Attrition apparently already starting.

[GBRFAN]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

 

This just isn't a sustainable way to run a program.  Eventually coach is going to have to inspire guys to buy in otherwise we'll never build any depth.

 

Frost has already ran off tons of guys, and here we are a year and a half in blaming most everything on a lack of talent and depth.

 

Lack of talent and depth get built over time.  Always hate to loose guys that look good on paper, however if we add 5 or 6 every year then loosing 1 here and there isn't the end of the world.

[MyBloodIsRed16]

I think most of the time when coaches make these statements they are trying to inspire guys...  i don't think they normally think guys will just pack their bags.  But that's obviously telling of the type of guys they have on the team 

[lo country]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

 

This just isn't a sustainable way to run a program.  Eventually coach is going to have to inspire guys to buy in otherwise we'll never build any depth.

 

Frost has already ran off tons of guys, and here we are a year-and-a-half in, blaming most everything on a lack of talent and depth.

I often wonder if the buy in isn't necessarily culture. but scheme/philosophy.  Maybe some of the guys don't see the scheme (either side?) making improvements.  I will concede that we have gone from 100% no accountability and a completely different scheme (another year of square peg round hole), but it's getting old.  Year 2 game 7 and you are complaining about the basics? That would pi$$ me off as a player. Same with not saying "I (we) were out coached".  "We need to get the guys in a better position to win".  "Get the right plays called" etc.....That's just me. Sometimes you have to point the thumb. 

[UniversalMartin]

2 hours ago, Stumpy1 said:

Washington and McQuitty are 2 that I heard are leaving.  Miles Jones also got brought up.  

 

I will believe it when I see it officially. 

I am fine with whomever wants to leave...s#!t or get off the pot

[mnhusker]

1 hour ago, GBRFAN said:

 

Lack of talent and depth get built over time.  Always hate to loose guys that look good on paper, however if we add 5 or 6 every year then loosing 1 here and there isn't the end of the world.

Well said.  Gotta build depth but some will come and go and that's healthy.  

 

[TheSker]

14 minutes ago, lo country said:

I often wonder if the buy in isn't necessarily culture. but scheme/philosophy.  Maybe some of the guys don't see the scheme (either side?) making improvements.  I will concede that we have gone from 100% no accountability and a completely different scheme (another year of square peg round hole), but it's getting old.  Year 2 game 7 and you are complaining about the basics? That would pi$$ me off as a player. Same with not saying "I (we) were out coached".  "We need to get the guys in a better position to win".  "Get the right plays called" etc.....That's just me. Sometimes you have to point the thumb. 

Scott Frost has more conference championships in two years of being a head coach (and more undefeated seasons) than Mike Riley has in a CAREER.

 

And you're questioning what "scheme" works for the players?  Seriously....

[lo country]

4 minutes ago, TheSker said:

Scott Frost has more conference championships in two years of being a head coach (and more undefeated seasons) than Mike Riley has in a CAREER.

 

And you're questioning what "scheme" works for the players?  Seriously....

Yep.  A scheme predicated on chunk plays wont work in the B1G. We've had 17 in 3 games....3 TD's (one each of our last 3 games).....So yea, IMHO, our scheme needs work. 

 

Go back and read my posts the years under Riley.  I hated the hire when it was announced and it only grew through the 3 years he was here....Thinking I was EVER a Riley fan is insane.  

 

And yea, I'm a player and we keep running Mo off tackle, continue the screen pass, have and offense that ranks.  Our O is in the tank.  And if it was better last year, guess what.  The stars of the O were 4 Riley guys led by a Frost guy....

 

Here is our O compared to last year.  So yea, as a player I'm wondering WTF....and looking at the staff to introduce plays on the O to help me from getting my a$$ kicked.  Misdirection, shuffle pass, counters, traps, draws, quick slants, motion from different sets....

 

I'm not going to blindly follow Frost and give him a pass because he's Frost.  He owns some of this sh!t show.

