know what happened. That's the point.

as has been mentioned before it still hasnt been tried as a sexual assault etc. It also wouldnt make sense to call her a hoe if he thought she was being raped in the video. 

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2 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

This. The most likely scenario is that he did something stupid and didn't realize that he could get in major trouble for it. 

This. I think all here would be surprised to know how little these laws are taught in today’s school systems.

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1 minute ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

You don't know that's why he sent it. You really can't imagine having your girlfriend or ex girlfriend have a threesome soon after or at the same time you were with her, and still being hurt by it and sending it back to her as a reminder when she tries to talk to you out of the blue 2 years later after you're successful?

 

And it IS relevant whether he thought it was sexual assault or not. If not, he thought she did it willingly and he sent it directly to her. If he knew it was sexual assault he's a total a$$h@!e. It can easily have been a way to remind her of what she did and tell her to stop talking to him.

All of the above is hypothetical, but you don't know what happened. That's the point.

What I'm saying is that if he sent that, even if he didn't know about the sexual assault part, it's still a terrible act. The fact he might have been acting out of anger or jealousy or whatever might make it more relatable, but it doesn't make it any less atrocious. And I'm deliberately making the hypothetical because I'm pushing back against the notion that it's no big deal even if he did it, which is separate from whether he sent the text or not.

 

1 minute ago, FearAmeer said:

No but it doesn't mean it should be a life-ruining thing. This is not the same thing as actually committing sexual assault, rape, or domestic violence. This was before Mo had good influencers and he should still have a chance to change as a person. There are MANY college athletes who are s#!tty people/were s#!tty people doesn't mean they should be completely removed of any chance in life for being or having been s#!tty

Getting kicked off the Husker team is not life ruining. As we've seen over and over, he'll many other chances from other schools.

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1 minute ago, RedDenver said:

What I'm saying is that if he sent that, even if he didn't know about the sexual assault part, it's still a terrible act. The fact he might have been acting out of anger or jealousy or whatever might make it more relatable, but it doesn't make it any less atrocious. And I'm deliberately making the hypothetical because I'm pushing back against the notion that it's no big deal even if he did it, which is separate from whether he sent the text or not.

 

Getting kicked off the Husker team is not life ruining. As we've seen over and over, he'll many other chances from other schools.

what if he pleas it down and just has community service and a fine? 

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1 minute ago, RedDenver said:

What I'm saying is that if he sent that, even if he didn't know about the sexual assault part, it's still a terrible act. The fact he might have been acting out of anger or jealousy or whatever might make it more relatable, but it doesn't make it any less atrocious. And I'm deliberately making the hypothetical because I'm pushing back against the notion that it's no big deal even if he did it, which is separate from whether he sent the text or not.

 

Getting kicked off the Husker team is not life ruining. As we've seen over and over, he'll many other chances from other schools.

 

What's the point of kicking him off the team then if this issue happened before he was a member of the team and he is going to end up getting other chances anyway? Suspend him for a few games and move on. This really isn't that HUGE of an issue like rape/sexual assault/domestic violence where it screams "kick him off the team"

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Just now, Hedley Lamarr said:

what if he pleas it down and just has community service and a fine? 

What the legal system does is separate from what the team and the university does.

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18 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Forget the rape or sexual assault or legal aspects for a moment. If Mo sent the text, then he sent a sex video in order to humiliate this girl. Is that not enough for him to be kicked off the team?

 

Obviously there needs to be a zero tolerance policy in regards to child pornography.  

 

Right?

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Just now, FearAmeer said:

 

What's the point of kicking him off the team then if this issue happened before he was a member of the team and he is going to end up getting other chances anyway? Suspend him for a few games and move on. This really isn't that HUGE of an issue like rape/sexual assault/domestic violence where it screams "kick him off the team"

he sent a video of his ex having sex to his ex after she reached out once he made it D1....this is all we know at this time. 

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1 minute ago, FearAmeer said:

 

What's the point of kicking him off the team then if this issue happened before he was a member of the team and he is going to end up getting other chances anyway?

This isn't a good argument as it can be applied to literally anything any player did before he was a member of the team.

1 minute ago, FearAmeer said:

 

Suspend him for a few games and move on. This really isn't that HUGE of an issue like rape/sexual assault/domestic violence where it screams "kick him off the team"

Kicking him off the team is what I think the punishment should be if he indeed did it. But suspend him for a few games is what kids that skip class or don't make grades get, so it seems light to me.

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He kept the video for 2 years and sent it to the girl in the video. I get this still can constitute as 'child porn' but that seems out of context IMO, and ppl are throwing that term around. It's not like he's 45 years old video taping 8 year olds or something. 

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2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

 

Obviously there needs to be a zero tolerance policy in regards to child pornography.  

 

Right?

Don't know if it matters in regard to law or not but I think he was 17 when he received the video and she was 15. Don't know if that could still count as child porn or if he could claim he just forgot to delete it off his phone once he turned 18 or what quite honestly. 

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Just now, RedDenver said:

This isn't a good argument as it can be applied to literally anything any player did before he was a member of the team.

Kicking him off the team is what I think the punishment should be if he indeed did it. But suspend him for a few games is what kids that skip class or don't make grades get, so it seems light to me.

or those that drink and drive or smoke pot or use PEDs as well....what he did was petty as hell but we dont know the context of it all 

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1 minute ago, FearAmeer said:

Don't know if it matters in regard to law or not but I think he was 17 when he received the video and she was 15. Don't know if that could still count as child porn or if he could claim he just forgot to delete it off his phone once he turned 18 or what quite honestly. 

 

 

He was 16. I believe he was 15 when they dated.

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Just now, Moiraine said:

 

 

He was 16. I believe he was 15 when they dated.

how old was Mo when he sent the video to her? I dont know when his birthday is. Was he even 18 yet? 

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8 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

 terrible

 

atrocious

 

These are pretty strong words. Do you think Washington intended to be "terrible" or "atrocious?" Or do you think he reacted in a moment of carelessness and did a bad thing?

 

 

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