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I've posted here for a couple days now, and see absolute no one with any diversity of political ideology here.  Please are there any common sense MAGA conservatives here?  Come out of hiding and show your face!  Yesterday I said it looks like a one pony show here and a poster said no it isn't.  The only think I've seen is to what degree of liberal people are.  There isn't even a middle of the road person that I've seen.  I will say that you people are polite and I appreciate that. Also I think that people sincerely mean the best from their view point.

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not everyone who dislikes trump is a liberal...unless you are looking through extreme alt right glasses.  and to be honest judging from the sights you say you get your news from and what you post here....you are looking through some very far right wing glasses.   

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You know how when people say "LOL" online, they are just saying that and not really laughing out loud. Well, seeing this thread title from this guy literally made me LOL. So thanks for that this morning. Then reading the phrase "common sense MAGA conservative" really blew my mind.

 

However, if you are seriously interested in reasonable discussion, can you start by answering a few questions yourself?

1. What does "Make America Great Again" mean to you?

2. What values do conservatives and/or the Republican party currently stand for?

3. What are some of your personal values?

4. Since you used the word "diversity" here, what does that word mean to you - not only in terms of political thought, as well as cultural, ethnic, racial, socio-economic (etc) diversity?

 

For decades, conservatives and Republicans stood for (or at least claimed to stand for) fiscal responsibility, family values, and personal accountability. Trump's brand of politics does not embody any of those values, and when the party allowed Trump to walk right in and take over, most conservative politicians stopped even pretending to care about those values. Trump supporters are hitching their wagon to a racist, a narcissist, a compulsive liar, a philanderer, and if not a proven criminal himself, at least someone who surrounds himself with criminals and corruption. He eschews the advice of experts, he eschews science, he eschews all traditional decorum and dignity, he throws tantrums on social media, he mocks and belittles anyone who does not identify with him. What about that comes across as common sense or conservative?

 

Nothing that I've said here has anything to do with actual conservative policy, either. There is plenty of room for policy discussion among reasonable people who disagree. And a lot of that has happened on this board. But most of us, including the conservatives on this board who actively participate, realize that this president is a dangerous lunatic. It would be nice to get back to actual conservatives who want to address real issues in a civilized way, but Trump and his supporters have changed the nature of discourse.

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40 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I've posted here for a couple days now, and see absolute no one with any diversity of political ideology here.  Please are there any common sense MAGA conservatives here?  Come out of hiding and show your face!  Yesterday I said it looks like a one pony show here and a poster said no it isn't.  The only think I've seen is to what degree of liberal people are.  There isn't even a middle of the road person that I've seen.  I will say that you people are polite and I appreciate that. Also I think that people sincerely mean the best from their view point.

This might be your problem.  I don't have any stats to back this up, just an anecdote.  But my Dad lives in Pierce County, one of the strongest Trump supporting counties in the 2016 election in nation.  When he goes to coffee in the morning the guys, who proudly voted for Trump, no longer want to talk about national news.  Why?  Because they freely admit they voted for Trump as a vote against Clinton.  They don't like the guy, they think he's a clown.  He's just better than the alternative.

 

Now these same people want border security.  They want anti-abortion legislation.  They want lower taxes.  They want a fiscally responsible government.  And a few are openly against Muslims, LGBT, and any other non-white non-Christian.  They all hate "liberals". And most importantly they want life the way it was back in 1960 when they were kids and everything was groovy and the family farms were enough to support their families.  But they also have given up on Trump getting them that.  But they'll vote for him again because he's Republican.

 

Like I said, a very small snippet, but I have not seen a person with reasonable political beliefs be a HUGE Trump supporter.  I'm sure they exist, maybe you'll prove to be one.

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MN you need to actually think about what you're reading here.  There are actually very few liberals (I am one).  There are conservatives (some quite so) and a lot of independent thinkers. I think you've gotten so caught up in catch phrases and debate and blindly defending the current man in the White House that you're missing the trees through the forest.

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And, I hope you stay on P&R.  We appreciate the dialogue, all of us even when (and it's often) that we disagree.  The best advice I can offer is to ask questions, ask for clarity rather than swinging back and try to understand.  Its what we all try to do and it's taught me a ton and changed my views on some things, but certainly given me more perspective on why someone votes the way they do.

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I'll just lay my political beliefs out there in a nutshell:

 

1. Taxes:  of course I want to pay less, we all do.  But I realize taxes are necessary to fund important programs, therefore I want them spent in the most efficient way possible.  I don't believe "charity" would ever be enough to cover the programs that help make America what it is.

 

2. Education:  As a public school teacher, I'm a proud supporter of public schools.  However, like everything it isn't perfect and should strive for constant improvement.  I'm also ok with people sending kids to private schools as long as it isn't on tax payer money (see #1).

 

3. Abortion:  I want to see it go away.  It is a sad and tragic thing for any person to go through.  But as a father who potentially had to face a decision about my wife's high risk pregnancy, I understand that when hard decisions need to be made to save lives of mothers and babies, the govt should have no role in those discussions.  Only doctors, parents, and clergy if wanted.  I believe programs that lower unwanted programs should be utilized around the country to lower abortions.  I have no problem with the laws that say "optional" abortions are illegal after the 1st trimester.

 

4. Immigration:  I want secure borders.  I believe investing in technology and equipment is the way to go.  Yes, walls/fencing are needed in areas of high traffic.  But there are better things to spend money on than one continuous wall.  I think it should be easier for high-skilled immigrants to gain citizenship and low skilled workers to get a seasonal work visa.  I also believe companies should be punished more than the workers when hiring undocumented immigrants.  I'm also for the DREAM act that allows people brought as children, that don't have a criminal past, and are pursuing college and careers to stay.

 

5. Healthcare:  This one is tricky.  "Who knew it would be this complicated?" ;)  But I'm not for the status quo.  There is no humane reason that people should have to choose between paying the mortgage or life saving medicine.

 

6. Environment:   I believe climate change is happening and humans are a significant part of that.  Policies surrounding energy, construction, manufacturing, and conservation should be aware of the impacts on the environment.  Now it would be awesome if every individual could be responsible and make good choices, but that isn't how the world works.  Sadly, we need regulations to reign in both laziness and greed.

 

7. Religion: I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their religious beliefs.  I feel they should be able to assemble and pray and live life without the worry of judgement.  I also strongly feel this means religions outside of Christianity also.

 

7. Government:  In general I don't see the govt as "bad".  I see bad people we elected to our govt.  I'm a strong believer in Lincoln's words: "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people...."  I, like many others, see the the government as a reflection of the American people.  When I pay taxes, I don't see it as paying a third party; I see it as chipping in to pay for my part of society.  When my government wants to exclude people because of religious beliefs or sexual orientation, I take it personal because that is "MY" government.  I want to live in a nice community, in a nice state, in a nice nation; that takes a concerted effort of people working together to raise and spend funds in a responsible way and creating an environment were people can grow and be successful if they put in the effort.