 

Since David owns this site now, here is how we rank against Indiana.....

https://www.huskermax.com/2019-nebraska-indiana-football-stats-matchup/

	NEBRASKA 4-3 (2-2)			INDIANA 5-2 (2-2)
	Avg.	Rank		Avg.	Rank
Turnover margin	-0.43	93		-0.43	93
Total offense	399.0	74		449.9	31
Total defense	392.9	64		297.0	18
Time of possession	27:36	113		33:41	10
Third-down defense	0.389	77		0.298	10
Third-down conversion	0.404	57		0.473	18
Tackles for loss	7.1	30		6.9	35
Scoring offense	25.6	88		33.4	40
Scoring defense	27.6	69		20.9	32
Sacks allowed	2.71	102		1.29	20
Sacks	2.29	59		2.57	37
Rushing offense	189.9	40		142.6	90
Rushing defense	187.7	95		128.3	39
Red zone offense	0.680	123		0.839	62
Red zone defense	0.857	90		0.923	121
Punt returns	8.92	49		5.00	99
Pass eff. defense	121.45	41		117.02	31
Passing offense	209.1	87		307.3	16
Pass efficiency	131.93	74		155.22	25
Pass defense	205.1	45		168.7	9
Net punting	40.21	33		38.31	67
Kickoff returns	20.55	71		18.92	95
Fourth-down defense	0.400	35		0.500	64
Fourth-down conversion	0.417	94		0.250	126
First downs offense	131	100		170	22
First downs defense	144	71		120	24
Fewest penalty yards	54.00	57		64.71	100
Fewest penalties	6.43	68		6.86	86

A look at the numbers through Week 7

Here’s a look at Nebraska offensively and defensively in general statistical terms compared to the 2018 season.

Total offense (2019 national rank, rank change from 2018)

399 (77, down 52 spots)

Yards per play

5.65 (80, down 60 spots)

Points per game

25.6 (90, down 32 spots)

Rushing offense

4.3 per carry (74, down 58 spots)

Total defense

392.3 (67, up 27 spots)

Yards per play allowed

5.39 (59, up 16 spots)

Points per game allowed

27.6 (72, up 16 spots)

Rushing defense

4.47 yards allowed per carry (T-83, up 24 spots)

 

 

[Nebfanatic]

4 minutes ago, lo country said:

Yep.  A scheme predicated on chunk plays wont work in the B1G. We've had 17 in 3 games....3 TD's (one each of our last 3 games).....So yea, IMHO, our scheme needs work. 

Lets get you in the football offices so you can direct coach Frost on where he needs to go with his scheme.

[TheSker]

4 minutes ago, lo country said:

Yep.  A scheme predicated on chunk plays wont work in the B1G. We've had 17 in 3 games....3 TD's (one each of our last 3 games).....So yea, IMHO, our scheme needs work. 

 

Go back and read my posts the years under Riley.  I hated the hire when it was announced and it only grew through the 3 years he was here....Thinking I was EVER a Riley fan is insane.  

 

And yea, I'm a player and we keep running Mo off tackle, continue the screen pass, have and offense that ranks.  Our O is in the tank.  And if it was better last year, guess what.  The stars of the O were 4 Riley guys led by a Frost guy....

 

Here is our O compared to last year.  So yea, as a player I'm wondering WTF....and looking at the staff to introduce plays on the O to help me from getting my a$$ kicked.  Misdirection, shuffle pass, counters, traps, draws, quick slants, motion from different sets....

 

I'm not going to blindly follow Frost and give him a pass because he's Frost.  He owns some of this sh!t show.

 

Since David owns this site now, here is how we rank against Indiana.....

https://www.huskermax.com/2019-nebraska-indiana-football-stats-matchup/

	NEBRASKA 4-3 (2-2)			INDIANA 5-2 (2-2)
	Avg.	Rank		Avg.	Rank
Turnover margin	-0.43	93		-0.43	93
Total offense	399.0	74		449.9	31
Total defense	392.9	64		297.0	18
Time of possession	27:36	113		33:41	10
Third-down defense	0.389	77		0.298	10
Third-down conversion	0.404	57		0.473	18
Tackles for loss	7.1	30		6.9	35
Scoring offense	25.6	88		33.4	40
Scoring defense	27.6	69		20.9	32
Sacks allowed	2.71	102		1.29	20
Sacks	2.29	59		2.57	37
Rushing offense	189.9	40		142.6	90
Rushing defense	187.7	95		128.3	39
Red zone offense	0.680	123		0.839	62
Red zone defense	0.857	90		0.923	121
Punt returns	8.92	49		5.00	99
Pass eff. defense	121.45	41		117.02	31
Passing offense	209.1	87		307.3	16
Pass efficiency	131.93	74		155.22	25
Pass defense	205.1	45		168.7	9
Net punting	40.21	33		38.31	67
Kickoff returns	20.55	71		18.92	95
Fourth-down defense	0.400	35		0.500	64
Fourth-down conversion	0.417	94		0.250	126
First downs offense	131	100		170	22
First downs defense	144	71		120	24
Fewest penalty yards	54.00	57		64.71	100
Fewest penalties	6.43	68		6.86	86

