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2 hours ago, RedDenver said:

What has Trump successfully negotiated?

 

2 hours ago, NM11046 said:

Oh I know, I know - is it the $130k payoff to Stormy Daniels?

 

Um...that kind of blew up in Trump's face. Whether or not Trump paid for that service is unknown. 

 

But I'm sure the Russians have a tape of that happening, regardless. 

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5 hours ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

I've posted here for a couple days now, and see absolute no one with any diversity of political ideology here.  Please are there any common sense MAGA conservatives here?  Come out of hiding and show your face!  Yesterday I said it looks like a one pony show here and a poster said no it isn't.  The only think I've seen is to what degree of liberal people are.  There isn't even a middle of the road person that I've seen.  I will say that you people are polite and I appreciate that. Also I think that people sincerely mean the best from their view point.

 

Those do not exist. 

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4 hours ago, NM11046 said:

Super interesting that you read this and say he is more conservative than he thinks.  Could it be that some of your positions are more centriat/liberal than you think?  

 

If you took away your need to defend the man currently in power and looked just at the issues I think you’d be better served.  We dont need to label each other or name call.  

Bingo - stop looking at the labels and just the issues.  Evaluate the issues with your brain and heart wtout having to conform to some party litmus test or Trump litmus test and you will find your true center.   It frees a person's mind when 'you don't have to ' interpret a policy based on someone else's preset bias.

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4 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Bingo - stop looking at the labels and just the issues.  Evaluate the issues with your brain and heart wtout having to conform to some party litmus test or Trump litmus test and you will find your true center.   It frees a person's mind when 'you don't have to ' interpret a policy based on someone else's preset bias.

Nice En Vogue theme you snuck in there TG ...

 

 

 

And as a side note - they released this song in 1992 - pretty scary how true it rings still today.  How sad is that?

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8 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Nice En Vogue theme you snuck in there TG ...

 

 

 

And as a side note - they released this song in 1992 - pretty scary how true it rings still today.  How sad is that?

Sometimes I get lucky......  who is En Vogue :P

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 There are quite a few people here who are rational, logical, moral, and fact-driven from varying ideologies (left wing, right wing, and everything in between).  Unfortunately, there are very few of those people in the MAGA Trumpkin realm. So it may come off as lack of diversity to some.

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There is plenty of political diversity on this site. But I understand why you don't see it. Do you understand why?

The reason is because you come in guns blazing, shouting out some wild, somewhat extreme, and mostly factually baseless assertions, and then almost everyone tells you that that isn't true. Since you think it's true, and since it's a MAGA conservative talking point or distraction, you think that everyone disagreeing must be liberal. That's not true, you're just wrong.

 

There are a handful of very liberal posters on here (NM would be one, QMany another I think). There's a lot in the middle who have differing beliefs on some things (people like myself, moiraine, knapp and others have some conservative ideas and some liberal ideas depending on the issue; personally i'm a bit center left overall but I also criticize the left a lot). There are conservatives as well (people like JJhusker, bigredbuster and tg husker are all tried and tested and obviously conservative posters). 

 

Sorry to tell you there aren't a lot of active MAGA people in here. Every once in a while one comes in and says all the same things you say, and complains about how everyone is liberal, and blah blah blah, and they usually either get banned for breaking board rules or get tired of people calling out their assertions without credible evidence. Would love if you didn't fall into the same cliche and offered an insightful contribution from pro-Trump camp.

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1 minute ago, Landlord said:

 

There are a handful of very liberal posters on here (NM would be one, QMany another I think). There's a lot in the middle who have differing beliefs on some things (people like myself, moiraine, knapp and others have some conservative ideas and some liberal ideas depending on the issue; personally i'm a bit center left overall but I also criticize the left a lot). There are conservatives as well (people like JJhusker, bigredbuster and tg husker are all tried and tested and obviously conservative posters). 

