NM11046 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I'll let others tackle some of your points, but I'll take the Quote Who just happens to have more women in high places and pays them equally to men and always has unlike Hillary Clinton, also Pastor Darrell Scott says Trump is the most Pro-Black President In My lifetime. You are wrong. Bigly. I went back as far as Reagan since you have referenced him. Source: http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/womenapptdtoprescabinets.pdf And as far as pay, I have ZERO idea where you got that impression. The pay gap between men and women has tripled in his admin vs. Obama. Quote The median female White House employee is drawing a salary of $72,650 in 2017, compared to the median male salary of $115,000. “The typical female staffer in Trump's White House earns 63.2 cents per $1 earned by a typical male staffer,” Perry writes. The 37 percent gender pay gap in President Trump's White House is more than double the 17 percent gender pay gap nationally. According to the Pew Research center, the Trump White House gender gap is wider than the national gender pay gap stood in 1980. Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/05/white-house-gender-pay-gap-more-than-triples-under-trump/?utm_term=.538d011cd196 https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-07-05/trump-white-house-pays-women-37-percent-less-than-men-report https://www.rollcall.com/politics/salary-data-show-gender-pay-gap-in-trump-white-house https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/05/pay-gap-white-house-37-economist-says/452858001/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news-other-administration/340712-gender-pay-gap-for-white-house-staff You have a daughter. You should be aware of this and care about it, as I promise she does. Edit: and that Pastor you reference works for Trump. 4 2 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 hours ago, MNBigRedNorth said: Wow, I guess my posting got right under your skin. For my response, check out the BOLD Red responses! Have a wonderful day! Sorry for any typos or bad grammar, I put this together very quickly! Got any evidence for any of those claims? NM already debunked the women in the WH issue. 3 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 9 hours ago, TGHusker said: Bingo - stop looking at the labels and just the issues. Evaluate the issues with your brain and heart wtout having to conform to some party litmus test or Trump litmus test and you will find your true center. It frees a person's mind when 'you don't have to ' interpret a policy based on someone else's preset bias. If I wasn't so lazy I'd post something backing this up, but it's pretty well established that most people can sit and talk actual issues all day long in a fairly reasonable manner, without becoming contentious. As soon as you start assigning labels and discussing groups (parties), people lose their minds and become much more emotional. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Quote Well I didn't have to explain that one to her, since she is married and off on her own. But you know what even she as a 30 year could see for herself what the Stormy Daniels thing was all about. You know it's a fact that very very wealthy men and women get shaken down all the time in situations like this. Heck I know Trump isn't perfect, but he did something like your saying he did it on his own time not in the oval office. I compare what Bill Clinton did to getting a hummer right on the altar at church. Also the attorney that Stormy had was joke, and in the end the Judge ordered Stormy to pay Trumps Attorney fees. When money is involved bimbos appear all the time. You should have realized by now when this crap is pulled on Trump it will never stick. So your issue is that Bill cheated in the Oval Office then, not that he cheated (and didn't pay to keep her quiet)? Poor Don, because he is rich all these people are out to get him? And your comment re: "bimbos" is offensive. I've tried to be open minded about your comments and feelings about things, but your misogyny is showing through real clear in the last post here MN. I see more and more each day why you support and like this man so much, and I don't think it has a thing to do with his political positions. Were you always like this and just found your guy and you're stoked? Or do you feel that you didn't know you had these characteristics until he took office and you saw that it was ok to show them in public? 3 Link to comment
MNBigRedNorth Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, NM11046 said: So your issue is that Bill cheated in the Oval Office then, not that he cheated (and didn't pay to keep her quiet)? Poor Don, because he is rich all these people are out to get him? And your comment re: "bimbos" is offensive. I've tried to be open minded about your comments and feelings about things, but your misogyny is showing through real clear in the last post here MN. I see more and more each day why you support and like this man so much, and I don't think it has a thing to do with his political positions. Were you always like this and just found your guy and you're stoked? Or do you feel that you didn't know you had these characteristics until he took office and you saw that it was ok to show them in public? I'm sorry you feel that way about the word bimbo. I guess I should have said an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman. Your taking this term as a word used against ALL women is just your sensitivity of the issue showing through. Is it Donald Trumps fault that women do this sort of thing to him or for that matter they do it to anyone. Your being quite naive if you don't think that it does happen. As for misogyny, give me a break. This word is so over used in today's society. Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. The use of the word bimbo can also be used as term for a man that does the same thing as the woman. Here is that definition: a foolish, stupid, or inept person. a man or fellow, often a disreputable or contemptible one. I have absolutely no contempt for women at all. I even see a female MD as my primary Doctor. She is very intelligent and knows her stuff. I also have a female attorney and respect her opinion and advise. She helped my wife and I when doing a very complicated estate involving a farm sale. The term misogyny is so over used and is only the big fall back term today and along with calling everything racist that the left uses to attack people when they THINK they see something. You only know Donald Trump through the lens you chose to see him through. Sounds like the echo chamber here has been your lens. I haven't said one word here what I do for a living. I have practiced my profession for 42 years. I do serve the general public, people of all faiths, both men and women and people of all walks of life. I doubt that anyone would have a clue what I do, I will only say that I have a licences to practice this profession and I'm not a Barber! To be called a misogynist is such a huge mis-characterization of who I am and really quite offensive. You think the use one word with a definition of exact the type of person to be described makes a person a misogynist? You need to get out a little more and leave this echo chamber! 2 2 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said: I'm sorry you feel that way about the word bimbo. I guess I should have said an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman. Your taking this term as a word used against ALL women is just your sensitivity of the issue showing through. Is it Donald Trumps fault that women do this sort of thing to him or for that matter they do it to anyone. Your being quite naive if you don't think that it does happen. As for misogyny, give me a break. This word is so over used in today's society. Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. The use of the word bimbo can also be used as term for a man that does the same thing as the woman. Here is that definition: a foolish, stupid, or inept person. a man or fellow, often a disreputable or contemptible one. I have absolutely no contempt for women at all. I even see a female MD as my primary Doctor. She is very intelligent and knows her stuff. I also have a female attorney and respect her opinion and advise. She helped my wife and I when doing a very complicated estate involving a farm sale. The term misogyny is so over used and is only the big fall back term today and along with calling everything racist that the left uses to attack people when they THINK they see something. You only know Donald Trump through the lens you chose to see him through. Sounds like the echo chamber here has been your lens. I haven't said one word here what I do for a living. I have practiced my profession for 42 years. I do serve the general public, people of all faiths, both men and women and people of all walks of life. I doubt that anyone would have a clue what I do, I will only say that I have a licences to practice this profession and I'm not a Barber! To be called a misogynist is such a huge mis-characterization of who I am and really quite offensive. You think the use one word with a definition of exact the type of person to be described makes a person a misogynist? You need to get out a little more and leave this echo chamber! Well you actively support a misogynist. You may not be one, but Trump is. I'm sorry but "grab her by the...." is most definitely very misogynistic Also I like your 'I have a black friend' approach to defending yourself 3 1 Link to comment
Ulty Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said: I'm sorry you feel that way about the word bimbo. I guess I should have said an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman. Your taking this term as a word used against ALL women is just your sensitivity of the issue showing through. Is it Donald Trumps fault that women do this sort of thing to him or for that matter they do it to anyone. Your being quite naive if you don't think that it does happen. As for misogyny, give me a break. This word is so over used in today's society. Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. The use of the word bimbo can also be used as term for a man that does the same thing as the woman. Here is that definition: a foolish, stupid, or inept person. a man or fellow, often a disreputable or contemptible one. I have absolutely no contempt for women at all. I even see a female MD as my primary Doctor. She is very intelligent and knows her stuff. I also have a female attorney and respect her opinion and advise. She helped my wife and I when doing a very complicated estate involving a farm sale. The term misogyny is so over used and is only the big fall back term today and along with calling everything racist that the left uses to attack people when they THINK they see something. You only know Donald Trump through the lens you chose to see him through. Sounds like the echo chamber here has been your lens. I haven't said one word here what I do for a living. I have practiced my profession for 42 years. I do serve the general public, people of all faiths, both men and women and people of all walks of life. I doubt that anyone would have a clue what I do, I will only say that I have a licences to practice this profession and I'm not a Barber! To be called a misogynist is such a huge mis-characterization of who I am and really quite offensive. You think the use one word with a definition of exact the type of person to be described makes a person