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5 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

I think people do whatever the opposite of kids gloves is when it comes to AOC. She’s criticized a lot more than is deserved for a lot less than other politicians. Some of it’s deserved, and maybe this is, but it just gets old.

 

She has been called out by conservatives/upset constituents multiple times at her town halls (which she has way more of than other politicians) and actually says she enjoys the dialogue with people who disagree with her.  Which is another trait of hers that I think will help her down the road in politics.

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Except it doesn't hit on the main theme of the topic at all. Why not 'AOCs thoughts of the VA' or anything referring to the VA? Do we have a thread titled 'Donald Trump'? In my opinion the title is just trying to take a shot instead of direct our attention to the actual issue. Looking at the other thread started by this poster it becomes clear their motive isn't to start legitimate discussion about complex topics like the VA.

 

I view that as a pretty nit picky complaint.  

 

Politicians from all over the spectrum are called out from the other side on issues if they are the ones that are vocal about the issue.  She happens to be very vocal and so she's called out from the other side.

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6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I view that as a pretty nit picky complaint.  

 

Politicians from all over the spectrum are called out from the other side on issues if they are the ones that are vocal about the issue.  She happens to be very vocal and so she's called out from the other side.

Im just saying in my opinion it takes away from the discussion and has the potential to devolve into a catch all on AOC. Its fine and maybe it is a bit nit picky but I don't see any other topic titles like this. I also find the tag funny considering AOC is a congresswoman. This kind of is her lane but I digress. Carry on

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11 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Im just saying in my opinion it takes away from the discussion and has the potential to devolve into a catch all on AOC. Its fine and maybe it is a bit nit picky but I don't see any other topic titles like this. I also find the tag funny considering AOC is a congresswoman. This kind of is her lane but I digress. Carry on

 

I just find it interesting that for some reason, people seem to think they need to come to the rescue of AOC.  She's a new politician that is very vocal about many things and some of her views can come across as naive.  When that happens, the other side is going to jump on her about that.  That's just life.  I don't see the same level of coming to the rescue with other politicians.  

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12 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I just find it interesting that for some reason, people seem to think they need to come to the rescue of AOC.  She's a new politician that is very vocal about many things and some of her views can come across as naive.  When that happens, the other side is going to jump on her about that.  That's just life.  I don't see the same level of coming to the rescue with other politicians.  

I don't need to rescue aoc. I don't care. But this isn't about aoc in particular. The thread title could be 'Mike Pence' with a tag stayinyourlane and a quote from him about gay marriage in the OP and I would likely bring up the same issue. Again, there is no other thread in this forum with someones name soley as the title so its not like this is happening with any other politicians. If it was I would likely voice the same concerns. It may be petty but I just don't see it as constructive to discussion.

 

That is unless we want this thread to be a cortez catch all and not a VA discussion. In that case the thread title is fine, I'm just surprised OP stopped with 1 quote. 

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13 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I don't need to rescue aoc. I don't care. But this isn't about aoc in particular. The thread title could be 'Mike Pence' with a tag stayinyourlane and a quote from him about gay marriage in the OP and I would likely bring up the same issue. Again, there is no other thread in this forum with someones name soley as the title so its not like this is happening with any other politicians. If it was I would likely voice the same concerns. It may be petty but I just don't see it as constructive to discussion.

 

That is unless we want this thread to be a cortez catch all and not a VA discussion. In that case the thread title is fine, I'm just surprised OP stopped with 1 quote. 

And, I wouldn't have a problem with that title either.

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The GOP and conservative press are very good about messaging because they keep it very simple. If the conversation is about gun control, the buzzword is "Chicago," home of Barack Obama and black-on-black violence. If it's any perceived threat on Capitalism, it's this big mouth girl bartender and socialist who wants to ban airplanes and beef. Prior to AOC, you just shouted "Venezuela!" a lot.

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2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I see no problem with him pointing out AOC's comments.  We all do it all the time with other government officials on other issues.  Why have kid gloves with her?

 

It represents an inconsistency in outrage. AOC is an easy target because walks is somewhat right. It's fine if the VA is the actual thing he's focused on, but it seems more that a leftie politician talking about the VA is more interesting.

 

 

36 minutes ago, knapplc said:

When the tag on the thread is "stay in your lane," it's pretty clear the OP intended this thread to be about AOC. I think most of us trying to have a legit conversation on the merits & troubles of the VA are off-topic. :D

 

Agreed.

 

 

26 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I just find it interesting that for some reason, people seem to think they need to come to the rescue of AOC.  

 

Personally I feel no need to come to her rescue, but I am interested in pointing out the inconsistent standards of people who like to go after her.

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1 hour ago, Moiraine said:

I think people do whatever the opposite of kids gloves is when it comes to AOC. She’s criticized a lot more than is deserved for a lot less than other politicians. Some of it’s deserved, and maybe this is, but it just gets old.

I think that will only help her and make her more popular.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I've said that I'm more than willing to look honestly at Medicare for all.  

 

And, yes, I fully agree that we need a certain level of VA for specific veteran specific issues like PTSD.  But, a veteran shouldn't have to drive past a very good hospital that has specialists in diabetes to drive two more hours to the VA.

I agree with you. I was adding that M4A would complement the VA and help with a lot of the issues with things like distance and where care is available.

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