 

 

I don't know if I would consider myself "very liberal." I voted for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. But as the GOP has become a shell of its old self with no dignity, principles, morals, or honor, I have found myself voting entirely for the Democratic Party in the recent local elections and becoming more vocal against the Trump, Kobach, McConnell, Graham, Ryan et al ilk.

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4 minutes ago, QMany said:

 

I don't know if I would consider myself "very liberal." I voted for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. But as the GOP has become a shell of its old self with no dignity, principles, morals, or honor, I have found myself voting entirely for the Democratic Party in the recent local elections and becoming more vocal against the Trump, Kobach, McConnell, Graham, Ryan et al ilk.

It is amazing how liberal Ronald Reagan looks by today's standards.  If that is the case, I'll gladly call myself a liberal.

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6 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

Wow...you know you're dealing with someone special when they opt out of using carriage returns and just assault you with a wall of text. 

 

Let's break it down:

 

 

Right--as long as there has been a free press, there have been people getting the story wrong and having to print/air retractions. That is nothing new, and the base standards for a credible story are still intact. And with the examples you gave, retractions were made. 

Conversely, since you're "MAGAnificent", I'm sure you're familiar with "news" sources that Trump supporters wrap themselves around: Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge Report, the Daily Caller. All of these "news" sources knowing pushed out misinformation as fact, and failed to retract any of it. For example: Have you seperated what is news and opinion on Fox.  Sure there is opinion, but their actual news is usually spot on and they do report it each way.  Breitbart I never read and haven't been to their site in 4-5 years, Drudge is now full on Liberal if you haven't notices and I wouldn't know much about the Daily Caller either

  • Newt Genrich went on Fox News and claimed DNC Staffer Seth Rich was assassinated after giving WikiLeaks all the documents and emails used by the DNC. 
    • This statement is undoubtedly false AF, and it was actually Newt regurgitating a news story Fox News concocted by taking quotes from a disgraced former homicide detective and twisting them into some perverse narrative. The story has been proven false even by Wheeler himself.  Do we really know for sure on that one yet.  Sounds like Arkancide to me!
    • Fox News has yet to retract their statements about this, and the narrative was especially painful for Seth Rich's parents, native Nebraskans from Omaha. I feel sorry for the parents, since no parent should have to deal with sort of thing.  Seth's parents are buying the story they were given.  That's fine, but the whole story hasn't been told by a long shot.
  • Breitbart accused an immigrant of starting the California fires in 2017, a story that was obviously scooped up by the likes of Fox News and their ilk, because it blames an immigrant (who cares if they're legal or not, AMIRITE?) of starting the fires and killing 40. 
    • The story was complete bulls***, made up by staffers. The guy *was* arrested for a smaller, separate arson case...but since immigrants are evil, and this guy committed arson, he must be guilty AF, right?
    • This story has yet to be retracted by Breitbart, and the narrative that an illegal alien started the CA fires (thus pwning the dirty libs) continues to pop up again and again like a retarded conservative version of whack-a-mole.  I don't buy Brietbart's story on this at all.  That's one of the reason I don't follow them!  The only thing I will say about the wild fires, the forest have not been managed correctly for generations.  Stuff happens.  I don't even remember how they were started!  Certainly a disaster that everyone would hope would never happen.

The difference I see is that while regular news outlets and sites may sometimes get something wrong, they strive to make things right and typically own up to anything they got wrong. Conversely, sites that aren't considered MSM routinely spout mistruths as fact, don't retract when they get something wrong, and sometimes even double down on what they got wrong if it fits the narrative they're trying to push. Outlets like Fox News, Breitbart, and their ilk are not only dangerous, but are traitors to our country by willingly pushing misinformation to citizens.   Are you saying that CNN and MSMBC don't do the this.  They are so deep in the weeds with the Democrats, I'll never forget Wolf Blitzer having a toast of champagne after Hillary was nominated.  Also the fact that most of the news people on those networks are married to people that where in the Obama Administration leaves no doubt that their is a very heavy bias for the Democrats.

