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11 minutes ago, BigPeterJ said:

I am a lil worried of just that.  I think McCaffrey could be better than Martinez, and Frost still goes with Martinez.  Not saying Frost will do that, but it is a worry of mine.  Luke could be the next Eric Crouch or Tommie Frazier.  In fact I'd crown him with the Hesiman right now if i could.

There’s nothing, to lead you to that concern.  If you  have a few  actual reasons I’d like to hear them.  Crowning a kid that has yet to attempt 20 passes is the reasons we have washouts and busts.  Let the kids develop, they all have work to do and let the winner come out on top.  The way that whole freshman class was talking last yr I have a hard time thinking their not here for the long haul and to win some games... I’m talking luke,wandale, and Nelson for sure.

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I think it's more the fact that Noah saw how good Luke is and probably got a glimpse of Logan's abilities as well. I wish him nothing but the best, but we still have some studs there.

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5 hours ago, N is for nowledge said:

How is he “finding out” in year 1.5 he is NEVER going to start ahead of AM and a kid that just stepped on campus 30 days ago.  I realize it’s the off-season but Jesus.  The idea he’s transfers came from where?  That his daddy now coaches at a college, any college.  What about Dylan, maybe they can both go back?  Does Christian have any eligibility left?  Is there a baby of the family?  I heard, from a guy, that knows a girl, that saw her ex-husbands babysitters, boyfriend at 31 flavors last night that all our coaches are going to start recruiting on Mars for the next 7 star player.  I know how cool.  That rumor has as much truth to it as this one about mccaffrey.

 

TBH..I'm a little surprised that the Colorado Buffs haven't offered Ed McCaffrey the HC position yet. 

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5 hours ago, N is for nowledge said:

There’s nothing, to lead you to that concern.  If you  have a few  actual reasons I’d like to hear them.  Crowning a kid that has yet to attempt 20 passes is the reasons we have washouts and busts.  Let the kids develop, they all have work to do and let the winner come out on top.  The way that whole freshman class was talking last yr I have a hard time thinking their not here for the long haul and to win some games... I’m talking luke,wandale, and Nelson for sure.

My reason for that concern is just the way last year played out.  Just felt Luke was a better QB and Frost has a bias toward AM.  I could be wrong, but thats how I feel.

 

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1 minute ago, HUSKER 37 said:

 

Bring back the old Player/Coach position?  Now that you mention it, I think last year's starting QB (who played ahead of Luke in High school) is recently in the transfer portal.

Colorado's starting QB? And yea, Luke would be a steal for the Buffs.  He could be both a Heisman QB and a Coach of the year candudate, 2 for 1 deal.

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5 minutes ago, BigPeterJ said:

My reason for that concern is just the way last year played out.  Just felt Luke was a better QB and Frost has a bias toward AM.  I could be wrong, but thats how I feel.

 

Why did you think Luke was the ''better QB''?

He did seem to get better snaps which helped his timing, Completed some wobbly passes and ran with more purpose than 2AM but such a small number of plays...Still think overall. Vedral had the best ''look'' of the 3...And I'm guessing 2AM was hurt more than the coach is letting on.

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8 minutes ago, HUSKER 37 said:

Why did you think Luke was the ''better QB''?

He did seem to get better snaps which helped his timing, Completed some wobbly passes and ran with more purpose than 2AM but such a small number of plays...Still think overall. Vedral had the best ''look'' of the 3...And I'm guessing 2AM was hurt more than the coach is letting on.

3fold.  1) Luke was the best QB in his limited snaps.  Yes it was a small sample size, but what else do we have to go on?  Also you could use that argument for him.  Coming cold off the bench n STILL performed.  Imagine how he would have been in a rhythm.

2) Regardless of his talents, he seems to be the biggest fighter.  Spirit, Drive, Contagious energy that effects entire team.

3) just a gut feeling (but regardless of if he passes the ball well, you got some things guarenteed) Fastest QB, gonna be high energy, gonna bring that spirit n soul.  Even IF he doesn't pass the ball well, it cant be much worse than AM was, and you dont get those 3 traits i mentioned from AM or Vedral, at least not on the level of Luke.

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1 hour ago, BigPeterJ said:

3fold.  1) Luke was the best QB in his limited snaps.  Yes it was a small sample size, but what else do we have to go on?  Also you could use that argument for him.  Coming cold off the bench n STILL performed.  Imagine how he would have been in a rhythm.

2) Regardless of his talents, he seems to be the biggest fighter.  Spirit, Drive, Contagious energy that effects entire team.

3) just a gut feeling (but regardless of if he passes the ball well, you got some things guarenteed) Fastest QB, gonna be high energy, gonna bring that spirit n soul.  Even IF he doesn't pass the ball well, it cant be much worse than AM was, and you dont get those 3 traits i mentioned from AM or Vedral, at least not on the level of Luke.

Your 2nd and 3rd points are basically the same thing.  They are intangible qualities, which I agree Luke looks to have. Regarding your first point, it was easier for Luke to come in and look good in specifically designed play calls for him, in limited action. He wasn’t running the full play book when he was playing. Also, he was very thin in 2019, and is significantly the smallest QB, among the top 4 QB’s. His size will be an issue in staying healthy.  

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36 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

. He wasn’t running the full play book when he was playing. Also, he was very thin in 2019, and is significantly the smallest QB, among the top 4 QB’s. His size will be an issue in staying healthy.  

