southernoregonhusker Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Bad2theBONES said: Funny how everyone is saying poor education, and why they shouldn’t have consented to a search, etc. The law states police can search vehicles on campus and at high schools practically whenever they want. All they need is reasonable suspicion, which is a lot less of a burden to prove than probable cause. It is basically a hunch. I would love for you to provide a citation for this. Quote Link to comment
southernoregonhusker Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mavric said: I've listened to quite a few presentations on this topic, although they've all been looking at a K-12 school setting. I have no idea if the same applies to post-secondary public schools but it would make sense that it would. The Supreme Court case that set forth the "reasonable suspicion" standard for school investigation - as opposed to "probable cause" in the legal world - is New Jersey vs. T.L.O. There is a quick overview here: This case is about juveniles at primary and secondary schools and searching their backpacks and alike. This case does not cover adults and their vehicles at a college. Quote Link to comment
Ulty Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 A person clearly has a reasonable expectation of privacy in his dorm room, and I have a hard time thinking of how making contact in a dorm room would lead to a search of his vehicle, which I assume would be parked a considerable distance away and unrelated to the initial call. If there was probable cause, they could have gotten a warrant. I'm guessing Wandale consented to two searches (the room and the car) that he didn't need to. Obviously Wandale's biggest mistake was breaking the law and team rules in the first place, let alone in the same freaking dorm where his teammate just got busted and made headlines a few days ago. He should know better and he was being dumb. But then willingly giving up your rights on top of that was a critical error. I'm always on the side of law and order and strongly recommend cooperating with police, but you also need to know your rights. Declining to consent to a search and exercising your rights is not a sign of being uncooperative. However, I also understand that being a young black man in that situation, facing the cops in a new town, probably added another element of uncertainty to the equation. It could have been avoided with better judgment in the first place (avoiding the weed). The young man needs some guidance at many levels. Having said all that, I also think weed should be legal but regulated. There is a lot of potential nuance in this entire conversation. 3 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 hours ago, southernoregonhusker said: This case is about juveniles at primary and secondary schools and searching their backpacks and alike. This case does not cover adults and their vehicles at a college. You don't really know if it does or not. 1 Quote Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Are these police officers not Nebraska fans?! Also, do these youngsters not know about edibles? 2 Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, Ulty said: A person clearly has a reasonable expectation of privacy in his dorm room, and I have a hard time thinking of how making contact in a dorm room would lead to a search of his vehicle, which I assume would be parked a considerable distance away and unrelated to the initial call. If there was probable cause, they could have gotten a warrant. I'm guessing Wandale consented to two searches (the room and the car) that he didn't need to. Obviously Wandale's biggest mistake was breaking the law and team rules in the first place, let alone in the same freaking dorm where his teammate just got busted and made headlines a few days ago. He should know better and he was being dumb. But then willingly giving up your rights on top of that was a critical error. I'm always on the side of law and order and strongly recommend cooperating with police, but you also need to know your rights. Declining to consent to a search and exercising your rights is not a sign of being uncooperative. However, I also understand that being a young black man in that situation, facing the cops in a new town, probably added another element of uncertainty to the equation. It could have been avoided with better judgment in the first place (avoiding the weed). The young man needs some guidance at many levels. Having said all that, I also think weed should be legal but regulated. There is a lot of potential nuance in this entire conversation. +1. I think you accurately described a lot of reasonable nuance to this situation. Your third paragraph here is particularly poignant because let's be honest - not many 18-year-old kids are well-versed in their rights. I know I certainly wasn't at that age, and I also wasn't black or a division one college football athlete. I can only imagine what was rolling through his mind. Perhaps part of it was 'I better tell the truth and agree to whatever they suggest here so that I don't make my likely punishment any worse.' Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Someone please just tell all the young guys living in the dorms to go over to an older players house and smoke with them in the living room. 1 Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said: Someone please just tell all the young guys living in the dorms to go over to an older players house and smoke with them in the living room. If your clothes reek, just grab a tee from your teammate. And people think we have bad culture because of this....thats teamwork!! Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Mavric said: I've listened to quite a few presentations on this topic, although they've all been looking at a K-12 school setting. I have no idea if the same applies to post-secondary public schools but it would make sense that it would. The Supreme Court case that set forth the "reasonable suspicion" standard for school investigation - as opposed to "probable cause" in the legal world - is New Jersey vs. T.L.O. There is a quick overview here: Hey...we covered that case in one of my grad classes! Also...the courts pretty much always give the school a ton of room to find s#!t. Quote Link to comment
Frostberg Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said: Are these police officers not Nebraska fans?! Also, do these youngsters not know about edibles? Edibles and oil would be felony charges in Nebraska. Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Frostberg said: Edibles and oil would be felony charges in Nebraska. Are you sure? I saw a shop selling CBD by Honest Abe's on 27th in Lincoln. I'm not drawing a comparison between what they sell and weed but it seems at least some oil or edibles are probably legal there. And yeah, it surprised me to see that in Nebraska. Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, JJ Husker said: Are you sure? I saw a shop selling CBD by Honest Abe's on 27th in Lincoln. I'm not drawing a comparison between what they sell and weed but it seems at least some oil or edibles are probably legal there. And yeah, it surprised me to see that in Nebraska. The CBD oils being sold now don't contain THC, which is the component in pot which gets people "high". As long as there isn't THC then it's legal with the federal gov't. 1 Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Not reading this entire thread because I can't stand all the awesome awesome takes on the evils of the marijuana, but looks like Robinson had less than an ounce. He'll get a fine and that'll be that. 2 Quote Link to comment
Frostberg Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, JJ Husker said: Are you sure? I saw a shop selling CBD by Honest Abe's on 27th in Lincoln. I'm not drawing a comparison between what they sell and weed but it seems at least some oil or edibles are probably legal there. And yeah, it surprised me to see that in Nebraska. https://jsberrylaw.com/blog/nebraska-laws-and-penalties-surrounding-different-forms-of-marijuana/ Quote Possession of edibles, or consumable foods, teas or other products containing marijuana or THC concentrate are a Class IV felony in Nebraska, punishable by a maximum sentence of 2 years imprisonment and a maximum fine of $10,000. Even one “pot” brownie may land you charged with a felony. Quote Link to comment
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