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I'm all for not kicking someone to the curb and trying to help the kids that need it. The staff accepted his commitment with huge grade issues and helped him qualify given his tough situation and all the transfers and such.

 

The staff stuck by him with national media attention regarding a felony charge for child porn and put him in touch with solid legal counsel. Now he put himself and the University in a deeper hole for some weed.

 

This isn't about my legal stance on bud. This is about keeping your nose clean and not smoking some bud until your charges are cleared up. Instead, he put himself and the University in a worse place. It's a character concern and isn't the leadership the staff preaches.

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37 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

He won’t be punished by NU for the California thing as he wasn’t even enrolled yet. Do you really think Frost wants to start a precedent of retroactive punishment for what players did before being a Husker?

 

 

If Frost found out a player did something awful before joining the team, it would be perfectly reasonable at that point to kick him off the team because he found out the player wasn't who he thought he was. You could argue the player misrepresented himself or lied by omission.

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It just shows he continues to make dumb decisions.  FYI I am all for legal weed (never done it myself).  Its like what is next.  I dont think he needs kicked off the team but I see him suspended for a game or two just to make a point as a coaching staff we aren't messing around.

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5 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

If Frost found out a player did something awful before joining the team, it would be perfectly reasonable at that point to kick him off the team because he found out the player wasn't who he thought he was. You could argue the player misrepresented himself or lied by omission.

We’ll of course if he killed someone or committed assault, rape or robbery, etc. I wasn’t referring to obvious criminal activity. 

 

This is is not the case here. 

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Just now, Decoy73 said:

We’ll of course if he killed someone or committed assault, rape or robbery, etc. I wasn’t referring to obvious criminal activity. 

 

This is is not the case here. 

 

 

The point is I don't think it's relevant whether it's retroactive or not. It would be reasonable for Frost to treat it the same either way.

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I'd like the team to handle the punishment. They should make training and practice a living hell for MO, maybe take away his locker and nice equipment until he earns the team trust again.

 

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41 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

He had signed his LOI, so yes, he was a part of the program. 

Debatable at best. I’m not going to waste time arguing about that. 

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2 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

The point is I don't think it's relevant whether it's retroactive or not. It would be reasonable for Frost to treat it the same either way.

I disagree. Do you think Frost wants to be the coach who punishes for past indiscretions which occurred prior to a player being on campus?  Iowa and Wisky coaches would have a hay day negatively recruiting against us for that. All the bad press and likely embarrassment Mo has gotten from the California thing is punishment enough IMO. 

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1 hour ago, Decoy73 said:

He won’t be punished by NU for the California thing as he wasn’t even enrolled yet. Do you really think Frost wants to start a precedent of retroactive punishment for what players did before being a Husker?   

To be fair, mistakes made in your past can and often will be held against you in the present. How many celebrities and politicians do we have to look at for this evidence? Frost would be well within his right to issue some of kind team-related punishment. At the very least, he brought negative publicity to the program and his teammates, along with a slew of other logistical and PR headaches.

 

4 hours ago, Frostberg said:

Did everyone forget that Stanly Morgan and Antonio Reed got arrested for possession?

But, neither of them were facing a felony and misdemeanor charge for a separate crime. I think we have to be cognizant and realistic about what the law currently says about marijuana in Nebraska, and MW violated that law. Add this into the California case and it's just a big a$$ face palm.

 

Personally, I don't care if people smoke weed recreationally, but this is a pretty dumb move on MW's part. IMO he has to be better than that given his whole situation.

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38 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

If Frost found out a player did something awful before joining the team, it would be perfectly reasonable at that point to kick him off the team because he found out the player wasn't who he thought he was. You could argue the player misrepresented himself or lied by omission.

You must be wanting Sunday school teachers.  Just kidding I agree.  Of course if issues from the past come up they may have an impact on your status as a husker.

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10 minutes ago, Enhance said:

To be fair, mistakes made in your past can and often will be held against you in the present. How many celebrities and politicians do we have to look at for this evidence? Apples to Oranges comparo.  Mo's at a19yr old true freshman college athlete who may have violated a ridiculous CA law before enrolling here.  Not even close to what we hear about celebrities and politicians.  