 

 

Wow...I guess congratulations are in order, because you were finally able to bring together George Soros and the Koch Brothers, two extremely disparate groups of rich influences, to a common cause. Even though this is just in your mind and isn't in reality, I still feel congratulations are in order considering the mental gymnastics it would take to accept this notion. Sure they're political opposites, but still big players on the world scene and do pour tons of money into politics and buy votes and buying narratives on the news and other big network programs all the time.

 

 

Well, hell, if you had to explain Bill Clinton to your daughter, how did you explain having to buy off porn star escorts, escorts that gave Trump golden showers, and Trump sexually assaulting women (including underage, if we want to include pageant fiascoes in this). Oh wait, let me guess, you're okay with this s*** because it's your guy, right?  Well I didn't have to explain that one to her, since she is married and off on her own.  But you know what even she as a 30 year could see for herself what the Stormy Daniels thing was all about.  You know it's a fact that very very wealthy men and women get shaken down all the time in situations like this.  Heck I know Trump isn't perfect, but he did something like your saying he did it on his own time not in the oval office.  I compare what Bill Clinton did to getting a hummer right on the altar at church.  Also the attorney that Stormy had was joke, and in the end the Judge ordered Stormy to pay Trumps Attorney fees.  When money is involved bimbos appear all the time.  You should have realized by now when this crap is pulled on Trump it will never stick.

 

Seriously--if you have a problem with the Clinton blowjob in office but don't have a similar or greater level of contempt for Trump...well, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, you might just be a hypocrite. Call me a hypocrite all you want I really don't care, what ever you think Trump has done has never been proven like Clinton's hummer was.  Oh boy now Jeff Foxworth and is a merchant of virtue?  Give me a break!!

 

 

Because he's a white supremacist and a serial sexual assaulter/misogynist?  Who just happens to have more women in high places and pays them equally to men and always has unlike Hillary Clinton, also Pastor Darrell Scott says Trump is the most Pro-Black President In My lifetime.  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/03/pastor_darrell_scott_trump_most_pro-black_president_in_my_lifetime.html   I hear those the words White Supremacist and Serial Sexual Assaulter/Misogynist and all I can think of is that usually the people that bring this crap are the ones doing it.    

 

 

Oh, which people, praytell? And no, Trump is nowhere close to perfect, but you've seriously been looking for an illiterate, ignorant, bankrupt fame-slut for 20 years to put in the White House? You must not have been looking too hard then...  Well he is an American Citizen that has had the ability to amass a wealth of around 12 Billion Dollars even after going bankrupt which many good people do.  I think he learned from it considering where he has come from and would say he is far from illiterate.  No dummy goes bankrupt then makes 12 billion.  

 

 

Oh there we go with the Uniparty talk again. Honestly, the only thing Trump has done is expose how depraved and hypocritical religious evangelicals and the modern day GOP are. But I suppose Trump has helped get voters out, especially Democrats and moderates who are embarrassed that there's a moron representing our interests. Well, the biggest moron this side of Ford, at any rate.  Trump has been dealt a huge mess and even before in office had people attempting to seditiously over throw the election.  He had the FBI and CIA attempting to frame him for something that has never happened and to your amazement 67% of the public do not support Impeachment.  The kitchen sink has been thrown him and the person you call a moron is still there and he will still be there all the way to January  2025 when he turns over power to who ever is elected unlike Obama who left a bunch of sore losers in government who tried their best to take him down. This has been the biggest witch hunt and act of treason against a sitting president our country has ever had.  You can not like him just like I couldn't stand Obama, but the acts against Trump by people inside our government that were huge supporters of Obama is treasonous.

 

 

Oh sweet baby Jesus tap dancing on a peed-on hooker bed, here we go with the MAGA crowd trying to use big words like "socialism" again without understanding what it means. I'd love to see what our poster thinks it means and why it's so evil...and if they're willing to tell the Social Security office that he doesn't need their money after all. If I'd have had a choice, I would never had paid into social security, but since I have, it is my right to take that "paid for benefit" when it is my time.  Unlike the people who get benefits and have never paid a nickel into it.  Had I been able to invest that same money I put in over my lifetime of work, I would have had a far bigger benefit today.  Where the heck do you think Social Security comes from anyway?  The government?  Or as one person getting government payments said, "it's Barack money."  Heck no it's my money, I paid into the system and it's part of my retirement plan.  