A look at the numbers through Week 7

Here’s a look at Nebraska offensively and defensively in general statistical terms compared to the 2018 season.

Total offense (2019 national rank, rank change from 2018)

399 (77, down 52 spots)

Yards per play

5.65 (80, down 60 spots)

Points per game

25.6 (90, down 32 spots)

Rushing offense

4.3 per carry (74, down 58 spots)

Total defense

392.3 (67, up 27 spots)

Yards per play allowed

5.39 (59, up 16 spots)

Points per game allowed

27.6 (72, up 16 spots)

Rushing defense

4.47 yards allowed per carry (T-83, up 24 spots)

 

 

If you can't see a bigger picture than just the broken record of this year versus last year.......

 

And I wonder if Urban Meyer would agree with your stance on chunk plays not working in the B1G?

 

Mebets not.

[10_point_buck]

Rumbling on HI is saying Mo is out for an extended period of time due to his conduct detrimental to the team or he may just be gone and Frost will address at this week’s news conference.

[Nebfanatic]

Just now, 10_point_buck said:

Rumbling on HI is saying Mo is out for an extended period of time due to his conduct detrimental to the team or he may just be gone and Frost will address at this week’s news conference.

Its been discussed elsewhere but feeling is he is off the team for good. Love me some Frost but that initial recruiting class is now looking very thin. Luckily we have supplemented with a great class behind it and another one coming.

[ColoradoHusk]

1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said:

Its been discussed elsewhere but feeling is he is off the team for good. Love me some Frost but that initial recruiting class is now looking very thin. Luckily we have supplemented with a great class behind it and another one coming.

Coaches’ first classes after taking over can have a lot of turnover and misses. The coaches are trying to fill a class quickly and don’t have the ability to develop relationships and give long evaluations.  Frost even had it more challenging with that year being the first class with the early signing period in December. Frost was forced to take chances on talent, and sometimes they don’t end up panning our. 

[TheSker]

3 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Its been discussed elsewhere but feeling is he is off the team for good. Love me some Frost but that initial recruiting class is now looking very thin. Luckily we have supplemented with a great class behind it and another one coming.

That first recruiting class was while he was pulling double duty, so there's going to be several misses on it.

[lo country]

16 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Lets get you in the football offices so you can direct coach Frost on where he needs to go with his scheme.

I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking he has to change up some things.  I’d be more than happy to send him an email if you can get me in touch with him.....and again,  I THINK FROST IS THE RIGHT HIRE.  THE RIGHT GUY FOR THE JOB, but I’m not blindly following him thinking that he is 100% correct in all that he’s done.  He’s a grown man making millions, he is culpable in what’s happening....

17 minutes ago, TheSker said:

If you can't see a bigger picture than just the broken record of this year versus last year.......

 

And I wonder if Urban Meyer would agree with your stance on chunk plays not working in the B1G?

 

Mebets not.

I should listen to @PaulCrewe.......

[Nebfanatic]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Coaches’ first classes after taking over can have a lot of turnover and misses. The coaches are trying to fill a class quickly and don’t have the ability to develop relationships and give long evaluations.  Frost even had it more challenging with that year being the first class with the early signing period in December. Frost was forced to take chances on talent, and sometimes they don’t end up panning our. 

 

5 minutes ago, TheSker said:

That first recruiting class was while he was pulling double duty, so there's going to be several misses on it.

He certainly didn't have alot of time and had much to do and he did admirably. That said, it is what it is and it will affect us to a degree. If we can keep the kids we have been bringing in on campus at a better rate I think we can mitigate that affect though as there is alot of talent.