 

 

Frost would be well within his right to issue some of kind team-related punishment. Sure, Frost can do whatever he wants here.  I never said he couldn't.  I just don't think he'll go there. We'll find out eventually.  

 

 

At the very least, he brought negative publicity to the program and his teammates, along with a slew of other logistical and PR headaches.  Overstated IMO. I'm sure not too many people outside of some Husker fans will care too much about this latest "incident".  I doubt his teammates are concerned with this "negative" pub.  More likely, they're going to support their brother. Maybe he'll run some stadium stairs or get a talk'in to, but they won't kick him to the curb like so many HB members want to.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

Mo's at a19yr old true freshman college athlete who may have violated a ridiculous CA law before enrolling here.

 

 

The law isn't ridiculous. IMO, cases like this weren't the intent of the law (he sent the video to her, not to other people), but the law should exist. Revenge porn can do a lot of damage to a person and there should be serious consequences for it.

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4 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

The law isn't ridiculous. IMO, cases like this weren't the intent of the law (he sent the video to her, not to other people), but the law should exist. Revenge porn can do a lot of damage to a person and there should be serious consequences for it.

I have a big problem with the reliance on "intent" that this law has. If the law should exist then why isn't it universally adopted by other states?   It's too vague and near impossible to prove guilt without making assumptions.  I think laws like this that approach First Amendment discussions should be determined at the federal level.  

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20 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

The law isn't ridiculous. IMO, cases like this weren't the intent of the law (he sent the video to her, not to other people), but the law should exist. Revenge porn can do a lot of damage to a person and there should be serious consequences for it.

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What if he was just holding it for a friend.

 

 

 

OK. I've decided I'll come clean in the morning.

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2 hours ago, Decoy73 said:

We’ll of course if he killed someone or committed assault, rape or robbery, etc. I wasn’t referring to obvious criminal activity. 

 

This is is not the case here. 

:blink:

 

He's literally been charge with a crime, plead not guilty, and has a court date set.

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1 hour ago, Decoy73 said:

I have a big problem with the reliance on "intent" that this law has. If the law should exist then why isn't it universally adopted by other states?   It's too vague and near impossible to prove guilt without making assumptions.  I think laws like this that approach First Amendment discussions should be determined at the federal level.  

 

 

The internet is fairly new. As times change, there are new reasons to add laws. Revenge porn law is directly related to how easily this stuff can get disseminated to hundreds/thousands/millions of people. That wasn't possible to this extent or even close to it 20 years ago. California is just the first state to have one. If other states think it ends up working well in California, I'm sure it will be adopted by more of them.

And that is not at all what I meant by intent. I was talking about the intent of the law, not the intent of people posting videos of naked people. The intent of the law is to punish people who post porn videos of others in order to get revenge on them. IMO, the intent of the law was not to punish people for sending a video back to the person in said video. However if Washington thought it was sexual assault (I don't think he did), then the law should apply here too, imo. And there are cut and dried cases where you can prove guilt if you have access to comments made by the parties posting the videos.

 

If you think posting porn without the subjects' permission is a freedom of speech issue, I don't know that it's worth discussing with you anymore.

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God I would love to know the overlap of people explaining how dumb and idiotic Maurice is for smoking weed who are also parents who drank alcohol in high school and/or have kids that they don't mind drinking in high school.

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4 hours ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

The internet is fairly new. As times change, there are new reasons to add laws. Revenge porn law is directly related to how easily this stuff can get disseminated to hundreds/thousands/millions of people. That wasn't possible to this extent or even close to it 20 years ago. California is just the first state to have one. If other states think it ends up working well in California, I'm sure it will be adopted by more of them.

And that is not at all what I meant by intent. I was talking about the intent of the law, not the intent of people posting videos of naked people. The intent of the law is to punish people who post porn videos of others in order to get revenge on them. IMO, the intent of the law was not to punish people for sending a video back to the person in said video. However if Washington thought it was sexual assault (I don't think he did), then the law should apply here too, imo. And there are cut and dried cases where you can prove guilt if you have access to comments made by the parties posting the videos.