 

Overall, I'd say I'm a right leaning Democrat. Although I am a registered Republican.  My wife, however, jokes that she is going to buy me a MAGA hat when we talk politics: she's much further left than I am :thumbs

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You know folks a read from many many sources and base my opinion of what they write and report on their track record of accuracy.  How many times have many of the MSM (ie: CNN, MSMBC, NY Times, Washington Post, CBS and ABC come out hard on the liberal lean of a story, but then have to walk back their story.  The Covington kid's incident is a prime example.  Now many of those so called news agencies are face huge law suits for libel now that they were wrong.  It seems the news agencies are not creditable.  Look at Dan Rather lying about George Bush's National Guard Records.  These are just two stories but there are many many more. The MSM is so bought and paid for by big businesses, individuals ie: George Soros the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and anyone that believes in the New World Order.  You can laugh at me all you want, but your head is in the sand on a lot of real things that are happening.  Have you ever heard of the term Uni-Party. Read this little article for a better explanation!   http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/  Do you really think that the Democrat Party has YOUR best interest at heart? Get outside your little echo chamber here on this site and do YOUR OWN open research without regard for your past feelings on things.  That's what I did many years ago, when I was disenfranchised by Bill Clinton and having to explain to our daughter what was going on with him and the intern in the Oval Office.  These politicians (from both sides) are sick for power and have very little regard for us common people who pay the taxes.  You wonder why I like Donald Trump?  Well his is the first politician besides Ronald Reagan that really gives and dam about the people. Is he perfect, NO!  I have been looking for a person like him to vote for the last 20 years.  Someone that stands up to the lying MSM and isn't afraid to take on the Uniparty (Democrats and Rhino Republicans) head on.  They hate him simply because he has exposed who they are.  We on the right have always known that the Democrats want socialism and have led us there for generations.  Now with Donald Trump they are out of the closet only because he has force them out.  I have wanted this for years.  Transparency that never was is now here.

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I'm pretty darned conservative but I can tell you that common sense MAGA conservatives is an oxymoron. There's a reason you don't see MAGA conservatives exhibiting any common sense. I'm more of a fiscal conservative and it doesn't seem like there has been one politician, repub or Dem, that falls in the category for quite some time. I've transformed from conservative Republican to can't stand our political system.

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@Ulty & @funhusker  said it very well.  Everyone on here knows I'm a Reagan conservative.  And let me borrow a famous line - I knew Ronald Reagan (my undergrad was in Amer History, specializing in Presidential history - so when I say I knew Reagan - I've probably have read and study more about Reagan than anyone on this board, and I was 25 years old when he took office - so I saw his profound positive affect on the country - compare 1960-1979 to 1989 and after), I served with Reagan (election worker), and Trump is no Reagan.   The OP mentions the need for MAGA Conservatives to come forward.  I say they do not exist.  Someone who holds true MAGA political positions cannot hold true conservative positions - they cannot co-exist - if you really understand what being a conservative is  - It is grounded in the individual rights, liberty,  and personal honor  of each man, woman and child regardless of race, religion or any other 'identifier'  --Let the liberals use 'identity politics' - but there is NO room for it in conservative policy.  The true conservative values the immigrant who comes to make this country greater and doesn't coward in fear because that immigrant is different.  The conservative doesn't speak badly of fellow citizens from the WH.  Being a loud mouth, name calling president is no substitute for being a person of substance and understanding policy and conservative principles.  So when the OP  says "common sense MAGA conservatives"  - the premise is wrong from the very beginning.    As I mentioned to you in another post - read my Cult of Trump thread and how the Trump movement is really a cult of personality movement - it isn't conservative because at his core - Trump is not a conservative and I cringe when those 2 are tied together.   He may have co-opted the GOP and adopted conservative language to get elected but at his core Trump is nothing more than a Narcissist - using whatever he can to promote himself and that also means using every derogatory comment (like those aimed at John McCain) in a false believe that by doing so will make his star shine brighter.   

As someone said "Blowing out another person's candle doesn't make yours burn any brighter." 

 

As I mentioned directly to the MN before - I once was in his shoes.  I ate talk radio and hard right news 24/7 - and I became a tense, stressed out and angry person.  And I was wrong.  The labels we give each other to differentiate ourselves only divide.  For the most part  liberals and conservatives all want the same thing - a great country, a just country, a country that honors the rights of all individuals, and a country that helps the needy and enables the diligent to succeed.  We  just have different ways of getting there.  Instead of shouting at each other wt our differences we could be listening to each other and coming up with broad base solutions that help everyone. 

 

Are there broad based MAGA conservatives on HB - no they don't exist.  Are there conservatives on HB - yes many.  Many of us are in the mode of Reagan and not of the imposture Trump.

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10 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

You know folks a read from many many sources and base my opinion of what they write and report on their track record of accuracy.  How many times have many of the MSM (ie: CNN, MSMBC, NY Times, Washington Post, CBS and ABC come out hard on the liberal lean of a story, but then have to walk back their story.  The Covington kid's incident is a prime example.  Now many of those so called news agencies are face huge law suits for libel now that they were wrong.  It seems the news agencies are not creditable.  Look at Dan Rather lying about George Bush's National Guard Records.  These are just two stories but there are many many more. The MSM is so bought and paid for by big businesses, individuals ie: George Soros the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and anyone that believes in the New World Order.  You can laugh at me all you want, but your head is in the sand on a lot of real things that are happening.  Have you ever heard of the term Uni-Party. Read this little article for a better explanation!   http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/  Do you really think that the Democrat Party has YOUR best interest at heart? Get outside your little echo chamber here on this site and do YOUR OWN open research without regard for your past feelings on things.  That's what I did many years ago, when I was disenfranchised by Bill Clinton and having to explain to our daughter what was going on with him and the intern in the Oval Office.  These politicians (from both sides) are sick for power and have very little regard for us common people who pay the taxes.  You wonder why I like Donald Trump?  Well his is the first politician besides Ronald Reagan that really gives and dam about the people. Is he perfect, NO!  I have been looking for a person like him to vote for the last 20 years.  Someone that stands up to the lying MSM and isn't afraid to take on the Uniparty (Democrats and Rhino Republicans) head on.  They hate him simply because he has exposed who they are.  We on the right have always known that the Democrats want socialism and have led us there for generations.  Now with Donald Trump they are out of the closet only because he has force them out.  I have wanted this for years.  Transparency that never was is now here.

:dunno:lol:  I'm curious, If that was the deal breaker twenty years ago, how on Earth are you not disenfranchised by Trump over the last 30 years?

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12 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

I'm pretty darned conservative but I can tell you that common sense MAGA conservatives is an oxymoron. There's a reason you don't see MAGA conservatives exhibiting any common sense. I'm more of a fiscal conservative and it doesn't seem like there has been one politician, repub or Dem, that falls in the category for quite some time. I've transformed from conservative Republican to can't stand our political system.

I agree - as I noted also  MAGA conservatives can't exist.  Either MAGA or a true conservative. 

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5 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

@Ulty & @funhusker  said it very well.  Everyone on here knows I'm a Reagan conservative.  And let me borrow a famous line - I knew Ronald Reagan (my undergrad was in Amer History, specializing in Presidential history - so when I say I knew Reagan - I've probably have read and study more about Reagan than anyone on this board, and I was 25 years old when he took office - so I saw his profound positive affect on the country - compare 1960-1979 to 1989 and after), I served with Reagan (election worker), and Trump is no Reagan.   The OP mentions the need for MAGA Conservatives to come forward.  I say they do not exist.  Someone who holds true MAGA political positions cannot hold true conservative positions - they cannot co-exist - if you really understand what being a conservative is  - It is grounded in the individual rights, liberty,  and personal honor  of each man, woman and child regardless of race, religion or any other 'identifier'.  The true conservative values the immigrant who comes to make this country greater and doesn't coward in fear because that immigrant is different.  The conservative doesn't speak badly of fellow citizens from the WH.  Being a loud mouth, name calling president is no substitute for being a person of substance and understanding policy and conservative principles.  So when the OP  says "sense MAGA conservatives"  - the premise is wrong from the very beginning.    As I mentioned to you in another post - read my Cult of Trump thread and how the Trump movement is really a cult of personality movement - it isn't conservative because at his core - Trump is not a conservative and I cringe when those 2 are tied together.   He may have co-opted the GOP and adopted conservative language to get elected but at his core Trump is nothing more than a Narcissist - using whatever he can to promote himself and that also means using every derogatory comment (like those aimed at John McCain) in a false believe that by doing so will make his star shine brighter.   As someone said

As someone said "Blowing out another person's candle doesn't make yours burn any brighter." 

