Playcalling or execution?

[Nebfanatic]

It seems there are questions arising about our playcalling. What the heck are we doing some might wonder. To this I ask, is it really the playcalling that is the issue? It's an age old question really, and I think there are a few things to consider here.

 

 

1. The playcalling would look amazing if the players executed and the plays worked. This is probably what every coach with bad offense thinks, but of course not always true. 

2. The playcalling has been somewhat limited because the players can't be trusted to execute the whole offense. This is probably more of the case for coaches who's players are inexperienced.

3. The playcalling is not putting players in position to succeed. This is what most fans resort to when the offense isn't working, but also what almost all coaches refuse to admit.

 

 

Personally I think we have a little bit of everything going on right now. What is huskerboards take on the playcalling vs. execution debate? 

[Huskr25]

When we get the Oline Frost has been recruiting in place, well be fine. All of the offensive woes can be directly correlated to Line play

[thatguy]

If you have a roster of over 140 people and you are waiting on recruiting to be able to execute simple plays well, you’re doing it wrong. 

[Nebfanatic]

5 hours ago, Huskr25 said:

When we get the Oline Frost has been recruiting in place, well be fine. All of the offensive woes can be directly correlated to Line play

So you say execution. Do you think it is of variety 1 or 2 or maybe a bit of both?

1 minute ago, thatguy said:

If you have a roster of over 140 people and you are waiting on recruiting to be able to execute simple plays well, you’re doing it wrong. 

Over half are first or second year players so is that really true?

[Husker NoNo]

15 minutes ago, thatguy said:

If you have a roster of over 140 people and you are waiting on recruiting to be able to execute simple plays well, you’re doing it wrong. 

It would be 50x worse is we were running ill-prepared first-year players out there. I am glad the coaches are willing to take their lumps from impatient fans and do this the right way. 
 

Redshirt them as true freshmen, scout team as rsfr., bench as soph., play last two. Like we used to...and how those hack programs to the East and Northeast that have better lines than us do. 

[Moiraine]

15 minutes ago, thatguy said:

If you have a roster of over 140 people and you are waiting on recruiting to be able to execute simple plays well, you’re doing it wrong. 

 

 

That's weird logic. Most of those after the first 110 are walk ons who haven't been with the program for even 2 years yet. We can expect going forward to produce a really good walk on here and there, and to have better scout teams which will improve the rest of the team. Higher volume isn't going to produce a bunch of elite players overnight. I'm guessing we have a walk on who can snap the ball well, but is probably so deficient when it comes to talent and size that it offsets that ability.

[WyoHusker56]

13 minutes ago, thatguy said:

If you have a roster of over 140 people and you are waiting on recruiting to be able to execute simple plays well, you’re doing it wrong. 

 

So the starters aren't executing the plays right, but you think the guys who can't pass them on the depth chart can. Usually there is a reason they're a backup and it's because they can't do what the starter is doing. Everyone is always enthralled with the backups. 

[Husker NoNo]

7 minutes ago, WyoHusker56 said:

 

Everyone is always enthralled with the backups. 

Because they were backups when they played on their high school team, and were sooooo much better than the starter. But their high school coach was a jerk and wouldn’t start him because he didn’t like him. 

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, Husker NoNo said:

Because they were backups when they played on their high school team, and were sooooo much better than the starter. But their high school coach was a jerk and wouldn’t start him because he didn’t like him. 

Sometimes it’s true 

 

[thatguy]

17 minutes ago, WyoHusker56 said:

 

So the starters aren't executing the plays right, but you think the guys who can't pass them on the depth chart can. Usually there is a reason they're a backup and it's because they can't do what the starter is doing. Everyone is always enthralled with the backups. 

 

The starters not executing is a symptom of a larger coaching problem, imo. 

Again, the point of this thread in the first place was that backups should be developed to be able to step in when needed for any reason, such as last night. Starting wr got hurt, and backup didn’t seem like he could contribute much. 

This isn't about supplanting the starters, but about developing others on the roster. 

[Nebfanatic]

2 minutes ago, thatguy said:

 

The starters not executing is a symptom of a larger coaching problem, imo. 

Again, the point of this thread in the first place was that backups should be developed to be able to step in when needed for any reason, such as last night. Starting wr got hurt, and backup didn’t seem like he could contribute much. 

This isn't about supplanting the starters, but about developing others on the roster. 

Developing talent takes more than a season and a half. 

[thatguy]

23 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

That's weird logic. Most of those after the first 110 are walk ons who haven't been with the program for even 2 years yet. We can expect going forward to produce a really good walk on here and there, and to have better scout teams which will improve the rest of the team. Higher volume isn't going to produce a bunch of elite players overnight. I'm guessing we have a walk on who can snap the ball well, but is probably so deficient when it comes to talent and size that it offsets that ability.

We still need recruiting, for sure. Point is, lots of teams out there are rated much lower than us in recruiting, yet they show better technique, execution and organization. Proper technique will always give you a chance. Focus on that and you will see better success. 

[3rd and long]

Just now, thatguy said:

We still need recruiting, for sure. Point is, lots of teams out there are rated much lower than us in recruiting, yet they show better technique, execution and organization. Proper technique will always give you a chance. Focus on that and you will see better success. 

That’s true, but if you think back, and look very objectively, I do believe things, silly penalties, technique, etc really are all getting better all the time. It’s taken longer than I thought it would, but it is getting better. Think back just a few short years and remember how ridiculously bad it was under Riley. 

[Thurston from Pender]

If the fans were calling the plays - in real time and on Twitter - we’d be undefeated.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

Yesterday there were several plays where receivers dropped the balls that Martinez was throwing to them. Most of those throws weren't the best throws, but they were in the area where the receivers should've caught them. As has been said this O-line play has been terrible and that isn't going to fix itself overnight. The snap issue can be corrected, but it doesn't seem like the coaches are willing to sit him for now to help with that. It'll be interesting to see how things go next weekend IF Vedral gets the start.