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1 hour ago, Igetbored216 said:

I also don't know how anyone could say McCaffrey is a better QB. He's definitely good at running the option, but I haven't seen him throw enough to know if he's good at that. 12 passes isn't enough to determine that. 

It would be hard to be a worse passer than what we've had from our starter.  Id put my money on the unknown in this bet.

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10 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Vedral didn’t actually do well. McCaffrey did well running the ball, and the limited pass plays he was asked to perform. The pass in the Iowa game was a trick play. That’s like saying Mike Stuntz deserved to be QB over Crouch because of 41 Back Flash Reverse. 

Frost said packages not trick plays.  They are not the same thing.  You build a series of plays around a look, and this is referred to as a package.  Every coach refers to play series as a package.  McCaffrey made a read and hit the open guy, that is all.

 

Vedral runs the progression.  Vedral's 50% passing is much better for the team than the 67% of simple throws made by Martinez.  Vedral focuses on the defense and taking chunks.  Martinez has about a quarter per game where it looks like he has focus then it unravels.  Martinez focuses too much on the dink in the dink and dunk offense when it is the dunks that open up the run game.

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7 hours ago, Igetbored216 said:

I also don't know how anyone could say McCaffrey is a better QB. He's definitely good at running the option, but I haven't seen him throw enough to know if he's good at that. 12 passes isn't enough to determine that. 

The average fan wants to see Martinez on the bench once he unravels.  When he unravels our offense goes into turtle mode.  When he's hot he's hot, but when he's indecisive it falls on the defense too much.  And our defense cannot carry this team.

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10 hours ago, Stumpy1 said:

It's called a deception play, not a trick play.  It is no different then TO running an option pass back in the day or current teams running the quick passes to the sideline only to hit one deep off the same set-up.  That is why they call those plays.  Frost used LM to run options to the left against Maryland for a reason.  He was setting up another play, whether it be against against Maryland that game or Iowa. 

 

Sorry if we disagree about the definition of a trick play.  

Not pulling hairs here because this is kind of silly, but to deceive somebody by definition means to trick someone. 

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I guess where I come down is yes, there should be an open competition in 2020 for QB because I believe there should always be open competition for everything.  Competition keeps you sharp and complacency is a killer.  Do I wish 2AM played better this year?  Absolutely.  Do I think we should cast him aside and turn the reigns over to McCaffery?  Nope.  

 

I'd love to see a pie chart or statistical breakdown to see how much the following factors affected 2AM this year:

 

-Sophomore slump--It's real and it happens.  When you're looking at data points, there are going to be stretches of data where you experience regression, it's a fact.  Does that mean 2AM is now terrible?  Not at all, he could just be going through a rough patch.  Teams now have another year of tape on Martinez and have thrown some curveballs at him and forced him to adjust.  It's on him and the coaching staff to adjust accordingly.

 

-Lack of playmakers--Since the Iowa game is fresh in our minds do you know who did the majority of the damage against Iowa?  If you guessed Mo Washington give yourself a gold star.  Mo went for 7/102/1 last year.  He torched Iowa.  Obviously Robinson being out hurt as he was taking over the Washington role.  Still, Washington has a top end that is really, really rare.  Also, there is no more Stanley.

 

-Injury/Weight--I think Martinez was pretty banged up this year, moreso than last year.  He was noticeably bulkier this year but shoot, that's also just him becoming a man and growing.  He definitely seemed to lack a little bit of explosiveness but again, could just be some injury stuff.

 

-Shakier O-Line--Now, I do think the O-Line made some really nice strides at the end of the year but they were also just brutal for large parts of the season.  

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There were many many times in fact when 2AM had plenty of time back there yet still managed to hold on to the ball too long or just not make the correct decision as to where to go with the football consequently missing wide open receivers or just throwing right into coverage also.   I mean you can list all the excuses you want but even the announcers during several games including the last one against Iowa in fact commented on his decision making or lack thereof.

 

He was a head case this year imo which was definitely a surprise to me in year 2 of running our offense.  You could see it in his eyes to me at least.

 

Really really hoping that is not the case in year 3...

 

 

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The play McCaffrey threw the TD on has been in our playbook, we ran it a few times against Indiana I believe and probably a couple other games. It's an RPO, just a hard sprint to the edge - if the defense comes up you throw it over top, if they stay back it's tuck and run for 5-10 yards. It was a good throw and a good sell on the run, but one good throw doesn't mean he's definitely a better passer.

 

I'm all for an open competition, we're just going to hear a ton of whining about how it wasn't a fair competition when Martinez likely wins it again. But in any case I like where we are - either Martinez overcomes the injuries/whatever he was dealing with and is the QB we expected, or he's not and McCaffrey or Vedral take over. I expect it to be the former option, but we'll see.

