LumberJackSker Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, knapplc said: What if, INSTEAD OF GOLFING, Trump set up a no-fly zone over this conflict to protect our allies? Probably hard to set up a no fly zone when a lot of the planes that would enforce it are based in the country committing the war crimes. Trump is the ultimate f#&% up. 3 Link to comment
LumberJackSker Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Not sure if true or not but it looks like the kurds have had to side with assad and trumps daddy putin. Syria government troops will enter and deploy to the turkish border. Anyone still think Trump isn't a russian stooge? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50036901 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Meanwhile, while you are contemplating your next move...while on a golf vacation...innocent people are dying. I’m sure that are so happy you might put Economic Sanctions on turkey. Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 hours ago, LumberJackSker said: Probably hard to set up a no fly zone when a lot of the planes that would enforce it are based in the country committing the war crimes. Trump is the ultimate f#&% up. That would be Eisenhower's fault, who was president when Incirlik Air base was opened as a joint use base. Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 hours ago, LumberJackSker said: Not sure if true or not but it looks like the kurds have had to side with assad and trumps daddy putin. Syria government troops will enter and deploy to the turkish border. Anyone still think Trump isn't a russian stooge? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50036901 Syrian Kurdish leader says deal reached with Damascus and Moscow https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/86966e18-1977-4924-b17d-606097dabc53?fbclid=IwAR1ubfYntZhMxHWvcvLPFCqxdhOcZJxfozS6otAJb8ay61k7I6PCo-FqHNk Turkey Warns Of War As Syrian Army Heads To Turkish Border https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrian-army-enter-turkish-besieged-kobani-manbij-within-48-hours-us-exits Esper says U.S. staying in Syria, but withdrawing south of Turkish advance and deal in works to have Russians protect Kurds https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/10/13/esper-says-us-staying-in-syria-but-withdrawing-south-of-turkish-advance-and-deal-in-works-to-have-russians-protect-kurds/?fbclid=IwAR2_L55sXAW1mqnAHCNhxtbFo83qiGR8I0jRJ804L4P033E66iaKxrtanM0#.XaNZ8BoLSZ4.facebook Link to comment
LumberJackSker Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Apsu said: That would be Eisenhower's fault, who was president when Incirlik Air base was opened as a joint use base. I know trump didn't put the base there. He's a f#&% up because he gave permission for Turkey and the extremist militias to slaughter people who fought on our behalf and then fakes being surprised when it happens. Then says we don't owe the kurds anything because they didn't help us liberate europe from the Nazis. 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Only in Trump's twisted mind. He blames Kurds for ISIS prison break. http://news.trust.org/item/20191014110238-4sp4k Quote WASHINGTON, Oct 14 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that Kurdish-led forces in northeast Syria might be releasing captive Islamic State militants to lure U.S. troops back to the area, adding that they could be easily recaptured. The Turkish onslaught in northern Syria has raised concerns that Islamic State militants and their families held by the Kurdish-led forces long allied with Washington may escape and revive the group. Scores are said to have escaped already. "Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved. Easily recaptured by Turkey or European Nations from where many came, but they should move quickly," Trump said in a series of posts on Twitter. The Turkish offensive followed a decision by Trump to withdraw the remaining 1,000 U.S. troops from northern Syria in a move condemned by a bipartisan chorus of critics. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Trump the great negotiator https://www.axios.com/trump-erdogan-turkey-syria-invasion-bluff-fc761d8f-e33b-473b-8ece-d0b8b3a51f26.html Quote The big picture: Trump would tell Erdoğan that if he wanted to invade Syria he would have to own whatever mess ensued, according to these sources. Erdoğan would have to take care of ISIS and manage international condemnation, trouble from Capitol Hill, and the quagmire with the Kurds. And when Trump put it in such stark terms to Erdoğan, the Turkish leader would demur. Until last Sunday, that is, when he told Trump he was moving ahead with the invasion of northern Syria. This time, Erdoğan called Trump's bluff, having waited for international forces to wipe out the ISIS caliphate. Erdoğan's decision — which the White House cleared the way for in its Sunday night announcement, alienating and blindsiding key allies including Republican lawmakers and the Christian right — has plunged the Middle East and Trump's political standing in Washington into crisis. Sources in Turkey have indicated that while Erdoğan was talking big, he thought Trump would restrain him, a U.S. official familiar with the details told Axios' Margaret Talev. For example, Erdoğan did not expect — or want — a 30-km-deep (18-mile) buffer; that was assumed to be a negotiation aimed at getting something smaller. Now Erdoğan may be in over his head and facing global condemnation and sanctions, but he got so far extended politically inside Turkey that he has had little choice but to go forward, the official said. Behind the scenes: In phone calls and in-person meetings dating back to 2017, Trump has been effectively calling Erdoğan's bluff, according to sources who have been in the room with the two leaders and had access to their phone calls. Link to comment
