Evaluating where Iowa is

[swmohusker]

1 hour ago, .1. said:

Yeah, I know about that "World's easiest schedule" Iowa had in 2015 where a 6-7 Nebraska team was their toughest opposition that they barely beat by one score. But yeah, besides that Iowa just had the best season they could possibly have for the most part when playing a "real schedule". And they don't just reload their players like that since they can't recruit that well. So that usually means a somewhat of a "dip" is about to happen for them the very next season afterwords. 

Iowa is a solid team.  You have not come to terms with that.  We will be better than them soon but you hav to acknowledge they have been pretty darn solid over the last 4 or 5 years

[.1.]

2 hours ago, swmohusker said:

Iowa is a solid team.  You have not come to terms with that.  We will be better than them soon but you hav to acknowledge they have been pretty darn solid over the last 4 or 5 years

Solid they are, but let's not create a hyperbole by saying they "invincible". They can be taken down. There's at least 5 teams perennially better than them in the Big Ten. 

[runningblind]

On 1/24/2020 at 3:35 AM, .1. said:

Iowa just had the best season they'll have in a pretty long time from now. They're not going to be any better. In fact, they're going down by Nebraska in year 3 under Frost even at Kinnick Stadium. They won't even have their S & C edge over the Huskers in year 3 of coach Duval as well either. 

 

On 1/24/2020 at 7:42 PM, .1. said:

Yeah, I know about that "World's easiest schedule" Iowa had in 2015 where a 6-7 Nebraska team was their toughest opposition that they barely beat by one score. But yeah, besides that Iowa just had the best season they could possibly have for the most part when playing a "real schedule". And they don't just reload their players like that since they can't recruit that well. So that usually means a somewhat of a "dip" is about to happen for them the very next season afterwords. 

People keep saying that, and they keep beating us.  5 in a row and 6 out of 9 since we joined the league. 

 

Do you know what a game where you outscore the opponent by 60 is called? How about outscoring them by 1? Funny enough, they're both called wins.  Same goes for losses. Moral victories don't count on the stat sheet. 

 

Here is Iowa since 2011:

11: 7-6 (4-4)
12: 4-8 (2-6)
13: 8-5 (5-3)
14: 7-6 (4-4)
15: 12-2 (8-0)
16: 8-5 (6-3)
17: 8-5 (4-5)
18: 9-4 (5-4)
19: 10-3 (6-3)
Total: 73-44 (44-32)
V. Nebraska: 6-3
Last 5 years: 46-19 (29-15), 5-0 vs. Neb
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 3-5
All Conference (first team): 17
All Americans: 6 

 

Here is Nebraska:

11: 9-4 (5-3)
12: 10-4 (7-1)
13: 9-4 (5-3)
14: 9-4 (5-3)
15: 6-7 (3-5)
16: 9-4 (6-3)
17: 4-8 (3-6)
18: 4-8 (4-5)
19: 5-7 (3-6)
Total: 65-50 (41-35)
V. Iowa: 3-6
Last 5 years: 28-34 (19-25), 0-5 vs. Iowa
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 2-4
All Conference (first team): 10 (none since 2015)
All Americans: 1 (none since 2011) 

 

Make fun of them all you want but they've been an overall better program for a decade now, and significantly better over the last 5 years. 

Edited January 27, 2020 by runningblind
Had All Conference years/numbers wrong

[hskrfan4life]

18 hours ago, runningblind said:

 

People keep saying that, and they keep beating us.  5 in a row and 6 out of 9 since we joined the league. 

 

Do you know what a game where you outscore the opponent by 60 is called? How about outscoring them by 1? Funny enough, they're both called wins.  Same goes for losses. Moral victories don't count on the stat sheet. 

