4skers89 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Brown University has interesting standards. https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/support/careerlab/employers/employer-resources/browns-grading-system Quote With the inception of its open curriculum in 1969, Brown University eliminated breadth requirements and implemented grading policies that encourage students to explore the curriculum widely. Students may choose to take most courses for a letter grade or on an S/NC basis—Satisfactory/No Credit. The Brown transcript records only full-letter grades of A, B or C (without plusses and minuses) or S (for Satisfactory). There is no grade of D, and failing grades are not recorded. Brown’s unique grading system, coupled with the fact that Brown does not calculate grade point averages for its students, makes it difficult to compare a Brown student transcript with one from another school. Brown students are encouraged to gather materials in their online portfolios that provide more nuanced measures of their knowledge and skills. These materials, such as course performance reports, letters of recommendations, and capstone projects, provide qualitative evidence that our students possess those abilities most valued by employers—analytical ability, independence, creativity, communication, and leadership skills. Employers are encouraged to review such materials when considering a Brown student for a position. Quote Link to comment
huKSer Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, 4skers89 said: Brown University has interesting standards. https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/support/careerlab/employers/employer-resources/browns-grading-system One of my former students went to some hippie commune college in the Pacific northwest. Part of the curriculum is growing food for the college. Their transcripts are essays written by the professors - there are no grades. Quote Link to comment
nic Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 This thread got boring. Someone needs to bring up Texas or Longhorns and liven it up a bit. Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, nic said: This thread got boring. That usually happens when people spend a bunch of time getting on their high horse about BIG10 standards. Somehow we have fallen into the BIG10 security blanket of "well we cant compete because we care about academics" argument. That doesnt make me feel better. Quote Link to comment
commando Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said: That usually happens when people spend a bunch of time getting on their high horse about BIG10 standards. Somehow we have fallen into the BIG10 security blanket of "well we cant compete because we care about academics" argument. That doesnt make me feel better. "if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin" attitude is better? Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, commando said: "if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin" attitude is better? No. You dont believe there is a middle ground between what the SEC is and what the BIG10 is. Extremes are never good. Find middle ground. When in doubt quote Bob Devaney. Or are we going to shun BD because we are in the BIG10 now? 2 Quote Link to comment
huKSer Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 hours ago, nic said: This thread got boring. Someone needs to bring up Texas or Longhorns and liven it up a bit. Misspelled Texass and Longwhorns Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Huskers93-97 said: That usually happens when people spend a bunch of time getting on their high horse about BIG10 standards. Somehow we have fallen into the BIG10 security blanket of "well we cant compete because we care about academics" argument. That doesnt make me feel better. I don't know who you are talking about here. But, I don't see a reason why our academic standards should prevent us from winning at a high level. I do believe all of college football should allow partial qualifiers though. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: How in the world is giving kids a chance to get qualified at UNL not noble? Because we weren't doing it for them, we were doing it for us. 3 hours ago, Huskers93-97 said: Somehow we have fallen into the BIG10 security blanket of "well we cant compete because we care about academics" argument. Who's we? I haven't fallen into that. I don't see other people on this board talking that way. The weird disconnect is you don't think we're competitive. We are. The Pac 12 hasn't won a national championship since 2004 (vacated). The Big XII hasn't won one since 2005. We end every year with at least 5 teams in the top 25, usually 3-4 in the top 10. How are we not competing? 