 

If you think posting porn without the subjects' permission is a freedom of speech issue, I don't know that it's worth discussing with you anymore.

The revenge porn law is poorly written - for the reasons with the intent of the law being lost as you point out. Mo’s biggest legal problem is the child porn charge though.

 

Either way, getting busted on the weed paraphernalia is minor as well. But I do think he should/will get punished 1 game, possibly 2 (1 for each offense). 

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5 hours ago, Landlord said:

God I would love to know the overlap of people explaining how dumb and idiotic Maurice is for smoking weed who are also parents who drank alcohol in high school and/or have kids that they don't mind drinking in high school.

Me too!

 

The "cool" thing now...parents that host after prom parties but take the kids keys...and let them drink in their house.

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I shake my head at this, not because of the severity of the crime, but because of the poor judgment shown when everyone knows that the spotlight is on him. This is nowhere close to LP, but you better pull your head out of your dumb a$$ and start thinking about the choices you make and how they reflect on you and your team. Weed paraphernalia may be small potatoes in the whole scheme of things, but this is how you erode trust. 

 

We have a wave of positive press and good hype going into the season. The biggest black eye during the offseason so far has been Maurice Washington, and now he's brought it on himself again.

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You send a message with your actions as a leader.  Is it OK to sit up in those posh dorms and smoke weed if you are a Nebraska Cornhusker football player?  Is that what teams do when they are trying to climb to the top?  

I'd give him a 5 game suspension and see what the new kids can do.  If they crank out  like 6.1 ypc and catch well, I think I'd make that a permanent suspension in the form of a warm bench seat.  Wait for him to screw up again or walk. Yank his schollie.

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10 hours ago, Enhance said:

But, neither of them were facing a felony and misdemeanor charge for a separate crime. I think we have to be cognizant and realistic about what the law currently says about marijuana in Nebraska, and MW violated that law. Add this into the California case and it's just a big a$$ face palm.

 

Personally, I don't care if people smoke weed recreationally, but this is a pretty dumb move on MW's part. IMO he has to be better than that given his whole situation.

 

My comment was made in response to (what seemed like) a majority saying "he's gone" early in this thread. The point I was trying to make was that Morgan and Reed were charged with felony possession, those charges were later dropped and not much punishment (publicly) came of it.

 

Anything can happen with Washington's charges - plea deals, dropped charges, convictions, etc. and we don't know how its all going to play out. What if his Cali charges are dropped (unlikely, I know) and all he is left with is a paraphernalia charge. Do we still want him kicked off the team? The only thing we can do as a fan base is reserve judgment until this all goes through the court system.

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7 hours ago, Landlord said:

God I would love to know the overlap of people explaining how dumb and idiotic Maurice is for smoking weed who are also parents who drank alcohol in high school and/or have kids that they don't mind drinking in high school.

It's one thing to smoke some weed. It's another thing entirely to do so as a high profile football player already under scutiny due to an ongoing trial in California. Everybody makes mistakes, but I'm not sure its the same as drinking in high school. Maybe drinking in high school after you got mipped a week ago.

 

That said I don't think Mo gets booted pending the results of his trial. A few games suspension will be all we see.

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6 hours ago, Landlord said:

God I would love to know the overlap of people explaining how dumb and idiotic Maurice is for smoking weed who are also parents who drank alcohol in high school and/or have kids that they don't mind drinking in high school.

 

This is a silly thing to wonder about. I drank in HS and fairly heavily in college. I smoked weed and also tried quite a few other illegal drugs. I am not too concerned if my kids drink or smoke some weed before they're 21. None of this has any bearing whatsoever on thinking what Mo did in this specific situation was stupid or not. I and my kids do not play football for Nebraska and we have not already been charged with felony that is this far undecided. What makes this stupid is he is already under a microscope, he represents a team and coach (not just himself) and for gosh sakes, if you're going to smoke weed in Nebraska, don't friggin get caught. It's not that hard. None of the things he's done are that bad on their own but it is beginning to display a pattern and that pattern is not making good decisions and not doing smart things and not operating in the best interests of his team.