 

Here is Iowa since 2011:

11: 7-6 (4-4)
12: 4-8 (2-6)
13: 8-5 (5-3)
14: 7-6 (4-4)
15: 12-2 (8-0)
16: 8-5 (6-3)
17: 8-5 (4-5)
18: 9-4 (5-4)
19: 10-3 (6-3)
Total: 73-44 (44-32)
V. Nebraska: 6-3
Last 5 years: 46-19 (29-15), 5-0 vs. Neb
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 3-5
All Conference (first team): 17
All Americans: 6 

 

Here is Nebraska:

11: 9-4 (5-3)
12: 10-4 (7-1)
13: 9-4 (5-3)
14: 9-4 (5-3)
15: 6-7 (3-5)
16: 9-4 (6-3)
17: 4-8 (3-6)
18: 4-8 (4-5)
19: 5-7 (3-6)
Total: 65-50 (41-35)
V. Iowa: 3-6
Last 5 years: 28-34 (19-25), 0-5 vs. Iowa
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 2-4
All Conference (first team): 4 (none since 2011)
All Americans: 1 (none since 2011) 

 

Make fun of them all you want but they've been an overall better program for a decade now, and significantly better over the last 5 years. 

Yet still 1 division title even though they have been "significantly" better than us.

[runningblind]

12 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said:

Yet still 1 division title even though they have been "significantly" better than us.

I don't think you can argue that they haven't been significantly better over the last 5 years,  just look at the numbers.  Yes they only have one division title,  you're correct.  That fact speaks more about just how bad Nebraska has been, if a team can only have one division title and still be significantly better.  That also doesn't take into account that another team has been even better than Iowa, aka Wisconsin. 

 

[lo country]

2 hours ago, runningblind said:

I don't think you can argue that they haven't been significantly better over the last 5 years,  just look at the numbers.  Yes they only have one division title,  you're correct.  That fact speaks more about just how bad Nebraska has been, if a team can only have one division title and still be significantly better.  That also doesn't take into account that another team has been even better than Iowa, aka Wisconsin. 

 

Not to mention 4-3 against Purdue since joining the B1G.....Sadly, regardless of perception, at the end of the day the scoreboard doesn't lie........We have a lot of work to do.  Wins is what matters. And roght now, we have been on the short end of winning......

[BigPeterJ]

On 1/25/2020 at 5:53 PM, runningblind said:

 

People keep saying that, and they keep beating us.  5 in a row and 6 out of 9 since we joined the league. 

 

Do you know what a game where you outscore the opponent by 60 is called? How about outscoring them by 1? Funny enough, they're both called wins.  Same goes for losses. Moral victories don't count on the stat sheet. 

 

Here is Iowa since 2011:

11: 7-6 (4-4)
12: 4-8 (2-6)
13: 8-5 (5-3)
14: 7-6 (4-4)
15: 12-2 (8-0)
16: 8-5 (6-3)
17: 8-5 (4-5)
18: 9-4 (5-4)
19: 10-3 (6-3)
Total: 73-44 (44-32)
V. Nebraska: 6-3
Last 5 years: 46-19 (29-15), 5-0 vs. Neb
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 3-5
All Conference (first team): 17
All Americans: 6 

 

Here is Nebraska:

11: 9-4 (5-3)
12: 10-4 (7-1)
13: 9-4 (5-3)
14: 9-4 (5-3)
15: 6-7 (3-5)
16: 9-4 (6-3)
17: 4-8 (3-6)
18: 4-8 (4-5)
19: 5-7 (3-6)
Total: 65-50 (41-35)
V. Iowa: 3-6
Last 5 years: 28-34 (19-25), 0-5 vs. Iowa
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 2-4
All Conference (first team): 4 (none since 2011)
All Americans: 1 (none since 2011) 

 

Make fun of them all you want but they've been an overall better program for a decade now, and significantly better over the last 5 years. 

The bolded.  As bad as it gets.  Has to be one of the worst in CFB Power5.