2 Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Landlord said: Because we weren't doing it for them, we were doing it for us. Who's we? I haven't fallen into that. I don't see other people on this board talking that way. The weird disconnect is you don't think we're competitive. We are. The Pac 12 hasn't won a national championship since 2004 (vacated). The Big XII hasn't won one since 2005. We end every year with at least 5 teams in the top 25, usually 3-4 in the top 10. How are we not competing? I know my goal is for Nebraska to not be competing to be in the top 25. Rather competing to earn a place in the playoff and actually have a legit shot to win and beat the other 3 teams in the playoff. This is not competing. The Big Ten has missed the College Football Playoff each of the past two seasons and the two seasons prior got blown out in the semifinals by a combined score of 79-0 (Michigan State, Ohio State). Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Landlord said: Because we weren't doing it for them, we were doing it for us. That's a really strange thought process. We weren't bringing in partial qualifiers for their benefit, it was all for ours. They didn't benefit at all from the millions we spend in academic support. Let me ask you this, when we give a scholarship to a player, are we doing it for us or for them? 1 Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, Huskers93-97 said: I know my goal is for Nebraska to not be competing to be in the top 25. Rather competing to earn a place in the playoff and actually have a legit shot to win and beat the other 3 teams in the playoff. If that's your definition of competing then here is the list of who is currently not competitive in P5 conferences: Boston College Illinois Baylor Arizona Indiana Iowa State Arizona State Arkansas Duke Iowa Kansas California Auburn Florida State Maryland Kansas State UCLA Florida Georgia Tech Michigan Oklahoma Colorado Georgia Louisville Michigan State Oklahoma State Oregon Kentucky Miami Minnesota TCU Oregon State LSU North Carolina Nebraska Texas USC Ole Miss NC State Northwestern Texas Tech Stanford Mississippi State Pittsburgh Ohio State West Virginia Utah Missouri Syracuse Penn State Washington South Carolina Virginia Purdue Washington State Tennessee Virginia Tech Rutgers Texas A&M Wake Forest Wisconsin Vanderbilt Notre Dame* 2 Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Landlord said: If that's your definition of competing then here is the list of who is currently not competitive in P5 conferences: Boston College Illinois Baylor Arizona Indiana Iowa State Arizona State Arkansas Duke Iowa Kansas California Auburn Florida State Maryland Kansas State UCLA Florida Georgia Tech Michigan Oklahoma Colorado Georgia Louisville Michigan State Oklahoma State Oregon Kentucky Miami Minnesota TCU Oregon State LSU North Carolina Nebraska Texas USC Ole Miss NC State Northwestern Texas Tech Stanford Mississippi State Pittsburgh Ohio State West Virginia Utah Missouri Syracuse Penn State Washington South Carolina Virginia Purdue Washington State Tennessee Virginia Tech Rutgers Texas A&M Wake Forest Wisconsin Vanderbilt Notre Dame* You have teams on that list who have actually made it to the playoff. They did actually play in a competitive game- win or lose. Some that actually made it to the final championship game so your list is not very good. 2 Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, BigRedBuster said: That's a really strange thought process. We weren't bringing in partial qualifiers for their benefit, it was all for ours. They didn't benefit at all from the millions we spend in academic support. Let me ask you this, when we give a scholarship to a player, are we doing it for us or for them? I'm not talking about the benefit of effects. Yes, I already acknowledge in a previous post that a lot of good came from it and those players received benefit that was valuable. I'm talking about intention. You asked how it isn't noble - something being noble has to do with moral principles and ideals, not results. When we give a scholarship to a player the most foundational primary reason for doing so is for our gain, not theirs. But different situations have different degrees of added consideration and altruism, or differing amounts of overlap between player and program desires/needs, or less of a dichotomy between athletic success and academic integrity. Our exploitation of partial qualifiers strikes me as slightly less ethical or easy to sit with than our exploitation of other college football players (don't get triggered by the word exploitation it's not meant to be an indictment), and the argument in favor of it is a little too much like Romans supporting gladiatorial pits saying, "Well, at least those prisoners get a chance to be free or die with honor! They should be grateful" for my comfort. And again, I'm only talking about this because you keep asking. It's a very very very little deal to me. 1 Quote Link to comment
Moiraine Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I fail to see how Landlord’s point here is confusing, even though I disagree with his overall view in this topic. He’s talking about intent. A side effect was a benefit to the players. The intent was to get a competitive advantage. It’s not a “noble” cause unless your intent is to help people. If the players weren’t going to help them get an advantage they wouldn’t have helped them. Quote Link to comment
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