 

As I mentioned directly to the MN before - I once was in his shoes.  I ate talk radio and hard right news 24/7 - and I became a tense, stressed out and angry person.  And I was wrong.  The labels we give each other to differentiate ourselves only divide.  For the most part  liberals and conservatives all want the same thing - a great country, a just country, a country that honors the rights of all individuals, and a country that helps the needy and enables the diligent to succeed.  We  just have different ways of getting there.  Instead of shouting at each other wt our differences we could be listening to each other and coming up with broad base solutions that help everyone. 

 

Are there broad based MAGA conservatives on HB - no they don't exist.  Are there conservatives on HB - yes many.  Many of us are in the model of Reagan and not of the imposture Trump.

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20 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

You know folks a read from many many sources and base my opinion of what they write and report on their track record of accuracy.  How many times have many of the MSM (ie: CNN, MSMBC, NY Times, Washington Post, CBS and ABC come out hard on the liberal lean of a story, but then have to walk back their story.  The Covington kid's incident is a prime example.  Now many of those so called news agencies are face huge law suits for libel now that they were wrong.  It seems the news agencies are not creditable.  Look at Dan Rather lying about George Bush's National Guard Records.  These are just two stories but there are many many more. The MSM is so bought and paid for by big businesses, individuals ie: George Soros the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and anyone that believes in the New World Order.  You can laugh at me all you want, but your head is in the sand on a lot of real things that are happening.  Have you ever heard of the term Uni-Party. Read this little article for a better explanation!   http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/  Do you really think that the Democrat Party has YOUR best interest at heart? Get outside your little echo chamber here on this site and do YOUR OWN open research without regard for your past feelings on things.  That's what I did many years ago, when I was disenfranchised by Bill Clinton and having to explain to our daughter what was going on with him and the intern in the Oval Office.  These politicians (from both sides) are sick for power and have very little regard for us common people who pay the taxes.  You wonder why I like Donald Trump?  Well his is the first politician besides Ronald Reagan that really gives and dam about the people. Is he perfect, NO!  I have been looking for a person like him to vote for the last 20 years.  Someone that stands up to the lying MSM and isn't afraid to take on the Uniparty (Democrats and Rhino Republicans) head on.  They hate him simply because he has exposed who they are.  We on the right have always known that the Democrats want socialism and have led us there for generations.  Now with Donald Trump they are out of the closet only because he has force them out.  I have wanted this for years.  Transparency that never was is now here.

 

Donald Trump cares about you and me? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabahaha.

 

How so? When he tried to kick 16 million people off healthcare insurance? When hea trying to cut medicare by $845 billion? Medicaid by $1.5 trillion? Screwing over college students by increasing their already record high debt? Giving a $2 trillion dollar tax break to the ultra wealthy and corporations? Screwing over farmers with his trade wars and tariffs? Alienating every ally we have in this world and cozying up with dictators? The newest one being Brazil. What one of these policies shows that DJT gives a damn about anyone but himself or his interests?

 

Nevermind dont answer. I already know the answer will be “the wall” or something related. 

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30 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I'll just lay my political beliefs out there in a nutshell:

 

1. Taxes:  of course I want to pay less, we all do.  But I realize taxes are necessary to fund important programs, therefore I want them spent in the most efficient way possible.  I don't believe "charity" would ever be enough to cover the programs that help make America what it is.

 

2. Education:  As a public school teacher, I'm a proud supporter of public schools.  However, like everything it isn't perfect and should strive for constant improvement.  I'm also ok with people sending kids to private schools as long as it isn't on tax payer money (see #1).

 

3. Abortion:  I want to see it go away.  It is a sad and tragic thing for any person to go through.  But as a father who potentially had to face a decision about my wife's high risk pregnancy, I understand that when hard decisions need to be made to save lives of mothers and babies, the govt should have no role in those discussions.  Only doctors, parents, and clergy if wanted.  I believe programs that lower unwanted programs should be utilized around the country to lower abortions.  I have no problem with the laws that say "optional" abortions are illegal after the 1st trimester.

 

4. Immigration:  I want secure borders.  I believe investing in technology and equipment is the way to go.  Yes, walls/fencing are needed in areas of high traffic.  But there are better things to spend money on than one continuous wall.  I think it should be easier for high-skilled immigrants to gain citizenship and low skilled workers to get a seasonal work visa.  I also believe companies should be punished more than the workers when hiring undocumented immigrants.  I'm also for the DREAM act that allows people brought as children, that don't have a criminal past, and are pursuing college and careers to stay.

 

5. Healthcare:  This one is tricky.  "Who knew it would be this complicated?" ;)  But I'm not for the status quo.  There is no humane reason that people should have to choose between paying the mortgage or life saving medicine.

 

6. Environment:   I believe climate change is happening and humans are a significant part of that.  Policies surrounding energy, construction, manufacturing, and conservation should be aware of the impacts on the environment.  Now it would be awesome if every individual could be responsible and make good choices, but that isn't how the world works.  Sadly, we need regulations to reign in both laziness and greed.

 

7. Religion: I don't think anyone should be persecuted for their religious beliefs.  I feel they should be able to assemble and pray and live life without the worry of judgement.  I also strongly feel this means religions outside of Christianity also.

 

7. Government:  In general I don't see the govt as "bad".  I see bad people we elected to our govt.  I'm a strong believer in Lincoln's words: "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people...."  I, like many others, see the the government as a reflection of the American people.  When I pay taxes, I don't see it as paying a third party; I see it as chipping in to pay for my part of society.  When my government wants to exclude people because of religious beliefs or sexual orientation, I take it personal because that is "MY" government.  I want to live in a nice community, in a nice state, in a nice nation; that takes a concerted effort of people working together to raise and spend funds in a responsible way and creating an environment were people can grow and be successful if they put in the effort.

 

Overall, I'd say I'm a right leaning Democrat. Although I am a registered Republican.  My wife, however, jokes that she is going to buy me a MAGA hat when we talk politics: she's much further left than I am :thumbs

Excellent write-up.  You are not far off of my beliefs believe or not.  On government in general your spot on, but there are un-elected people in government that work each and every day to do nothing but support the existence of their position.  I know social workers in our county that will send a bus ticket (bought on their own dime) to an out of state resident to relocate said person so they have another welfare client to counsel.  People like this are out their, but in general by far most government workers are great.  I say your more conservative than you give yourself credit for.:thumbs

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1 minute ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

Excellent write-up.  You are not far off of my beliefs believe or not.  On government in general your spot on, but there are un-elected people in government that work each and every day to do nothing but support the existence of their position.  I know social workers in our county that will send a bus ticket (bought on their own dime) to an out of state resident to relocate said person so they have another welfare client to counsel.  People like this are out their, but in general by far most government workers are great.  I say your more conservative than you give yourself credit for.:thumbs

And there are many people on this site that are openly much more conservative than I am.  Like it has been suggested before, tone down the rhetoric and just talk on issues case-by-case.  Support it with facts.  You can use your "Conservative Tree House", but don't be angry when people ask for the points to be verified.  It is a very reasonable forum.  But I freely admit, it rejects crazy in a very entertaining way!