 

And as far as transparency goes, last time I checked, we still don't have Trump's tax returns made public, the White House isn't providing documentation requested in the course of an investigation, and Trump has committed numerous crimes, including obstruction of justice. I mean, I suppose to someone that's blind, this administration would look as transparent as any other, right?  Tax returns being release is an optional thing.  Past President did it on their own.  I can't imagine if most people would even understand a tax return of the nature and size of Donald Trump.  You should be more concerned that the most wealthy man in our country, pays no taxes and that's Jeff Bezos of Amazon, the guy that owns the far far left rag the Washington Post who weekly get info illegally from the CIA on false Trump reports.  There has been no obstruction or we would have heard about it long ago.  Just keep dreaming and have a sweet dream on that!  

 

Seriously, your views are really messed up and out of touch with reality. If you can actually get sane and learn how to discern fact from fiction, then by all means, we'd love to have you in our discussions. But as you are now...no, there are crazy homeless folks in Downtown Dallas that provide more coherent discussions. You talk about reality!  Are you in touch with reality yourself?  Most of the stuff you posted here is comical at best.  Heard it all before and read this crap on other leftist sites that just made me laugh.  I really feel sorry for folk that take such a dim view of what has gone on the last 2+ years and will continue for the six.  Factories are reopening, steel mills are coming back, Auto assembly plants are reopening, small business are being revived and a record number opened last year.  Black and Latino unemployment is at record lowers and everyone's wages are rising. What is it that you really want anyway? What is your utopia?  I know you don't like Trump, but he has help everyone with wages growing and a smaller tax bill putting more money in your pocket.  James Carville said that people vote with their pocket books and it looks like the pocket book are getting bigger and this doesn't help Democrats one bit. So what are they going to to do?  They will mis-characterize and make stuff up to hilt over the next many years.  The problem is, no one is buying the Democrat lies any longer.

Wow, I guess my posting got right under your skin.  For my response, check out the BOLD Red responses!  Have a wonderful day!  Sorry for any typos or bad grammar, I put this together very quickly!

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17 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said:

 

Wow...you know you're dealing with someone special when they opt out of using carriage returns and just assault you with a wall of text. 

 

Let's break it down:

 

 

Right--as long as there has been a free press, there have been people getting the story wrong and having to print/air retractions. That is nothing new, and the base standards for a credible story are still intact. And with the examples you gave, retractions were made. 

Conversely, since you're "MAGAnificent", I'm sure you're familiar with "news" sources that Trump supporters wrap themselves around: Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge Report, the Daily Caller. All of these "news" sources knowing pushed out misinformation as fact, and failed to retract any of it. For example: Have you seperated what is news and opinion on Fox.  Sure there is opinion, but their actual news is usually spot on and they do report it each way.  Breitbart I never read and haven't been to their site in 4-5 years, Drudge is now full on Liberal if you haven't notices and I wouldn't know much about the Daily Caller either