a misogynist? You need to get out a little more and leave this echo chamber! It is an offensive and misogynistic term, period. It doesn't carry the same weight as perhaps the n-word or the f-word, but it is a belittling term against women nonetheless. That you are going to such great efforts to minimize it is telling. You may or may not be a misogynist yourself, but you throw all of your political support behind a man who is very demonstratively a misogynist. And you trying to turn it back around on those who point it out is, shall we say, deplorable. And using the defense that you have a female doctor and female attorney is on par with saying you can't be racist because you have a black friend. Don't talk to us about mischaracterizing who you are - you are the one who has made the choice to support a vile human being and you are the one who made the choice to show your a$$ to us by bursting onto this message board with vitriol, lies, and inflammatory rhetoric. 2 2 1 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Quote I'm sorry you feel that way about the word bimbo - it's not about my "feelings". It's offensive and derogatory. I guess I should have said an attractive but unintelligent or frivolous young woman - or you could just say "woman". Your taking this term as a word used against ALL women is just your sensitivity of the issue showing through - nope. Is it Donald Trumps fault that women do this sort of thing to him or for that matter they do it to anyone. Your being quite naive if you don't think that it does happen - why do you assume it's the woman's fault and that she pursued him? This is a man that has blatantly cheated on all his three wives, has publicly made comments about women personally and as a whole. He has shown time and time again he has zero regard for woman other than how they can please and satisfy him. As for misogyny, give me a break. This word is so over used in today's society - I think it's used appropriately, people like you are just pissed that it's more acceptable for people to call others out on it. Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. Yes. Thank you. The use of the word bimbo can also be used as term for a man that does the same thing as the woman. Ummmm, perhaps, but I've never heard it. Just like I've never heard a man referred to as shrill. Here is that definition: a foolish, stupid, or inept person. a man or fellow, often a disreputable or contemptible one. I have absolutely no contempt for women at all. I even see a female MD as my primary Doctor. She is very intelligent and knows her stuff. I also have a female attorney and respect her opinion and advise. She helped my wife and I when doing a very complicated estate involving a farm sale. Others have commented on what you've done here, but to clarify, just because you see a female doctor/attny does not take away the chance that you are misogynistic. The term misogyny is so over used and is only the big fall back term today and along with calling everything racist that the left uses to attack people when they THINK they see something. You only know Donald Trump through the lens you chose to see him through. Sounds like the echo chamber here has been your lens. I haven't said one word here what I do for a living. I have practiced my profession for 42 years. I do serve the general public, people of all faiths, both men and women and people of all walks of life. I doubt that anyone would have a clue what I do, I will only say that I have a licences to practice this profession and I'm not a Barber! To be called a misogynist is such a huge mis-characterization of who I am and really quite offensive. You think the use one word with a definition of exact the type of person to be described makes a person a misogynist? You need to get out a little more and leave this echo chamber! It doesn't matter what you do for a living professionally, who you interact with. What you've shown me on this board is a number of comments that are offensive and belittling to women. Instead of mansplaining things to me and others here, perhaps look in the mirror and take the feedback for what it is. It may save you some grief down the line. 2 Link to comment
MNBigRedNorth Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Ulty said: It is an offensive and misogynistic term, period. It doesn't carry the same weight as perhaps the n-word or the f-word, but it is a belittling term against women nonetheless. That you are going to such great efforts to minimize it is telling. You may or may not be a misogynist yourself, but you throw all of your political support behind a man who is very demonstratively a misogynist. And you trying to turn it back around on those who point it out is, shall we say, deplorable. And using the defense that you have a female doctor and female attorney is on par with saying you can't be racist because you have a black friend. Don't talk to us about mischaracterizing who you are - you are the one who has made the choice to support a vile human being and you are the one who made the choice to show your a$$ to us by bursting onto this message board with vitriol, lies, and inflammatory rhetoric. So would you rather I use the definition? There has to be a correct verb to describe accurately what is being conveyed! The word misogynist is also very offensive to all men from my view point! There are always two sides to very argument. By all accounts this person you call vile is your view point and opinion. There are vile parts of the make up of every human being because a life was lived. I challenge everyone to reflect on their life and tell me there was never something they did that wasn't vile and something they wish they could have done differently or never done at all. The fact that he is a multi billionaire