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4 minutes ago, funhusker said:

And there are many people on this site that are openly much more conservative than I am.  Like it has been suggested before, tone down the rhetoric and just talk on issues case-by-case.  Support it with facts.  You can use your "Conservative Tree House", but don't be angry when people ask for the points to be verified.  It is a very reasonable forum.  But I freely admit, it rejects crazy in a very entertaining way!

The same is true of the very liberal -    Right now Trump is the president - so he is getting the hard review - if we had an alt-left president, the same hard look would be happening here on HB.

This is part of the reason I started the new thread on New Dem policies - the Good, Bad, Ugly.   With Dems having control of the house - MN and others should find plenty of issues to pick up and debate. 

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18 minutes ago, funhusker said:

:dunno:lol:  I'm curious, If that was the deal breaker twenty years ago, how on Earth are you not disenfranchised by Trump over the last 30 years?

I have know who Trump is and give him a pass at this point simply because he has pledged to drain the swamp.  I decided that we need someone that has been in gutter and knows what's down there to do the dirty work.  People keep harping on the bad of Donald Trump. Hey I know about it, but accept it.  By the way I didn't say deal breaker, I said disenfranchised!  There is a difference.  That dissatisfaction with Clinton had to do with an event while in office and up to that time with what I knew I wasn't to unhappy with things, but that one event really was despicable and lead me to looking further into his past.  Trumps past is there for all to see.  He has been investigated and vetted for than any other person to hold the office, yet nothing has been found.  It's time to get over the TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and get on with allowing him to do his job, which he does for NO PAYMENT! By the way I appreciate your comments.  Don't take my posting as a direct assault on you individually.  I have up voted many of you in this thread.

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1 minute ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I have know who Trump is and give him a pass at this point simply because he has pledged to drain the swamp.  I decided that we need someone that has been in gutter and knows what's down there to do the dirty work.  People keep harping on the bad of Donald Trump. Hey I know about it, but accept it.  By the way I didn't say deal breaker, I said disenfranchised!  There is a difference.  That dissatisfaction with Clinton had to do with an event while in office and up to that time with what I knew I wasn't to unhappy with things, but that one event really was despicable and lead me to looking further into his past.  Trumps past is there for all to see.  He has been investigated and vetted for than any other person to hold the office, yet nothing has been found.  It's time to get over the TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and get on with allowing him to do his job, which he does for NO PAYMENT!

Like you I think the Clinton's are deplorable - both in office and as persons.  Their history shows it.  They too were poor examples of upholding the honor of being placed in the WH.   And yes, I understand the often one sided presentation of the news by much of MSM - so I understand the grievances from which you speak  but I say we could have done much better than a Trump.  Brash words mean nothing if it destroys the fabric of our nation as he is doing.  I'm not convinced that Trump has done much swamp draining - I think he could have accomplished much more during the time the GOP had held Congress if he learned to keep his mouth shut.  I think he would have had his boarder wall and even the repeal of Obamacare if he had worked with Congress and stopped being a bad a..  all the time. 

Regarding the doing the job wt no payment --- he is getting a huge payment -- The Trump Brand.    I fully believe the only reason he really got into the race was to promote his brand.  I don't think he expected to win but the campaign was one big commercial for his Brand.  For that he is getting paid dearly.  Each time he stays at a Trump property - big time pay back.  The salary he would have gotten is small in comparison.   You couldn't have paid for that kind of free Brand promotion.

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14 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I have know who Trump is and give him a pass

 

Just as you gave all of his criminal employees and acquaintances a pass in another thread.

 

You're not looking for diversity of thought. You're looking for blind loyalty to Trump.  There's nothing respectable about that.

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27 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Donald Trump cares about you and me. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabahaha.

 

How so? When he tried to kick 16 million people off healthcare insurance? When hea trying to cut medicare by $845 billion? Medicaid by $1.5 trillion. Screwing over college students by increasing their already record high debt? Giving a $2 trillion dollar tax break to the ultra wealthy and corporations? Screwing over farmers with his trade wars and tariffs? Alienating every ally we have in this world and cozying up with dictators? The newest one being Brazil. What one of these policies shows that DJT gives a damn about anyone but himself or his interests?

I guess you don't understand President Trump and how he successfully negotiates things.  Sure those cuts are high, he has to have a starting point to negotiate from.  Wait and see where in the end it lands.  He knows this proposal won't past muster with the Dem Congress, but you also have to know that one side or the other should never be given a blank check and had he not set this starting point that is exactly what would have happened!

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17 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I have know who Trump is and give him a pass at this point simply because he has pledged to drain the swamp.  I decided that we need someone that has been in gutter and knows what's down there to do the dirty work.  People keep harping on the bad of Donald Trump. Hey I know about it, but accept it.  By the way I didn't say deal breaker, I said disenfranchised!  There is a difference.  That dissatisfaction with Clinton had to do with an event while in office and up to that time with what I knew I wasn't to unhappy with things, but that one event really was despicable and lead me to looking further into his past.  Trumps past is there for all to see.  He has been investigated and vetted for than any other person to hold the office, yet nothing has been found.  It's time to get over the TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and get on with allowing him to do his job, which he does for NO PAYMENT! By the way I appreciate your comments.  Don't take my posting as a direct assault on you individually.  I have up voted many of you in this thread.

Please stop using inflamatory and degrading terms like “Trump Derangement Syndrome” and all the other catch phrases you are getting from the conservative media.  It lessens every single thing in your post and is rude and unneccesaary. Ive seen some of your posts where you are  rational and want to interact so i think your reasons for being here are overall good.  If you talk like a grown up and not an elementary school bully you will do better here.  

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51 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

 You wonder why I like Donald Trump?  Well his is the first politician besides Ronald Reagan that really gives and dam about the people.

 

21 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I have know who Trump is and give him a pass at this point simply because he has pledged to drain the swamp. 

 

3 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I guess you don't understand President Trump and how he successfully negotiates things.  

 

 

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37 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

Excellent write-up.  You are not far off of my beliefs believe or not.  On government in general your spot on, but there are un-elected people in government that work each and every day to do nothing but support the existence of their position.  I know social workers in our county that will send a bus ticket (bought on their own dime) to an out of state resident to relocate said person so they have another welfare client to counsel.  People like this are out their, but in general by far most government workers are great.  I say your more conservative than you give yourself credit for.:thumbs

Super interesting that you read this and say he is more conservative than he thinks.  Could it be that some of your positions are more centriat/liberal than you think?  

 

If you took away your need to defend the man currently in power and looked just at the issues I think you’d be better served.  We dont need to label each other or name call.  

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26 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I guess you don't understand President Trump and how he successfully negotiates things.

What has Trump successfully negotiated?

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13 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

What has Trump successfully negotiated?

Oh I know, I know - is it the $130k payoff to Stormy Daniels?

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2 hours ago, Ulty said:

However, if you are seriously interested in reasonable discussion, can you start by answering a few questions yourself?

1. What does "Make America Great Again" mean to you?

2. What values do conservatives and/or the Republican party currently stand for?

3. What are some of your personal values?

4. Since you used the word "diversity" here, what does that word mean to you - not only in terms of political thought, as well as cultural, ethnic, racial, socio-economic (etc) diversity?

 

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1 hour ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

Excellent write-up.  You are not far off of my beliefs believe or not.  

 

Let's put a pin in that.

 

Pretty much every time we stop and discuss specific beliefs, America finds itself in near agreement: either on the core belief or with the understanding that the issue is complicated and our perspectives are varied. If you chart those beliefs in a political spectrum, Americans are considerably more progressive than the people we elect to represent us. 

 

But having opened with this open-minded compliment, you head straight for the manufactured talking points that reduce worthwhile discussion to tired extremist cliches. I know where you get these talking points and why you repeat them. I guess it counts as "diversity" on this board, but it's not making much of a case.