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@Decoy73

 

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Apples to Oranges comparo.  Mo's at a19yr old true freshman college athlete who may have violated a ridiculous CA law before enrolling here.  Not even close to what we hear about celebrities and politicians.

Analogies don't come with the prerequisite of having to be exact 1:1 comparisons. The point is your past can obviously haunt your present and your future, so I don't see the reason in trying to obfuscate that. We see it happen all the time in all kinds of industries and people with all sorts of backgrounds.

 

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Sure, Frost can do whatever he wants here.  I never said he couldn't.  I just don't think he'll go there. We'll find out eventually. 

You're correct in that we'll find out eventually. I personally think the outcome of the California case will have an impact on any potential team-related punishment, but even if he's cleared, I wouldn't be surprised to see Frost/the team hand down some sort of reprimand on him.

 

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Overstated IMO. I'm sure not too many people outside of some Husker fans will care too much about this latest "incident".  I doubt his teammates are concerned with this "negative" pub.  More likely, they're going to support their brother. Maybe he'll run some stadium stairs or get a talk'in to, but they won't kick him to the curb like so many HB members want to.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the opinion that it's overstated. There's nothing objectively positive or neutral about being arrested and charged with a felony, regardless of personal opinions on the law. The law he stands accused of violating in CA is in place for a very, very good reason, even if it's being applied in sort of a unique way.

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Honestly, I don't think much comes of this (or his CA legal troubles).  He's going to continue getting breaks until his talent no longer outweighs the headaches he causes (or Nebraska has a proven commodity that can replace him.)

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Man am I glad all the stupid stuff I did as a young guy in high school and college were not plastered on today's social media platform so people to judge. Young guy doing some stupid things. Find me a grown a$$ adult that wasnt stupid when they were a kid. 

 

In a few months when he is streaking down the sideline against Ohio State for an 80 yard TD no one will give a crap he probably smoked some dope in his dorm room in June.

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11 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Man am I glad all the stupid stuff I did as a young guy in high school and college were not plastered on today's social media platform so people to judge. Young guy doing some stupid things. Find me a grown a$$ adult that wasnt stupid when they were a kid. 

 

In a few months when he is streaking down the sideline against Ohio State for an 80 yard TD no one will give a crap he probably smoked some dope in his dorm room in June.

Again, its less about the dope smoking and more about the dope smoking under his current circumstances. It is a very poor decision no matter how old you are.

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14 hours ago, runningblind said:

He should go.

 

No, one paraphernalia ticket isn't worthy of being booted, but this shows a pattern of behavior and a disregard for his teammates in doing this while under investigation already.

 

exactly..........his lack of judgement and taking up a roster space, while needing a round the clock baby sitter........i don't think Frost wants this in the team identity and culture.

if it is allowed, it opens up the door to bad behavior from everyone else......nip it in the bud now or it will continue. if he does not kick Mo off the team, then his words ring hollow.

it's not about the weed, it's about poor judgement and disrespect.

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1 minute ago, Hunter94 said:

exactly..........his lack of judgement and taking up a roster space, while needing a round the clock baby sitter........i don't think Frost wants this in the team identity and culture.

if it is allowed, it opens up the door to bad behavior from everyone else......nip it in the bud now or it will continue. if he does not kick Mo off the team, then his words ring hollow.

it's not about the weed, it's about poor judgement and disrespect.

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10 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

In a few months when he is streaking down the sideline against Ohio State for an 80 yard TD no one will give a crap he probably smoked some dope in his dorm room in June.

Most of us don't care even now.  I understand the "pattern," argument and in 2019 we are all hypervigilant to not overlook early signs of issues and make excuses, I understand that as well. Like it or not, pot is part of many cultures in the US, elite athletic culture included.  Like it or not, one of the reasons many coaches don't like coaching at the NCAA level is because they are expected to help "raise" these boys. Our coaches know and gladly accept the responsibility of turning these young men into grown a$$ men while they are here. This is part of it. This is kids not making the best decisions in all situations. This is juvenile lapse in judgement.  Scott will talk with him, remind him that this is why it is, "dont smoke at all,"  instead of, "don't smoke most of the time," assign some sort of punishment and after that it's up to Mo. The porn case will be its own separate issue, if something comes from that Scott will have to come up with his own punishment for that.  As far as being a UNL student goes, this minor pot deal is really Mo's first strike. You don't get dismissed for a first strike.