 

Edit: since 2011 literally ZERO All Conference players and ZERO All Americans.  Literally has to be tied for worst in Power5

[Toe]

On 1/25/2020 at 6:53 PM, runningblind said:

Here is Nebraska:

All Conference (first team): 4 (none since 2011)

 

Did you mean 2015? Because I know trying to minimize how good Bo's teams were is a popular passtime for some around here, but that's factually incorrect. In 2012, Spencer Long was consensus first team All-Conference,  Taylor Martinez was on coaches first team list, and Brett Maher, Eric Martin, and Damion Stafford were on the media first team list. In 2013, Ameer Abdullah and Randy Gregory were consensus, and Ciante Evans was on the coaches list. In 2014, Randy Gregory was consensus and Kenny Bell was on the coaches team.

 

After that, it's just Sam Foltz's consensus 2015 pick. No offensive or defensive players have from Nebraska have been a first team selection on either list since Bo left.

 

[runningblind]

15 minutes ago, Toe said:

 

Did you mean 2015? Because I know trying to minimize how good Bo's teams were is a popular passtime for some around here, but that's factually incorrect. In 2012, Spencer Long was consensus first team All-Conference,  Taylor Martinez was on coaches first team list, and Brett Maher, Eric Martin, and Damion Stafford were on the media first team list. In 2013, Ameer Abdullah and Randy Gregory were consensus, and Ciante Evans was on the coaches list. In 2014, Randy Gregory was consensus and Kenny Bell was on the coaches team.

 

After that, it's just Sam Foltz's consensus 2015 pick. No offensive or defensive players have from Nebraska have been a first team selection on either list since Bo left.

 

You're right,  the 2011 number was from the AA, the AC is a typo. 10 and none since 2015 is correct. 

[BigPeterJ]

3 hours ago, runningblind said:

You're right,  the 2011 number was from the AA, the AC is a typo. 10 and none since 2015 is correct. 

You made me look like an idiot! Thats hard to do btw...

[.1.]

 

On 1/25/2020 at 5:53 PM, runningblind said:

 

People keep saying that, and they keep beating us.  5 in a row and 6 out of 9 since we joined the league. 

 

Do you know what a game where you outscore the opponent by 60 is called? How about outscoring them by 1? Funny enough, they're both called wins.  Same goes for losses. Moral victories don't count on the stat sheet. 

 

Here is Iowa since 2011:

11: 7-6 (4-4)
12: 4-8 (2-6)
13: 8-5 (5-3)
14: 7-6 (4-4)
15: 12-2 (8-0)
16: 8-5 (6-3)
17: 8-5 (4-5)
18: 9-4 (5-4)
19: 10-3 (6-3)
Total: 73-44 (44-32)
V. Nebraska: 6-3
Last 5 years: 46-19 (29-15), 5-0 vs. Neb
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 3-5
All Conference (first team): 17
All Americans: 6 

 

Here is Nebraska:

11: 9-4 (5-3)
12: 10-4 (7-1)
13: 9-4 (5-3)
14: 9-4 (5-3)
15: 6-7 (3-5)
16: 9-4 (6-3)
17: 4-8 (3-6)
18: 4-8 (4-5)
19: 5-7 (3-6)
Total: 65-50 (41-35)
V. Iowa: 3-6
Last 5 years: 28-34 (19-25), 0-5 vs. Iowa
Division Titles: 1
Bowls: 2-4
All Conference (first team): 10 (none since 2015)
All Americans: 1 (none since 2011) 

 

Make fun of them all you want but they've been an overall better program for a decade now, and significantly better over the last 5 years. 

Who's arguing that Iowa's been better than Nebraska for the past couple of years? We know they have. But why are you skipping when I said this:

 

On 1/25/2020 at 1:00 AM, .1. said:

Solid they are, but let's not create a hyperbole by saying they "invincible". They can be taken down. There's at least 5 teams perennially better than them in the Big Ten. 

 

[runningblind]

7 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

You made me look like an idiot! Thats hard to do btw...

Yep, screwed that one up.

 

6 hours ago, .1. said:

 

Who's arguing that Iowa's been better than Nebraska for the past couple of years? We know they have. But why are you skipping when I said this:

 

 

  On 1/25/2020 at 12:00 AM, .1. said:

Solid they are, but let's not create a hyperbole by saying they "invincible". They can be taken down. There's at least 5 teams perennially better than them in the Big Ten. 