 

If you are dipping back to the New World Order, Dan Rather vs. George W. Bush, and Monica Lewinsky, you really aren't paying attention to what's happening now. 

 

So what is happening now? Well I think we're at a place in history where future generations will look back and say "what the f were they thinking?!"  What you're seeing on HuskerBoard is people from various political backgrounds choosing the right side of history.

 

Join us!

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34 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Oh I know, I know - is it the $130k payoff to Stormy Daniels?

 

Well actually Donald forgot to sign the NDA, paid her the 130K, and she went public anyway. 

 

Winning. 

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So, why is this the place to generate conversation about a perceived lack of political diversity? Why is this is the outlet for that discussion, a Husker sports message board? What is the goal or intended outcome of that debate when this is but one of a million political microcosms?

 

We should all strive political lucidity, but I must admit this is an odd battlefield to wage that war. It sounds eerily similar to an argument once posed by a currently banned member, a "MAGA conservative" with the unenviable dilemma of being unable to discuss politics within the confines of our Board Rules.

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2 hours ago, RedDenver said:

What has Trump successfully negotiated?

 

2 hours ago, NM11046 said:

Oh I know, I know - is it the $130k payoff to Stormy Daniels?

 

Um...that kind of blew up in Trump's face. Whether or not Trump paid for that service is unknown. 

 

But I'm sure the Russians have a tape of that happening, regardless. 

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5 hours ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I've posted here for a couple days now, and see absolute no one with any diversity of political ideology here.  Please are there any common sense MAGA conservatives here?  Come out of hiding and show your face!  Yesterday I said it looks like a one pony show here and a poster said no it isn't.  The only think I've seen is to what degree of liberal people are.  There isn't even a middle of the road person that I've seen.  I will say that you people are polite and I appreciate that. Also I think that people sincerely mean the best from their view point.

 

Those do not exist. 

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4 hours ago, NM11046 said:

Super interesting that you read this and say he is more conservative than he thinks.  Could it be that some of your positions are more centriat/liberal than you think?  

 

If you took away your need to defend the man currently in power and looked just at the issues I think you’d be better served.  We dont need to label each other or name call.  

Bingo - stop looking at the labels and just the issues.  Evaluate the issues with your brain and heart wtout having to conform to some party litmus test or Trump litmus test and you will find your true center.   It frees a person's mind when 'you don't have to ' interpret a policy based on someone else's preset bias.

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4 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Bingo - stop looking at the labels and just the issues.  Evaluate the issues with your brain and heart wtout having to conform to some party litmus test or Trump litmus test and you will find your true center.   It frees a person's mind when 'you don't have to ' interpret a policy based on someone else's preset bias.

Nice En Vogue theme you snuck in there TG ...

 

 

 

And as a side note - they released this song in 1992 - pretty scary how true it rings still today.  How sad is that?

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8 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Nice En Vogue theme you snuck in there TG ...

 

 

 

And as a side note - they released this song in 1992 - pretty scary how true it rings still today.  How sad is that?

Sometimes I get lucky......  who is En Vogue :P

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You wonder why I like Donald Trump?

 

Because he's a white supremacist and a serial sexual assaulter/misogynist?

 

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 There are quite a few people here who are rational, logical, moral, and fact-driven from varying ideologies (left wing, right wing, and everything in between).  Unfortunately, there are very few of those people in the MAGA Trumpkin realm. So it may come off as lack of diversity to some.

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There is plenty of political diversity on this site. But I understand why you don't see it. Do you understand why?

The reason is because you come in guns blazing, shouting out some wild, somewhat extreme, and mostly factually baseless assertions, and then almost everyone tells you that that isn't true. Since you think it's true, and since it's a MAGA conservative talking point or distraction, you think that everyone disagreeing must be liberal. That's not true, you're just wrong.

 

There are a handful of very liberal posters on here (NM would be one, QMany another I think). There's a lot in the middle who have differing beliefs on some things (people like myself, moiraine, knapp and others have some conservative ideas and some liberal ideas depending on the issue; personally i'm a bit center left overall but I also criticize the left a lot). There are conservatives as well (people like JJhusker, bigredbuster and tg husker are all tried and tested and obviously conservative posters). 

 

Sorry to tell you there aren't a lot of active MAGA people in here. Every once in a while one comes in and says all the same things you say, and complains about how everyone is liberal, and blah blah blah, and they usually either get banned for breaking board rules or get tired of people calling out their assertions without credible evidence. Would love if you didn't fall into the same cliche and offered an insightful contribution from pro-Trump camp.

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1 minute ago, Landlord said:

 

There are a handful of very liberal posters on here (NM would be one, QMany another I think). There's a lot in the middle who have differing beliefs on some things (people like myself, moiraine, knapp and others have some conservative ideas and some liberal ideas depending on the issue; personally i'm a bit center left overall but I also criticize the left a lot). There are conservatives as well (people like JJhusker, bigredbuster and tg husker are all tried and tested and obviously conservative posters). 

 

 

I don't know if I would consider myself "very liberal." I voted for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. But as the GOP has become a shell of its old self with no dignity, principles, morals, or honor, I have found myself voting entirely for the Democratic Party in the recent local elections and becoming more vocal against the Trump, Kobach, McConnell, Graham, Ryan et al ilk.

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4 minutes ago, QMany said:

 

I don't know if I would consider myself "very liberal." I voted for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. But as the GOP has become a shell of its old self with no dignity, principles, morals, or honor, I have found myself voting entirely for the Democratic Party in the recent local elections and becoming more vocal against the Trump, Kobach, McConnell, Graham, Ryan et al ilk.

It is amazing how liberal Ronald Reagan looks by today's standards.  If that is the case, I'll gladly call myself a liberal.

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6 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

Wow...you know you're dealing with someone special when they opt out of using carriage returns and just assault you with a wall of text. 

 

Let's break it down:

 

 

Right--as long as there has been a free press, there have been people getting the story wrong and having to print/air retractions. That is nothing new, and the base standards for a credible story are still intact. And with the examples you gave, retractions were made. 

Conversely, since you're "MAGAnificent", I'm sure you're familiar with "news" sources that Trump supporters wrap themselves around: Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge Report, the Daily Caller. All of these "news" sources knowing pushed out misinformation as fact, and failed to retract any of it. For example: Have you seperated what is news and opinion on Fox.  Sure there is opinion, but their actual news is usually spot on and they do report it each way.  Breitbart I never read and haven't been to their site in 4-5 years, Drudge is now full on Liberal if you haven't notices and I wouldn't know much about the Daily Caller either

  • Newt Genrich went on Fox News and claimed DNC Staffer Seth Rich was assassinated after giving WikiLeaks all the documents and emails used by the DNC. 
    • This statement is undoubtedly false AF, and it was actually Newt regurgitating a news story Fox News concocted by taking quotes from a disgraced former homicide detective and twisting them into some perverse narrative. The story has been proven false even by Wheeler himself.  Do we really know for sure on that one yet.  Sounds like Arkancide to me!
    • Fox News has yet to retract their statements about this, and the narrative was especially painful for Seth Rich's parents, native Nebraskans from Omaha. I feel sorry for the parents, since no parent should have to deal with sort of thing.  Seth's parents are buying the story they were given.  That's fine, but the whole story hasn't been told by a long shot.
  • Breitbart accused an immigrant of starting the California fires in 2017, a story that was obviously scooped up by the likes of Fox News and their ilk, because it blames an immigrant (who cares if they're legal or not, AMIRITE?) of starting the fires and killing 40. 
    • The story was complete bulls***, made up by staffers. The guy *was* arrested for a smaller, separate arson case...but since immigrants are evil, and this guy committed arson, he must be guilty AF, right?
    • This story has yet to be retracted by Breitbart, and the narrative that an illegal alien started the CA fires (thus pwning the dirty libs) continues to pop up again and again like a retarded conservative version of whack-a-mole.  I don't buy Brietbart's story on this at all.  That's one of the reason I don't follow them!  The only thing I will say about the wild fires, the forest have not been managed correctly for generations.  Stuff happens.  I don't even remember how they were started!  Certainly a disaster that everyone would hope would never happen.