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1 hour ago, dvdcrr said:

You send a message with your actions as a leader.  Is it OK to sit up in those posh dorms and smoke weed if you are a Nebraska Cornhusker football player?  Is that what teams do when they are trying to climb to the top?  

I'd give him a 5 game suspension and see what the new kids can do.  If they crank out  like 6.1 ypc and catch well, I think I'd make that a permanent suspension in the form of a warm bench seat.  Wait for him to screw up again or walk. Yank his schollie.

 

And if they don't play well, you're fine putting him back in because now we need him? If you're actually trying to send a message, it can't be contingent on game performance. And I've never seen a 5 game suspension for a first strike - unless you're combining it with his California thing, but that has to be resolved before they figure out a punishment.

 

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11 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

 

And if they don't play well, you're fine putting him back in because now we need him? If you're actually trying to send a message, it can't be contingent on game performance. And I've never seen a 5 game suspension for a first strike - unless you're combining it with his California thing, but that has to be resolved before they figure out a punishment.

 

making his punishment conditional on performance is ludicrous!

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3 minutes ago, The Dude said:

This is only a bad look in the context of his current legal problems. 

 

C'mon man!

Context matters.

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There are team rules and then there are legal violations. This is a broad generalization but typically fans fail to distinguish between the two.

 

I'd been contemplating whether at any point Frost will have concluded that Mo has broken any specific team rule with his stuff from 2018. This is again the same question - are there team rules specific to drug use? I'd be surprised if there aren't.

 

So while as someone who thinks Nebraska should fully legalize marijuana use I don't think this is actually a big deal at all technically, the question is, is this a violation of team rule? Going to be interesting to find out.

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15 minutes ago, Undone said:

There are team rules and then there are legal violations. This is a broad generalization but typically fans fail to distinguish between the two.

 

I'd been contemplating whether at any point Frost will have concluded that Mo has broken any specific team rule with his stuff from 2018. This is again the same question - are there team rules specific to drug use? I'd be surprised if there aren't.

 

So while as someone who thinks Nebraska should fully legalize marijuana use I don't think this is actually a big deal at all technically, the question is, is this a violation of team rule? Going to be interesting to find out.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-players-drug-tests-20170321-story.html

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@Nebfanatic - It's good info. It's not necessarily a one-for-one parallel because in that case, there was an actual drug test mandated by the NCAA, so that's a clear cut question of rules violations.

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7 minutes ago, Undone said:

@Nebfanatic - It's good info. It's not necessarily a one-for-one parallel because in that case, there was an actual drug test mandated by the NCAA, so that's a clear cut question of rules violations.

I think what it shows is Washington isn't getting booted, for this at least. It seems to me Frost will rarely drop the axe on someone as punishment. How can he teach kids the right way and mentor them if he just cuts ties? Not Frosts style I think. 

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4 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Is it OK to sit up in those posh dorms and smoke weed if you are a Nebraska Cornhusker football player?

 

Yes.

 

4 hours ago, dvdcrr said:

Is that what teams do when they are trying to climb to the top?  

 

Yes.

 

 

3 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

and for gosh sakes, if you're going to smoke weed in Nebraska, don't friggin get caught. It's not that hard. 

 

You hit the nail on the head with the real problem here. Everyone's calling him low character or lacking discipline or whatever kind of character insults because he got caught. Not because he smoked, because he got busted smoking. Which is a mistake. Probably a stupid one, but also a minor one, and not something that you shouldn't be able to come back from regardless of what else is going on.

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1 minute ago, Salsa Red said:

He'll probably be suspended for non conference play.