  • Newt Genrich went on Fox News and claimed DNC Staffer Seth Rich was assassinated after giving WikiLeaks all the documents and emails used by the DNC. 
    • This statement is undoubtedly false AF, and it was actually Newt regurgitating a news story Fox News concocted by taking quotes from a disgraced former homicide detective and twisting them into some perverse narrative. The story has been proven false even by Wheeler himself.  Do we really know for sure on that one yet.  Sounds like Arkancide to me!
    • Fox News has yet to retract their statements about this, and the narrative was especially painful for Seth Rich's parents, native Nebraskans from Omaha. I feel sorry for the parents, since no parent should have to deal with sort of thing.  Seth's parents are buying the story they were given.  That's fine, but the whole story hasn't been told by a long shot.
  • Breitbart accused an immigrant of starting the California fires in 2017, a story that was obviously scooped up by the likes of Fox News and their ilk, because it blames an immigrant (who cares if they're legal or not, AMIRITE?) of starting the fires and killing 40. 
    • The story was complete bulls***, made up by staffers. The guy *was* arrested for a smaller, separate arson case...but since immigrants are evil, and this guy committed arson, he must be guilty AF, right?
    • This story has yet to be retracted by Breitbart, and the narrative that an illegal alien started the CA fires (thus pwning the dirty libs) continues to pop up again and again like a retarded conservative version of whack-a-mole.  I don't buy Brietbart's story on this at all.  That's one of the reason I don't follow them!  The only thing I will say about the wild fires, the forest have not been managed correctly for generations.  Stuff happens.  I don't even remember how they were started!  Certainly a disaster that everyone would hope would never happen.

The difference I see is that while regular news outlets and sites may sometimes get something wrong, they strive to make things right and typically own up to anything they got wrong. Conversely, sites that aren't considered MSM routinely spout mistruths as fact, don't retract when they get something wrong, and sometimes even double down on what they got wrong if it fits the narrative they're trying to push. Outlets like Fox News, Breitbart, and their ilk are not only dangerous, but are traitors to our country by willingly pushing misinformation to citizens.   Are you saying that CNN and MSMBC don't do the this.  They are so deep in the weeds with the Democrats, I'll never forget Wolf Blitzer having a toast of champagne after Hillary was nominated.  Also the fact that most of the news people on those networks are married to people that where in the Obama Administration leaves no doubt that their is a very heavy bias for the Democrats.

 

 

Wow...I guess congratulations are in order, because you were finally able to bring together George Soros and the Koch Brothers, two extremely disparate groups of rich influences, to a common cause. Even though this is just in your mind and isn't in reality, I still feel congratulations are in order considering the mental gymnastics it would take to accept this notion. Sure they're political opposites, but still big players on the world scene and do pour tons of money into politics and buy votes and buying narratives on the news and other big network programs all the time.

 

 

Well, hell, if you had to explain Bill Clinton to your daughter, how did you explain having to buy off porn star escorts, escorts that gave Trump golden showers, and Trump sexually assaulting women (including underage, if we want to include pageant fiascoes in this). Oh wait, let me guess, you're okay with this s*** because it's your guy, right?  Well I didn't have to explain that one to her, since she is married and off on her own.  But you know what even she as a 30 year could see for herself what the Stormy Daniels thing was all about.  You know it's a fact that very very wealthy men and women get shaken down all the time in situations like this.  Heck I know Trump isn't perfect, but he did something like your saying he did it on his own time not in the oval office.  I compare what Bill Clinton did to getting a hummer right on the altar at church.  Also the attorney that Stormy had was joke, and in the end the Judge ordered Stormy to pay Trumps Attorney fees.  When money is involved bimbos appear all the time.  You should have realized by now when this crap is pulled on Trump it will never stick.

 

Seriously--if you have a problem with the Clinton blowjob in office but don't have a similar or greater level of contempt for Trump...well, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy, you might just be a hypocrite. Call me a hypocrite all you want I really don't care, what ever you think Trump has done has never been proven like Clinton's hummer was.  Oh boy now Jeff Foxworth and is a merchant of virtue?  Give me a break!!

 

 

Because he's a white supremacist and a serial sexual assaulter/misogynist?  Who just happens to have more women in high places and pays them equally to men and always has unlike Hillary Clinton, also Pastor Darrell Scott says Trump is the most Pro-Black President In My lifetime.  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/03/pastor_darrell_scott_trump_most_pro-black_president_in_my_lifetime.html   I hear those the words White Supremacist and Serial Sexual Assaulter/Misogynist and all I can think of is that usually the people that bring this crap are the ones doing it.    