The difference I see is that while regular news outlets and sites may sometimes get something wrong, they strive to make things right and typically own up to anything they got wrong. Conversely, sites that aren't considered MSM routinely spout mistruths as fact, don't retract when they get something wrong, and sometimes even double down on what they got wrong if it fits the narrative they're trying to push. Outlets like Fox News, Breitbart, and their ilk are not only dangerous, but are traitors to our country by willingly pushing misinformation to citizens.   Are you saying that CNN and MSMBC don't do the this.  They are so deep in the weeds with the Democrats, I'll never forget Wolf Blitzer having a toast of champagne after Hillary was nominated.  Also the fact that most of the news people on those networks are married to people that where in the Obama Administration leaves no doubt that their is a very heavy bias for the Democrats.

 

 

Wow...I guess congratulations are in order, because you were finally able to bring together George Soros and the Koch Brothers, two extremely disparate groups of rich influences, to a common cause. Even though this is just in your mind and isn't in reality, I still feel congratulations are in order considering the mental gymnastics it would take to accept this notion. Sure they're political opposites, but still big players on the world scene and do pour tons of money into politics and buy votes and buying narratives on the news and other big network programs all the time.

 

 

Well, hell, if you had to explain Bill Clinton to your daughter, how did you explain having to buy off porn star escorts, escorts that gave Trump golden showers, and Trump sexually assaulting women (including underage, if we want to include pageant fiascoes in this). Oh wait, let me guess, you're okay with this s*** because it's your guy, right?  Well I didn't have to explain that one to her, since she is married and off on her own.  But you know what even she as a 30 year could see for herself what the Stormy Daniels thing was all about.  You know it's a fact that very very wealthy men and women get shaken down all the time in situations like this.  Heck I know Trump isn't perfect, but he did something like your saying he did it on his own time not in the oval office.  I compare what Bill Clinton did to getting a hummer right on the altar at church.  Also the attorney that Stormy had was joke, and in the end the Judge ordered Stormy to pay Trumps Attorney fees.  When money is involved bimbos appear all the time.  You should have realized by now when this crap is pulled on Trump it will never stick.

 

Seriously--if you have a problem with the Clinton blowjob in office but don't have a similar or greater level of contempt for Trump...well, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, you might just be a hypocrite. Call me a hypocrite all you want I really don't care, what ever you think Trump has done has never been proven like Clinton's hummer was.  Oh boy now Jeff Foxworth and is a merchant of virtue?  Give me a break!!

 

 

Because he's a white supremacist and a serial sexual assaulter/misogynist?  Who just happens to have more women in high places and pays them equally to men and always has unlike Hillary Clinton, also Pastor Darrell Scott says Trump is the most Pro-Black President In My lifetime.  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/03/pastor_darrell_scott_trump_most_pro-black_president_in_my_lifetime.html   I hear those the words White Supremacist and Serial Sexual Assaulter/Misogynist and all I can think of is that usually the people that bring this crap are the ones doing it.    

 

 

Oh, which people, praytell? And no, Trump is nowhere close to perfect, but you've seriously been looking for an illiterate, ignorant, bankrupt fame-slut for 20 years to put in the White House? You must not have been looking too hard then...  Well he is an American Citizen that has had the ability to amass a wealth of around 12 Billion Dollars even after going bankrupt which many good people do.  I think he learned from it considering where he has come from and would say he is far from illiterate.  No dummy goes bankrupt then makes 12 billion.  

 

 

Oh there we go with the Uniparty talk again. Honestly, the only thing Trump has done is expose how depraved and hypocritical religious evangelicals and the modern day GOP are. But I suppose Trump has helped get voters out, especially Democrats and moderates who are embarrassed that there's a moron representing our interests. Well, the biggest moron this side of Ford, at any rate.  Trump has been dealt a huge mess and even before in office had people attempting to seditiously over throw the election.  He had the FBI and CIA attempting to frame him for something that has never happened and to your amazement 67% of the public do not support Impeachment.  The kitchen sink has been thrown him and the person you call a moron is still there and he will still be there all the way to January  2025 when he turns over power to who ever is elected unlike Obama who left a bunch of sore losers in government who tried their best to take him down. This has been the biggest witch hunt and act of treason against a sitting president our country has ever had.  You can not like him just like I couldn't stand Obama, but the acts against Trump by people inside our government that were huge supporters of Obama is treasonous.

 

 

Oh sweet baby Jesus tap dancing on a peed-on hooker bed, here we go with the MAGA crowd trying to use big words like "socialism" again without understanding what it means. I'd love to see what our poster thinks it means and why it's so evil...and if they're willing to tell the Social Security office that he doesn't need their money after all. If I'd have had a choice, I would never had paid into social security, but since I have, it is my right to take that "paid for benefit" when it is my time.  Unlike the people who get benefits and have never paid a nickel into it.  Had I been able to invest that same money I put in over my lifetime of work, I would have had a far bigger benefit today.  Where the heck do you think Social Security comes from anyway?  The government?  Or as one person getting government payments said, "it's Barack money."  Heck no it's my money, I paid into the system and it's part of my retirement plan.  

 

And as far as transparency goes, last time I checked, we still don't have Trump's tax returns made public, the White House isn't providing documentation requested in the course of an investigation, and Trump has committed numerous crimes, including obstruction of justice. I mean, I suppose to someone that's blind, this administration would look as transparent as any other, right?  Tax returns being release is an optional thing.  Past President did it on their own.  I can't imagine if most people would even understand a tax return of the nature and size of Donald Trump.  You should be more concerned that the most wealthy man in our country, pays no taxes and that's Jeff Bezos of Amazon, the guy that owns the far far left rag the Washington Post who weekly get info illegally from the CIA on false Trump reports.  There has been no obstruction or we would have heard about it long ago.  Just keep dreaming and have a sweet dream on that!  

 

Seriously, your views are really messed up and out of touch with reality. If you can actually get sane and learn how to discern fact from fiction, then by all means, we'd love to have you in our discussions. But as you are now...no, there are crazy homeless folks in Downtown Dallas that provide more coherent discussions. You talk about reality!  Are you in touch with reality yourself?  Most of the stuff you posted here is comical at best.  Heard it all before and read this crap on other leftist sites that just made me laugh.  I really feel sorry for folk that take such a dim view of what has gone on the last 2+ years and will continue for the six.  Factories are reopening, steel mills are coming back, Auto assembly plants are reopening, small business are being revived and a record number opened last year.  Black and Latino unemployment is at record lowers and everyone's wages are rising. What is it that you really want anyway? What is your utopia?  I know you don't like Trump, but he has help everyone with wages growing and a smaller tax bill putting more money in your pocket.  James Carville said that people vote with their pocket books and it looks like the pocket book are getting bigger and this doesn't help Democrats one bit. So what are they going to to do?  They will mis-characterize and make stuff up to hilt over the next many years.  The problem is, no one is buying the Democrat lies any longer.