makes him much more visible to the public and an open book. True politicians are just better at hiding their dirt. 1 1 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, MNBigRedNorth said: So would you rather I use the definition? There has to be a correct verb to describe accurately what is being conveyed! The word misogynist is also very offensive to all men from my view point! There are always two sides to very argument. By all accounts this person you call vile is your view point and opinion. There are vile parts of the make up of every human being because a life was lived. I challenge everyone to reflect on their life and tell me there was never something they did that wasn't vile and something they wish they could have done differently or never done at all. The fact that he is a multi billionaire makes him much more visible to the public and an open book. True politicians are just better at hiding their dirt. He said and I quote " grab them by the pu&&y, you can do anything" in reference to women. That is by definition Misogynistic and there is no way you can say otherwise! These words came directly out of Trumps mouth. He is a misogynist plain and simple! Link to comment
Ulty Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 8:42 AM, Ulty said: 1. What does "Make America Great Again" mean to you? 2. What values do conservatives and/or the Republican party currently stand for? 3. What are some of your personal values? 4. Since you used the word "diversity" here, what does that word mean to you - not only in terms of political thought, as well as cultural, ethnic, racial, socio-economic (etc) diversity? @MNBigRedNorth 2 Link to comment
Popular Post NM11046 Posted March 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2019 1991 "You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of a$$." 1992 Katarina Witt: "Wonderful looking while on the ice but up close and personal, she could only be described as attractive if you like a woman with a bad complexion who is built like a linebacker". In an interview with New York Magazine, Trump uttered this charming phrase about women: 'You have to treat 'em like s----'. 1994 “I have days where, if I come home — and I don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist,” the President said, “but when I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof.” “I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing,” said Trump. “Unfortunately, after they're a star, the fun is over for me. It's like a creation process. It's almost like creating a building. It's pretty sad.” "Well, I think that she's got a lot of Marla. She's a really beautiful baby, and she's got Marla's legs." Motioning to his chest, Trump added: "We don't know whether she's got this part yet, but time will tell." 1997 “There are basically three types of women and reactions (to prenumpts). One is the good woman who very much loves her future husband, solely for himself, but refuses to sign the agreement on principle. I fully understand this, but the man should take a pass anyway and find someone else. The other is the calculating woman who refuses to sign the prenuptial agreement because she is expecting to take advantage of the poor, unsuspecting sucker she’s got in her grasp. There is also the woman who will openly and quickly sign a prenuptial agreement in order to make a quick hit and take the money given to her.” ‘How are you going to change the pageant?’ I said ‘I’m going to get the bathing suits to be smaller and the heels to be higher’.” He later added: "If you’re looking for a rocket scientist, don’t tune in tonight, but if you’re looking for a really beautiful woman, you should watch.” "Women have one of the great acts of all time. The smart ones act very feminine and needy, but inside they are real killers. The person who came up with the expression 'the weaker sex' was either very naive or had to be kidding. I have seen women manipulate men with just a twitch of their eye — or perhaps another body part." "There's nothing I love more than women, but they're really a lot different than portrayed. They are far worse than men, far more aggressive, and boy, can they be smart!" 1999 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.” '"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I'm more honest and my women are more beautiful." 2003 "You know who's one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody? And I helped create her. Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She's 6 feet tall, she's got the best body. She made a lot money as a model—a tremendous amount" 2004 "All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected." "You never get to the face because the body's so good." "What do you think of Lindsay Lohan? There's something there, right? But you have to like freckles. I've seen a close-up of her chest. And a lot of freckles. Are you into freckles? ... She's probably deeply troubled, and therefore great in bed. How come the deeply troubled women — deeply, deeply troubled — they're always the best in bed?" “It's certainly not groundbreaking news that the early victories by the women on The Apprentice were, to a very large extent, dependent on their sex appeal." 2005 When asked if he would stay with her if she was disfigured in a car crash: "How do the breasts look?" On whether he's had sex with a black woman: "Well, it depends on what your definition of black is." "I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pu&&y. You can do anything." 