 

 

Oh, which people, praytell? And no, Trump is nowhere close to perfect, but you've seriously been looking for an illiterate, ignorant, bankrupt fame-slut for 20 years to put in the White House? You must not have been looking too hard then...  Well he is an American Citizen that has had the ability to amass a wealth of around 12 Billion Dollars even after going bankrupt which many good people do.  I think he learned from it considering where he has come from and would say he is far from illiterate.  No dummy goes bankrupt then makes 12 billion.  

 

 

Oh there we go with the Uniparty talk again. Honestly, the only thing Trump has done is expose how depraved and hypocritical religious evangelicals and the modern day GOP are. But I suppose Trump has helped get voters out, especially Democrats and moderates who are embarrassed that there's a moron representing our interests. Well, the biggest moron this side of Ford, at any rate.  Trump has been dealt a huge mess and even before in office had people attempting to seditiously over throw the election.  He had the FBI and CIA attempting to frame him for something that has never happened and to your amazement 67% of the public do not support Impeachment.  The kitchen sink has been thrown him and the person you call a moron is still there and he will still be there all the way to January  2025 when he turns over power to who ever is elected unlike Obama who left a bunch of sore losers in government who tried their best to take him down. This has been the biggest witch hunt and act of treason against a sitting president our country has ever had.  You can not like him just like I couldn't stand Obama, but the acts against Trump by people inside our government that were huge supporters of Obama is treasonous.

 

 

Oh sweet baby Jesus tap dancing on a peed-on hooker bed, here we go with the MAGA crowd trying to use big words like "socialism" again without understanding what it means. I'd love to see what our poster thinks it means and why it's so evil...and if they're willing to tell the Social Security office that he doesn't need their money after all. If I'd have had a choice, I would never had paid into social security, but since I have, it is my right to take that "paid for benefit" when it is my time.  Unlike the people who get benefits and have never paid a nickel into it.  Had I been able to invest that same money I put in over my lifetime of work, I would have had a far bigger benefit today.  Where the heck do you think Social Security comes from anyway?  The government?  Or as one person getting government payments said, "it's Barack money."  Heck no it's my money, I paid into the system and it's part of my retirement plan.  

 

And as far as transparency goes, last time I checked, we still don't have Trump's tax returns made public, the White House isn't providing documentation requested in the course of an investigation, and Trump has committed numerous crimes, including obstruction of justice. I mean, I suppose to someone that's blind, this administration would look as transparent as any other, right?  Tax returns being release is an optional thing.  Past President did it on their own.  I can't imagine if most people would even understand a tax return of the nature and size of Donald Trump.  You should be more concerned that the most wealthy man in our country, pays no taxes and that's Jeff Bezos of Amazon, the guy that owns the far far left rag the Washington Post who weekly get info illegally from the CIA on false Trump reports.  There has been no obstruction or we would have heard about it long ago.  Just keep dreaming and have a sweet dream on that!  

 

Seriously, your views are really messed up and out of touch with reality. If you can actually get sane and learn how to discern fact from fiction, then by all means, we'd love to have you in our discussions. But as you are now...no, there are crazy homeless folks in Downtown Dallas that provide more coherent discussions. You talk about reality!  Are you in touch with reality yourself?  Most of the stuff you posted here is comical at best.  Heard it all before and read this crap on other leftist sites that just made me laugh.  I really feel sorry for folk that take such a dim view of what has gone on the last 2+ years and will continue for the six.  Factories are reopening, steel mills are coming back, Auto assembly plants are reopening, small business are being revived and a record number opened last year.  Black and Latino unemployment is at record lowers and everyone's wages are rising. What is it that you really want anyway? What is your utopia?  I know you don't like Trump, but he has help everyone with wages growing and a smaller tax bill putting more money in your pocket.  James Carville said that people vote with their pocket books and it looks like the pocket book are getting bigger and this doesn't help Democrats one bit. So what are they going to to do?  They will mis-characterize and make stuff up to hilt over the next many years.  The problem is, no one is buying the Democrat lies any longer.

 

 

I disagree.

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