Wow, I guess my posting got right under your skin.  For my response, check out the BOLD Red responses!  Have a wonderful day!  Sorry for any typos or bad grammar, I put this together very quickly!

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17 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

 

Wow...you know you're dealing with someone special when they opt out of using carriage returns and just assault you with a wall of text. 

 

Let's break it down:

 

 

Right--as long as there has been a free press, there have been people getting the story wrong and having to print/air retractions. That is nothing new, and the base standards for a credible story are still intact. And with the examples you gave, retractions were made. 

Conversely, since you're "MAGAnificent", I'm sure you're familiar with "news" sources that Trump supporters wrap themselves around: Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge Report, the Daily Caller. All of these "news" sources knowing pushed out misinformation as fact, and failed to retract any of it. For example: Have you seperated what is news and opinion on Fox.  Sure there is opinion, but their actual news is usually spot on and they do report it each way.  Breitbart I never read and haven't been to their site in 4-5 years, Drudge is now full on Liberal if you haven't notices and I wouldn't know much about the Daily Caller either

  • Newt Genrich went on Fox News and claimed DNC Staffer Seth Rich was assassinated after giving WikiLeaks all the documents and emails used by the DNC. 
    • This statement is undoubtedly false AF, and it was actually Newt regurgitating a news story Fox News concocted by taking quotes from a disgraced former homicide detective and twisting them into some perverse narrative. The story has been proven false even by Wheeler himself.  Do we really know for sure on that one yet.  Sounds like Arkancide to me!
    • Fox News has yet to retract their statements about this, and the narrative was especially painful for Seth Rich's parents, native Nebraskans from Omaha. I feel sorry for the parents, since no parent should have to deal with sort of thing.  Seth's parents are buying the story they were given.  That's fine, but the whole story hasn't been told by a long shot.
  • Breitbart accused an immigrant of starting the California fires in 2017, a story that was obviously scooped up by the likes of Fox News and their ilk, because it blames an immigrant (who cares if they're legal or not, AMIRITE?) of starting the fires and killing 40. 
    • The story was complete bulls***, made up by staffers. The guy *was* arrested for a smaller, separate arson case...but since immigrants are evil, and this guy committed arson, he must be guilty AF, right?
    • This story has yet to be retracted by Breitbart, and the narrative that an illegal alien started the CA fires (thus pwning the dirty libs) continues to pop up again and again like a retarded conservative version of whack-a-mole.  I don't buy Brietbart's story on this at all.  That's one of the reason I don't follow them!  The only thing I will say about the wild fires, the forest have not been managed correctly for generations.  Stuff happens.  I don't even remember how they were started!  Certainly a disaster that everyone would hope would never happen.

The difference I see is that while regular news outlets and sites may sometimes get something wrong, they strive to make things right and typically own up to anything they got wrong. Conversely, sites that aren't considered MSM routinely spout mistruths as fact, don't retract when they get something wrong, and sometimes even double down on what they got wrong if it fits the narrative they're trying to push. Outlets like Fox News, Breitbart, and their ilk are not only dangerous, but are traitors to our country by willingly pushing misinformation to citizens.   Are you saying that CNN and MSMBC don't do the this.  They are so deep in the weeds with the Democrats, I'll never forget Wolf Blitzer having a toast of champagne after Hillary was nominated.  Also the fact that most of the news people on those networks are married to people that where in the Obama Administration leaves no doubt that their is a very heavy bias for the Democrats.

 

 

Wow...I guess congratulations are in order, because you were finally able to bring together George Soros and the Koch Brothers, two extremely disparate groups of rich influences, to a common cause. Even though this is just in your mind and isn't in reality, I still feel congratulations are in order considering the mental gymnastics it would take to accept this notion. Sure they're political opposites, but still big players on the world scene and do pour tons of money into politics and buy votes and buying narratives on the news and other big network programs all the time.

 

 

Well, hell, if you had to explain Bill Clinton to your daughter, how did you explain having to buy off porn star escorts, escorts that gave Trump golden showers, and Trump sexually assaulting women (including underage, if we want to include pageant fiascoes in this). Oh wait, let me guess, you're okay with this s*** because it's your guy, right?  Well I didn't have to explain that one to her, since she is married and off on her own.  But you know what even she as a 30 year could see for herself what the Stormy Daniels thing was all about.  You know it's a fact that very very wealthy men and women get shaken down all the time in situations like this.  Heck I know Trump isn't perfect, but he did something like your saying he did it on his own time not in the oval office.  I compare what Bill Clinton did to getting a hummer right on the altar at church.  Also the attorney that Stormy had was joke, and in the end the Judge ordered Stormy to pay Trumps Attorney fees.  When money is involved bimbos appear all the time.  You should have realized by now when this crap is pulled on Trump it will never stick.

 

Seriously--if you have a problem with the Clinton blowjob in office but don't have a similar or greater level of contempt for Trump...well, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, you might just be a hypocrite. Call me a hypocrite all you want I really don't care, what ever you think Trump has done has never been proven like Clinton's hummer was.  Oh boy now Jeff Foxworth and is a merchant of virtue?  Give me a break!!

 

 

Because he's a white supremacist and a serial sexual assaulter/misogynist?  Who just happens to have more women in high places and pays them equally to men and always has unlike Hillary Clinton, also Pastor Darrell Scott says Trump is the most Pro-Black President In My lifetime.  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/03/pastor_darrell_scott_trump_most_pro-black_president_in_my_lifetime.html   I hear those the words White Supremacist and Serial Sexual Assaulter/Misogynist and all I can think of is that usually the people that bring this crap are the ones doing it.    

 

 

Oh, which people, praytell? And no, Trump is nowhere close to perfect, but you've seriously been looking for an illiterate, ignorant, bankrupt fame-slut for 20 years to put in the White House? You must not have been looking too hard then...  Well he is an American Citizen that has had the ability to amass a wealth of around 12 Billion Dollars even after going bankrupt which many good people do.  I think he learned from it considering where he has come from and would say he is far from illiterate.  No dummy goes bankrupt then makes 12 billion.  

 

 

Oh there we go with the Uniparty talk again. Honestly, the only thing Trump has done is expose how depraved and hypocritical religious evangelicals and the modern day GOP are. But I suppose Trump has helped get voters out, especially Democrats and moderates who are embarrassed that there's a moron representing our interests. Well, the biggest moron this side of Ford, at any rate.  Trump has been dealt a huge mess and even before in office had people attempting to seditiously over throw the election.  He had the FBI and CIA attempting to frame him for something that has never happened and to your amazement 67% of the public do not support Impeachment.  The kitchen sink has been thrown him and the person you call a moron is still there and he will still be there all the way to January  2025 when he turns over power to who ever is elected unlike Obama who left a bunch of sore losers in government who tried their best to take him down. This has been the biggest witch hunt and act of treason against a sitting president our country has ever had.  You can not like him just like I couldn't stand Obama, but the acts against Trump by people inside our government that were huge supporters of Obama is treasonous.

 

 

Oh sweet baby Jesus tap dancing on a peed-on hooker bed, here we go with the MAGA crowd trying to use big words like "socialism" again without understanding what it means. I'd love to see what our poster thinks it means and why it's so evil...and if they're willing to tell the Social Security office that he doesn't need their money after all. If I'd have had a choice, I would never had paid into social security, but since I have, it is my right to take that "paid for benefit" when it is my time.  Unlike the people who get benefits and have never paid a nickel into it.  Had I been able to invest that same money I put in over my lifetime of work, I would have had a far bigger benefit today.  Where the heck do you think Social Security comes from anyway?  The government?  Or as one person getting government payments said, "it's Barack money."  Heck no it's my money, I paid into the system and it's part of my retirement plan.  