I think that's about right, if the trial in CA goes his way.  I would have expected a 1-2 game suspension with the CA issues, and now with this issue, Frost will add another game to the suspension. 

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How about Mo's roommate(s)?  Citing too?

 

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Washington's roommate :lol:

 

Anyway, need to change Nebraska law.  Outdated.  According to Wiki map, only three states prohibited for any use including medical use .... Idaho, South Dakota and Nebraska.  Recreational use of weed is legal in 12 states (and climbing).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._jurisdiction

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15 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I think what it shows is Washington isn't getting booted, for this at least. It seems to me Frost will rarely drop the axe on someone as punishment. How can he teach kids the right way and mentor them if he just cuts ties? Not Frosts style I think. 

 

Yep, I agree that there are some precedents there for sure.

 

Just as an aside to this specific incident, I've been wondering for the last six months-ish if there's a specific set of team rules that provide hard and fast lines in the sand for suspension/dismissal. I really don't know the answer.

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11 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Yep, I agree that there are some precedents there for sure.

 

Just as an aside to this specific incident, I've been wondering for the last six months-ish if there's a specific set of team rules that provide hard and fast lines in the sand for suspension/dismissal. I really don't know the answer.

I'm absolutely sure there are, but you'd have to do something pretty bad or detrimental to the team I would assume. Family culture also means sticking with guys through mistakes and getting them out the other end a better person. Its an interesting discussion to have though as to what would merit dismissal.

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I found a daily crime log for UNL. MoWa's is the first one of the day on June 4th. I bet someone either reported him or the cops walked the halls and caught him. Either way, he needs to be better. We took a chance on this kid and hopefully, he learns his mistakes reflect not just himself but the team. 

 

 

Also, heard Caleb Tannor did something bad with fraud but nothing to confirm just yet. But for now, it is just a rumor. 

 

 

Link to the UNL crime log on June 4th

https://scsapps.unl.edu/policereports/MainPage.aspx

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6 minutes ago, HuskermanMike said:

I found a daily crime log for UNL. MoWa's is the first one of the day on June 4th. I bet someone either reported him or the cops walked the halls and caught him. Either way, he needs to be better. We took a chance on this kid and hopefully, he learns his mistakes reflect not just himself but the team. 

 

 

Also, heard Caleb Tannor did something bad with fraud but nothing to confirm just yet. But for now, it is just a rumor. 

 

 

Link to the UNL crime log on June 4th

https://scsapps.unl.edu/policereports/MainPage.aspx

You mean like ordering a pizza with someone's credit card?

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27 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

Yes.

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

You hit the nail on the head with the real problem here. Everyone's calling him low character or lacking discipline or whatever kind of character insults because he got caught. Not because he smoked, because he got busted smoking. Which is a mistake. Probably a stupid one, but also a minor one, and not something that you shouldn't be able to come back from regardless of what else is going on.

 

Your answers should've been No and No.

 

It is not OK for a football player or any student to sit in their dorm and smoke weed. It's against University rules and probably also team rules. You and many others are confusing "what should be" with "what is". You don't just get to make up your own rules because you, or even a majority of others, disagree with the current rules.

 

And I don't know where/how anyone thinks this is what teams do that are trying to excel at football or any sport. Weed is not a performance enhancer. Sure, it may not be as bad for the body as alcohol or eating junk food but you would have to cite the study that proves smoking MJ helps players perform. The answer is No, because putting weed ahead of your teammates and commitments is what selfish people do. It is in no way, shape or form a plan for making the player or team better. And, right or wrong, it is currently against Nebraska law and University rules.

 

I'm not impugning his character over either issue. However I am beginning to question his intelligence and his commitment to the team. It may not be fair but big time D1 football players, especially at Nebraska, are under a microscope and need to conform to a higher standard of conduct. That goes double for a player who is already involved with an issue that is cutting into his practice time and availability to participate in games. If weed or alcohol or whatever is more important to them than the team, then they may find themselves not on the team. It may not be a character issue but it is at the least stupid and irresponsible. Personally I don't think either issue is a deal breaker....yet, but it is definitely strike 2 with an 0-2 count.

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