 

3 hours ago, madrat said:

Vedral runs the progression.  Vedral's 50% passing is much better for the team than the 67% of simple throws made by Martinez.  Vedral focuses on the defense and taking chunks.  Martinez has about a quarter per game where it looks like he has focus then it unravels.  Martinez focuses too much on the dink in the dink and dunk offense when it is the dunks that open up the run game.

Lol no

 

2 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

There were many many times in fact when 2AM had plenty of time back there yet still managed to hold on to the ball too long or just not make the correct decision as to where to go with the football and consequently missing wide open receivers or just throwing right into coverage.   I mean you can list all the excuses you want but even the announcers during several games including the last one against Iowa in fact commented on his decision making or lack thereof.

 

The announcers are morons who get talking points and hammer them home whether they're accurate or not. I was laughing one of the times where Martinez just made it to the first down marker because he hesitated, and they go "he was very decisive there!" because they had to fit something in. I agree he had problems this year, but using the announcers' comments doesn't work to back it up IMO.

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20 hours ago, alexhortdog95 said:

Watch Martinez when he runs an option, and watch McCaffery when he runs an option.  There's a definite killer instinct gap there in the way that very simple play is run.

 

Sure, he runs the option far better than Adrian. But can he actually stand in the pocket and execute Frost's full playbook? We don't know. We just don't.

 

Maybe by next season he can.

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Do we know Adrian can run Frost’s full offense ?   No.  
Do we know what Frost’s full offense even is?   If what we’ve seen is all of it, then more needs to be added - no matter which QB is in the game.  Clearly we are struggling mightily to score and or move the ball consistently.  Evidence the high number of

punts and 3&outs vs nearly all our opponents over two seasons.  
We’ve gained lots of yards but scored about 2 or 3 TDs a game less than yardage would tend to indicate.  Just my general observation.  I’m fairly sure the stats would tend to prove our offense has been very inefficient when comparing points per yards of total offense.  
I haven’t looked but I suspect our punter has been way too busy this year in almost every game.

I agree we have not seen much of our back up QBs in two seasons so we don’t know how well he may do but we do know we are not winning many games as it has been.   

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37 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Clearly we are struggling mightily to score and or move the ball consistently.  Evidence the high number of

punts and 3&outs vs nearly all our opponents over two seasons.

 

So much of this get fixed with better, bigger, and stronger offensive linemen. Which are on the roster or coming onto the team in this recruiting class.

 

In 2022 when McCaffrey is the starter and if we have a dominant offense, I highly doubt many fans will give Adrian the benefit of the doubt in terms of the poor pass blocking he had to deal with. 

 

We can point out the things that Adrian is doing worse in year 2 than what he did in year 1, but it's not like we're an 8-4 team with Luke or Noah at all.

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I just don't know how there can be such a difference of opinion when watching the same games. It's sad that Martinez could not be more successful this year, but watching the games made it obvious that he just didn't have it. Both McCaffrey and Vedral look to have more energy and confidence. I just don't see what you people are watching.

 

McCaffrey's touchdown was not a trick play at all. It was a sprint out pass thrown perfectly for a touchdown.

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12 hours ago, jamesbond said:

I just don't know how there can be such a difference of opinion when watching the same games. It's sad that Martinez could not be more successful this year, but watching the games made it obvious that he just didn't have it. Both McCaffrey and Vedral look to have more energy and confidence. I just don't see what you people are watching.

 

McCaffrey's touchdown was not a trick play at all. It was a sprint out pass thrown perfectly for a touchdown.

Did they look better?  Vedral started MN and we scored 7 pts.  I’ll agree both seemed more decisive and ran harder.  What did that get both of them...injured.  Vedral sat for 1-2 and I don’t think was 100% post IU and Luke sat for 1-2 but was maybe healthier than vedral.  The lack of competent oline play, no real playmaker on the edge, and lack of run game had to make playcalling and qb play frustrating as all get out.  Does AM need to get better, absolutely but neither vedral or mccaffrey make a significant difference given the depth and talent at key positions.  I’m excited about the depth at QB in the future but want to ask ppl that are so sure there won’t be an open and transparent process (for the players) in an open competition.  What are you basing that on?

 

Hell at at one point in the iowa game inside our own 20 and 3rd down we had Williams, stoll, Allen, mazour, and #88?...who the hell do you have any confidence in to get open and make a play.....none.

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I'd sum up my backup QB feeling this way - McCaffrey was exciting to watch and has a ton of potential. I didn't see anything from him that made me more excited than I had been watching Martinez last year, which isn't a knock on McCaffrey at all. So either Martinez steps back up or McCaffrey does, and both have shown the ability to be game changing players. I expect every player to have to continue to earn their playing time, QBs included.

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