 

And as far as transparency goes, last time I checked, we still don't have Trump's tax returns made public, the White House isn't providing documentation requested in the course of an investigation, and Trump has committed numerous crimes, including obstruction of justice. I mean, I suppose to someone that's blind, this administration would look as transparent as any other, right?  Tax returns being release is an optional thing.  Past President did it on their own.  I can't imagine if most people would even understand a tax return of the nature and size of Donald Trump.  You should be more concerned that the most wealthy man in our country, pays no taxes and that's Jeff Bezos of Amazon, the guy that owns the far far left rag the Washington Post who weekly get info illegally from the CIA on false Trump reports.  There has been no obstruction or we would have heard about it long ago.  Just keep dreaming and have a sweet dream on that!  

 

Seriously, your views are really messed up and out of touch with reality. If you can actually get sane and learn how to discern fact from fiction, then by all means, we'd love to have you in our discussions. But as you are now...no, there are crazy homeless folks in Downtown Dallas that provide more coherent discussions. You talk about reality!  Are you in touch with reality yourself?  Most of the stuff you posted here is comical at best.  Heard it all before and read this crap on other leftist sites that just made me laugh.  I really feel sorry for folk that take such a dim view of what has gone on the last 2+ years and will continue for the six.  Factories are reopening, steel mills are coming back, Auto assembly plants are reopening, small business are being revived and a record number opened last year.  Black and Latino unemployment is at record lowers and everyone's wages are rising. What is it that you really want anyway? What is your utopia?  I know you don't like Trump, but he has help everyone with wages growing and a smaller tax bill putting more money in your pocket.  James Carville said that people vote with their pocket books and it looks like the pocket book are getting bigger and this doesn't help Democrats one bit. So what are they going to to do?  They will mis-characterize and make stuff up to hilt over the next many years.  The problem is, no one is buying the Democrat lies any longer.

 

 

I disagree.

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I love when people say with a straight face that Trump was handed a big mess, and then brag about Obama’s trends he’s merely continued. It’s highly amusing.

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I'll let others tackle some of your points, but I'll take the 

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Who just happens to have more women in high places and pays them equally to men and always has unlike Hillary Clinton, also Pastor Darrell Scott says Trump is the most Pro-Black President In My lifetime.

 

You are wrong.  Bigly.

 

I went back as far as Reagan since you have referenced him.  

 

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Source:   http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/womenapptdtoprescabinets.pdf

 

And as far as pay, I have ZERO idea where you got that impression.  The pay gap between men and women has tripled in his admin vs. Obama.  

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The median female White House employee is drawing a salary of $72,650 in 2017, compared to the median male salary of $115,000. “The typical female staffer in Trump's White House earns 63.2 cents per $1 earned by a typical male staffer,” Perry writes.

The 37 percent gender pay gap in President Trump's White House is more than double the 17 percent gender pay gap nationally. According to the Pew Research center, the Trump White House gender gap is wider than the national gender pay gap stood in 1980.

 

Source:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/05/white-house-gender-pay-gap-more-than-triples-under-trump/?utm_term=.538d011cd196

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-07-05/trump-white-house-pays-women-37-percent-less-than-men-report

https://www.rollcall.com/politics/salary-data-show-gender-pay-gap-in-trump-white-house

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/05/pay-gap-white-house-37-economist-says/452858001/

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news-other-administration/340712-gender-pay-gap-for-white-house-staff

 

You have a daughter.  You should be aware of this and care about it, as I promise she does.

 

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Edit:  and that Pastor you reference works for Trump.

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5 hours ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

Wow, I guess my posting got right under your skin.  For my response, check out the BOLD Red responses!  Have a wonderful day!  Sorry for any typos or bad grammar, I put this together very quickly!

Got any evidence for any of those claims?

 

NM already debunked the women in the WH issue.

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9 hours ago, TGHusker said:

Bingo - stop looking at the labels and just the issues.  Evaluate the issues with your brain and heart wtout having to conform to some party litmus test or Trump litmus test and you will find your true center.   It frees a person's mind when 'you don't have to ' interpret a policy based on someone else's preset bias.

 

If I wasn't so lazy I'd post something backing this up, but it's pretty well established that most people can sit and talk actual issues all day long in a fairly reasonable manner, without becoming contentious. 

 

As soon as you start assigning labels and discussing groups (parties), people lose their minds and become much more emotional.

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Well I didn't have to explain that one to her, since she is married and off on her own.  But you know what even she as a 30 year could see for herself what the Stormy Daniels thing was all about.  You know it's a fact that very very wealthy men and women get shaken down all the time in situations like this.  Heck I know Trump isn't perfect, but he did something like your saying he did it on his own time not in the oval office.  I compare what Bill Clinton did to getting a hummer right on the altar at church.  Also the attorney that Stormy had was joke, and in the end the Judge ordered Stormy to pay Trumps Attorney fees.  When money is involved bimbos appear all the time.  You should have realized by now when this crap is pulled on Trump it will never stick.

 

  • So your issue is that Bill cheated in the Oval Office then, not that he cheated (and didn't pay to keep her quiet)?
  • Poor Don, because he is rich all these people are out to get him?  

 

And your comment re: "bimbos" is offensive.

 

I've tried to be open minded about your comments and feelings about things, but your misogyny is showing through real clear in the last post here MN.  I see more and more each day why you support and like this man so much, and I don't think it has a thing to do with his political positions.  Were you always like this and just found your guy and you're stoked?  Or do you feel that you didn't know you had these characteristics until he took office and you saw that it was ok to show them in public?

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2 hours ago, NM11046 said:

 

  • So your issue is that Bill cheated in the Oval Office then, not that he cheated (and didn't pay to keep her quiet)?
  • Poor Don, because he is rich all these people are out to get him?  

 

And your comment re: "bimbos" is offensive.

 

I've tried to be open minded about your comments and feelings about things, but your misogyny is showing through real clear in the last post here MN.  I see more and more each day why you support and like this man so much, and I don't think it has a thing to do with his political positions.  Were you always like this and just found your guy and you're stoked?  Or do you feel that you didn't know you had these characteristics until he took office and you saw that it was ok to show them in public?

I'm sorry you feel that way about the word bimbo.  I guess I should have said an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman.  Your taking this term as a word used against ALL women is just your sensitivity of the issue showing through.  Is it Donald Trumps fault that women do this sort of thing to him or for that matter they do it to anyone.  Your being quite naive if you don't think that it does happen.   

 

As for misogyny, give me a break.  This word is so over used in today's society.  Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification.  The use of the word bimbo can also be used as  term for a man that does the same thing as the woman. Here is that definition:  a foolish, stupid, or inept person. a man or fellow, often a disreputable or contemptible one. I have absolutely no contempt for women at all.  I even see a female MD as my primary Doctor.   She is very intelligent  and knows her stuff.  I also have a female attorney and respect her opinion and advise.  She helped my wife and I when doing a very complicated estate involving a farm sale.  The term misogyny is so over used and is only the big fall back term today and along with calling everything racist that the left uses to attack people when they THINK they see something.  You only know Donald Trump through the lens you chose to see him through.  Sounds like the echo chamber here has been your lens.

 

I haven't said one word here what I do for a living. I have practiced my profession for 42 years.  I do serve the general public, people of all faiths, both men and women and people of all walks of life.  I doubt that anyone would have a clue what I do, I will only say that I have a licences to practice this profession and I'm not a Barber! To be called a misogynist is such a huge mis-characterization of who I am and really quite offensive.  You think the use one word with a definition of exact the type of person to be described makes a person a misogynist?  You need to get out a little more and leave this echo chamber!

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