2006 “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” “Rosie O'Donnell is disgusting, both inside and out. If you take a look at her, she's a slob. How does she even get on television? If I were running The View, I'd fire Rosie. I'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers and say, 'Rosie, you're fired.' We're all a little chubby but Rosie's just worse than most of us. But it's not the chubbiness - Rosie is a very unattractive person, both inside and out. Rosie's a person who's very lucky to have her girlfriend. And she better be careful or I'll send one of my friends over to pick up her girlfriend, why would she stay with Rosie if she had another choice?" "Can you imagine the parents of Kelli ... when she said, 'Mom, Dad, I just fell in love with a big, fat pig named Rosie?'" 2007 "Beauty and elegance, whether in a woman, a building, or a work of art, is not just superficial or something pretty to see." “I really understand beauty. And I will tell you, she's not - I do own Miss Universe. I do own Miss USA. I mean I own a lot of different things. I do understand beauty, and she's not." "They’ll walk up, and they’ll flip their top, and they’ll flip their panties.” Trump added that he had 'been with women with extraordinarily bad breast jobs' and 'pancake tits'. He finished by saying that any woman who has a breast reduction is 'insane'. 2008 "So when he had plenty of money, she liked him. But then after that, not as good, right? "Oftentimes when I was sleeping with one of the top women in the world I would say to myself, thinking about me as a boy from Queens, 'Can you believe what I am getting?'" 2010 “He asked the men to rate the women - he went down the line and asked the guys, ‘Who’s the most beautiful on the women’s team?’" Gene Folkes, a 46-year-old financial adviser, said: “I think it was most uncomfortable when he had one [female] contestant come around the board table and twirl around.” 2011 Trump was in court testifying in a deposition over a failed Florida real estate project when lawyer Elizabeth Beck asked to take a break to breastfeed her three-month old daughter. The property mogul and his team objected, so she pulled out her breast pump to prove it. In an incident that Trump "does not dispute", he walked out of the room, telling Beck she was "disgusting". After New York Times columnist Gail Collins wrote about rumours of Trump’s bankruptcy, he sent her a copy of her own article, with her picture circled and "the face of a dog!" scrawled across it. 2012 Ariana Huffman is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man- he made a good decision. Asked by Williams what she and her father had in common, Ivanka replied "either real estate or golf." Trump said: "Well, I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that to her" - pointing at his mortified daughter "Cher is somewhat of a loser. She's lonely. She's unhappy. She's very miserable." "I promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn't work." "BetteMidler talks about my hair but I'm not allowed to talk about her ugly face or body --- so I won't. Is this a double standard?" [ 2013 "26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together? "She's certainly not hot." "Does she have a good body? No. Does she have a fat a$$? Absolutely." 2014 To a female reporter: "We could say, politically correct, that look doesn't matter, but the look obviously matters. Like you wouldn't have your job if you weren't beautiful." 2015 How much money is the extremely unattractive (both inside and out) Arianna Huffington paying her poor ex-hubby for the use of his name? "If Hillary can't satisfy her husband why would anybody think she could satisfy America?" "Fox viewers give low marks to bimbo @MegynKelly will consider other programs!" "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever." “Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.” "Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next President? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" "She got schlonged." On Clinton taking a bathroom break at a Democratic debate: "I know where she went, it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it … No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting." 2016 "Amazing that Crooked Hillary can do a hit ad on me concerning women when her husband was the WORST abuser of woman in U.S. political history" "She was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was real problem for us." "If she were a man, I don't think she'd get five percent of the vote." "Did Crooked“Now, somebody who a lot of people don’t give credit to but in actuality is really beautiful is Paris Hilton. I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12, her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into the room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’” Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?" "Such a nasty woman." 2017 "Go ahead. Come here, come here. Where are you from? We have all of this beautiful Irish press. “She has a nice smile on her face so I bet she treats you well," the President was recorded as saying to Varadkar. "I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!" As they were saying their good-byes, Mr Trump turned to Ms Trogneux and gestured toward her body. "You know, you're in such good shape," Trump said, before repeating the observation to her husband. "Beautiful," he added. 2018 "Horseface" . "An extraordinarily low IQ person." "A crazed, crying lowlife" and a "dog." "It is a very scary time for young men in America, where you can be guilty of something you may not be guilty of. … Women are doing great." "You've got to deny, deny, deny and push back on these women. If you admit to anything and any culpability, then you're dead. … You've got to be strong. You've got to be aggressive. You've got to push back hard. You've got to deny anything that's said about you. Never admit." Just a taste - I'm working so don't have time for more, but you get the idea. 7 4 Link to comment
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