ZRod Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/13/2019 at 1:01 PM, knapplc said: The guy who wrote the Article and then book on Black Hawk Down. He has always seemed like a pretty fair and unbiased observer. That's scary if he's hearing that from top brass. 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 This article shows the devastation brought on by Trump's 'gut' decision. It is a strong indictment of a president who has no understanding of the world or worse who is in the pocket of Russia who benefits from his crazy decisions. This also shows that we have too much power in one person's hands to wage war or to alter war. Trump has yes people around him who don't challenge his 'gut decisions'. It seems to me that incompetence is a impeachable offense. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-followed-his-gut-on-syria-calamity-came-fast/ar-AAILbg6 Quote President Trump’s acquiescence to Turkey’s move to send troops deep inside Syrian territory has in only one week’s time turned into a bloody carnage, forced the abandonment of a successful five-year-long American project to keep the peace on a volatile border, and given an unanticipated victory to four American adversaries: Russia, Iran, the Syrian government and the Islamic State. Rarely has a presidential decision resulted so immediately in what his own party leaders have described as disastrous consequences for American allies and interests. How this decision happened — springing from an “off-script moment” with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, in the words of a senior American diplomat — likely will be debated for years by historians, Middle East experts and conspiracy theorists. But this much already is clear: Mr. Trump ignored months of warnings from his advisers about what calamities likely would ensue if he followed his instincts to pull back from Syria and abandon America’s longtime allies, the Kurds. He had no Plan B, other than to leave. The only surprise is how swiftly it all collapsed around the president and his depleted, inexperienced foreign policy team. Quote One day he was inviting Mr. Erdogan to visit the White House; the next he was threatening to “totally destroy and obliterate” Turkey’s economy if it crossed a line that he never defined. Mr. Erdogan just kept going. Mr. Trump’s error, some aides concede in off-the-record conversations, was entering the Oct. 6 call underprepared, and then failing to spell out for Mr. Erdogan the potential consequences — from economic sanctions to a dimunition of Turkey’s alliance with the United States and its standing in NATO. He has since threatened both, retroactively. But it is not clear Mr. Erdogan believes either is a real risk. The drama is nowhere near over. Out of necessity, the Kurds switched sides on Sunday, turning their backs on Washington and signing up with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, a man the United States has called a war criminal for gassing his own people. At the Pentagon, officials struggled with the right response if Turkish forces — NATO allies — again opened fire on any of the 1,000 or so Americans now preparing to retreat from their positions inside Syria. Those troops are trapped for now, since Turkey has cut off the roads; removing them may require an airlift. And over the weekend, State and Energy Department officials were quietly reviewing plans for evacuating roughly 50 tactical nuclear weapons that the United States had long stored, under American control, at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, about 250 miles from the Syrian border, according to two American officials. Those weapons, one senior official said, were now essentially Erdogan’s hostages. To fly them out of Incirlik would be to mark the de facto end of the Turkish-American alliance. To keep them there, though, is to perpetuate a nuclear vulnerability that should have been eliminated years ago. “I think this is a first — a country with U.S. nuclear weapons stationed in it literally firing artillery at US forces,” Jeffrey Lewis of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies wrote last week. For his part, Mr. Erdogan claims nuclear ambitions of his own: Only a month ago, speaking to supporters, he said, he said he “cannot accept” rules that keep Turkey from possessing nuclear weapons of its own. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Wait.... so we stop protecting the Kurds. turkey attacks and the Kurds turn to Syria to save them. trump doesn’t like. idiot. ps....for some reason this site doesn’t automatically capitalize sentences anymore. 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Wait.... so we stop protecting the Kurds. turkey attacks and the Kurds turn to Syria to save them. trump doesn’t like. idiot. ps....for some reason this site doesn’t automatically capitalize sentences anymore. LMAO yeah the Kurds betrayed us. OK. It's a minor quibble but I'm getting really tired of the idiotic way this guy phrases things. "They greatest sanctions the world has EVER seen." WTF. Link to comment
commando Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Wait.... so we stop protecting the Kurds. turkey attacks and the Kurds turn to Syria to save them. trump doesn’t like. idiot. ps....for some reason this site doesn’t automatically capitalize sentences anymore. that is a trump parody account...but it will probably be very similar to the tweets tomorrow morning will be 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, commando said: that is a trump parody account...but it will probably be very similar to the tweets tomorrow morning will be Oops. Parody really is indistinguishable from real life at this point. 3 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, commando said: that is a trump parody account...but it will probably be very similar to the tweets tomorrow morning will be Ahhhh....I got caught. sad thing is, he’s dumb enough to do that. 1 Link to comment
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