I am not sure how that relates to them still being better than Nebraska for 5 years?  That puts Nebraska even farther down the ladder. 

[BigPeterJ]

4 hours ago, runningblind said:

Yep, screwed that one up.

 

  On 1/25/2020 at 12:00 AM, .1. said:

Solid they are, but let's not create a hyperbole by saying they "invincible". They can be taken down. There's at least 5 teams perennially better than them in the Big Ten. 

I am not sure how that relates to them still being better than Nebraska for 5 years?  That puts Nebraska even farther down the ladder. 

Your point still stands.  ZERO All Conference  since 2015? If i understand corralecticly.  That still says ALOT.  I mean people here think we have more talent than Iowa lmao.  Not even more than Purdue.

 

Edit:

Ok maybe a bit of exaggeration, but fact is we have lacked talent to a serious degree.  We might have equal talent to slightly more than Purdue, but we have had far less than Iowa has had.  This is why Iowa makes fun of our fan base.  We look at Iowa as a manure field, but truth is two-fold ;   One- Iowa isn't as average as Nebraskans perceive it (as a football program that is!  As a state they truly are a manure field).  Two- Nebraska has had talent on the level of Minnesota/Kansas State/Missouri/Purdue Etc..., but our fanbase still thinks we have top 25 talent due to our recruiting rankings.  We HAVE finished around 25th in recruiting rankings for a while now.  But we have lost more to attrition/coaching changes, and simply busts than almost anyone.  After all that, what is left on our roster is very weak talent levels......less than Iowa and less than 80% of the BIG.

[.1.]

15 hours ago, runningblind said:

Yep, screwed that one up.

 

  On 1/25/2020 at 12:00 AM, .1. said:

Solid they are, but let's not create a hyperbole by saying they "invincible". They can be taken down. There's at least 5 teams perennially better than them in the Big Ten. 

I am not sure how that relates to them still being better than Nebraska for 5 years?  That puts Nebraska even farther down the ladder. 

My point was Iowa can be taken down. Stop trying to make them seem like they're invincible or a damn perennial powerhouse. 

[.1.]

10 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

Your point still stands.  ZERO All Conference  since 2015? If i understand corralecticly.  That still says ALOT.  I mean people here think we have more talent than Iowa lmao.  Not even more than Purdue.

 

Edit:

Ok maybe a bit of exaggeration, but fact is we have lacked talent to a serious degree.  We might have equal talent to slightly more than Purdue, but we have had far less than Iowa has had.  This is why Iowa makes fun of our fan base.  We look at Iowa as a manure field, but truth is two-fold ;   One- Iowa isn't as average as Nebraskans perceive it (as a football program that is!  As a state they truly are a manure field).  Two- Nebraska has had talent on the level of Minnesota/Kansas State/Missouri/Purdue Etc..., but our fanbase still thinks we have top 25 talent due to our recruiting rankings.  We HAVE finished around 25th in recruiting rankings for a while now.  But we have lost more to attrition/coaching changes, and simply busts than almost anyone.  After all that, what is left on our roster is very weak talent levels......less than Iowa and less than 80% of the BIG.

Frost has had 2 "non-bowl" off-seasons now to carefully recruit some damn talent on this team. I understand most of his first class was a bust due to lack of careful evaluation as he was busy coaching UCF to a fully perfect season and the early sign date worked against him at the worst time possible, but if we suck more than Purdue, Maryland, or any of those kinds of teams then Frost has GOT to go. We really should even be better than Iowa since not only are we perennially recruiting waaaay above them but now it should be Frost's "careful" gotdamn eye that can fully SEE which players are for real actually talented, have good morals, good grades, etc since again he's had 2 damn non-bowl game making off season (so pleeeenty of time to carefully "evaluate") to put some talented as players on this damn team. So we should be whooping Iowa and plenty of others teams this upcoming season as well.