To these points, AM looked great with smaller size and limited playbook his first year as well. 

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On 12/26/2019 at 3:06 PM, Landlord said:

In the interest of curiosity, I went and watched the Indiana game, which I never saw because I was working that day. I also watched all of Luke's passes from every other game

 

1st pass - Simple halfback screen dump, complete

2nd pass - Rollout right, no reads just a single receiver wide open in the endzone, complete (receiver had to adjust awkwardly as it wasn't really in stride and on the numbers, but was fine nonetheless)

3rd pass - Incomplete, threw it in the dirt 3 yards in front of the receiver

4th pass - No read, simple dump out to Wandale in the flat, complete (good pass, on the numbers in stride)

5th pass - Pump fake to Wandale, went through a read, nice play complete to Noa for a first down

6th pass - bubble to Wandale, complete but at his feet

7th pass (Maryland) - trick play black 41 flash reverse - complete, would have been a touchdown if he didn't underthrow Spielman

8th pass - incomplete, i guess trying a back shoulder end zone throw? Threw it in the dirt 2 yards short of the receiver's feet

9th pass - bubble to woodyard, no read, complete, good throw

10th pass - pop pass handoff to woodyard on end around

11th pass - rollout left, incomplete to hickman

12th pass (Iowa) - arguable "trick play", no read, wide open to JD in stride for a touchdown

 

 

I mean...

3 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

3fold. 

1) Luke was the best QB in his limited snaps.  Yes it was a small sample size, but what else do we have to go on?  Also you could use that argument for him.  Coming cold off the bench n STILL performed.  Imagine how he would have been in a rhythm.

 

2) Regardless of his talents, he seems to be the biggest fighter.  Spirit, Drive, Contagious energy that effects entire team.

 

3) just a gut feeling (but regardless of if he passes the ball well, you got some things guaranteed) Fastest QB, gonna be high energy, gonna bring that spirit n soul.  Even IF he doesn't pass the ball well, it cant be much worse than AM was, and you don't get those 3 traits i mentioned from AM or Vedral, at least not on the level of Luke.

 

I like all 3 of these guys.

 

After watching the video of our swing/screen passes shared in another thread...and above:

 

1) Looked like 2AM threw about half of his swing passes  behind the receivers or their trailing foots. 

2) Luke completed maybe two nice screens just behind our OTs..Which is an easier throw than the swing pass to the sidelines.

3) Vedral appeared to hit ~80% in stride and in the #s. on his 40 or so swing passes.

 

Adrian seems to be able to make throws that I haven't seen a Husker QB make since Sam Keller (when he was here at ASU).

He also seemed to throw picks when the line gave him too much time...Which really concerns me.

 

Vedral seemed to be our best option ...at running and swing passes..And at chasing down an opposing lineman returning his shovel pass.

 

Luke looks very raw....Maybe due to running on too much adrenaline in the short amount of plays he's been in...I expect he'll show the most improvement this next season.

 

They all seem to have similar speed, but Adrian tended to hesitate last season..Hopefully that will improve with further healing.

 

I guess a lot depends on what sort of plays we plan to run and maybe opponent's tendencies...Seems like more teams are playing more than just one QB in games lately...I'd almost like to see us play more than one on single plays.

 

 

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3 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

3fold.  1) Luke was the best QB in his limited snaps.  Yes it was a small sample size, but what else do we have to go on?  Also you could use that argument for him.  Coming cold off the bench n STILL performed.  Imagine how he would have been in a rhythm.

2) Regardless of his talents, he seems to be the biggest fighter.  Spirit, Drive, Contagious energy that effects entire team.

3) just a gut feeling (but regardless of if he passes the ball well, you got some things guarenteed) Fastest QB, gonna be high energy, gonna bring that spirit n soul.  Even IF he doesn't pass the ball well, it cant be much worse than AM was, and you dont get those 3 traits i mentioned from AM or Vedral, at least not on the level of Luke.

So, just stating the facts.  I too like his running ability, same as vedral, over AM.  That running style and gameplan, while necessary, put both Luke and vedral on the bench nursing injuries after one game for 2-3 weeks.  Not really a qb or system I think makes it the entire season.  I like Luke and think he could very well be the best qb of the bunch in time, but in his freshman yr to make statement indicating he’s the best by far is a huge leap

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1 hour ago, Husker03 said:

To these points, AM looked great with smaller size and limited playbook his first year as well. 

To these points AM also was playing healthy with a much better supporting cast than in 2019.  He also ran the whole offense all game so has a much bigger sample size to analyze.  Some husker fans are the best, trying to run off an actual preseason heisman candidate in favor of their self appointed one with less than 20 pass attempts, 0-1 record as a starter, and 4 games played in.  Gotta love the offseason around here.

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2 hours ago, N is for nowledge said:

To these points AM also was playing healthy with a much better supporting cast than in 2019.  He also ran the whole offense all game so has a much bigger sample size to analyze.  Some husker fans are the best, trying to run off an actual preseason heisman candidate in favor of their self appointed one with less than 20 pass attempts, 0-1 record as a starter, and 4 games played in.  Gotta love the offseason around here.

I'm like Scott Frost, pot committed to AM. I spent all last season arguing with friends and family that he's exactly the horse I thought he was as a Freshman, he just had a slump year and will bring us offensive riches in 2020 and 2021.. I need to be right about this because I dug my heels in deep. 

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