This might be an unpopular opinion, but...

[TGHusker]

36 minutes ago, Fru said:

Correct me if I’m wrong TG, but didn’t Oklahoma significantly cut funding for schools, because they said the projections of the gambling revenue would be enough? But then the gambling revenue was so low the schools were drastically underfunded, leading to the teacher strike a couple years ago? 

I'm not sure that they cut funding so much as they didn't keep pace - reliant on the gambling and the lottery.  In the mid 90s we based what was suppose to be the cure all spending bill. When that didn't pan out long term, we passed the lottery and then the gaming. 

We then had the big teacher's strike &  we passed another massive education funding bill. Now Gov Stitt, who has modeled himself as the millionaire business guy after Trump is going after the tribes for more money.  

 

With that said, education should be funded properly. However in Okla we have has so many districts that could be merged with other districts to reduce admin costs but no one has taken that courageous step to do so. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

I mentioned this in an old thread. I used to work for Ladbrokes, the UK gambling giant, doing ads and commercials for their local card rooms and horsetracks. They always had us show healthy young couples enjoying themselves at the tables and tracks and sampling the upscale buffet. The racetrack promoted Family Nights with special events for the kids. But one day our client -- who looked more than a little like Joe Pesci -- admitted it was mostly bulls#!t. The target customer was and always had been the gambling addict, and every local Ladbrokes affiliate knew what day the welfare and social security checks went out and marketed around it. 

 

It's a vice that really can't be banned or driven underground, but yeah....it harvests its share of human misery. 

[Cdog923]

2 hours ago, Fru said:

Ah yes , the obligatory straw man argument. Well done. You are very smart.

 

I’m not against gambling as a whole. I’m against it being in Neb. Those are two different things. 
 

If you want to gamble, go for it. Head on over to Council Tucky. 

 

Yea, take your millions of dollars and spend it someplace other than the state you live in. 

[funhusker]

1 hour ago, Fru said:

Sorry it’s just tough for me to focus when the goalposts keep moving. First I thought TO shouldn’t talk about legislation, then the conversation moved to alcohol and tobacco, now it’s “Eh it’s a half hour away, who cares?”

 

What benefits? Just because a state has legalized gambling doesn’t mean it generates unmitigated revenue. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/illinois-video-gambling-some-states-waiting-gambling-windfall/amp

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-illinois-gambling-report-20190912-ga56b2vu5bcrfaobgq53iu5w3e-story.html%3foutputType=amp

You're the one that brought up "social costs", and how they would outweigh any revenue.

 

We just followed...

[Cdog923]

3 hours ago, Fru said:

Sorry it’s just tough for me to focus when the goalposts keep moving. First I thought TO shouldn’t talk about legislation, then the conversation moved to alcohol and tobacco, now it’s “Eh it’s a half hour away, who cares?”

 

What benefits? Just because a state has legalized gambling doesn’t mean it generates unmitigated revenue. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/illinois-video-gambling-some-states-waiting-gambling-windfall/amp

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-illinois-gambling-report-20190912-ga56b2vu5bcrfaobgq53iu5w3e-story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

No one has moved the goalposts, sir. The fact of the matter is that, going back to 2013, nearly a quarter of Iowa's gambling revenue was from Nebraskans; this number being $327 million. The state's finale revenue balance in the fiscal year ending in 2013 was $315 million. I would also venture to guess that Iowa's revenue input from Nebraskans gambling across the border has done nothing but increase since sports betting was legalized.

 

So, no, it's not unmitigated revenue, but in a landlocked state with low growth, industry fleeing the state, a woefully underfunded education system, and the want to provide property tax relief, no revenue stone should be left unturned. 

 

Sources: 

 

- https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/nebraskans-spent-million-at-iowa-casinos-in/article_b071cafd-1c00-5c3e-ba99-d68e2694f4c3.html

 

- https://das.nebraska.gov/accounting/budrept/buddoc13.pdf

[Fru]

2 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

No one has moved the goalposts, sir. The fact of the matter is that, going back to 2013, nearly a quarter of Iowa's gambling revenue was from Nebraskans; this number being $327 million. The state's finale revenue balance in the fiscal year ending in 2013 was $315 million. I would also venture to guess that Iowa's revenue input from Nebraskans gambling across the border has done nothing but increase since sports betting was legalized.

 

So, no, it's not unmitigated revenue, but in a landlocked state with low growth, industry fleeing the state, a woefully underfunded education system, and the want to provide property tax relief, no revenue stone should be left unturned. 

 

Sources: 

 

- https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/nebraskans-spent-million-at-iowa-casinos-in/article_b071cafd-1c00-5c3e-ba99-d68e2694f4c3.html

 

- https://das.nebraska.gov/accounting/budrept/buddoc13.pdf

Revenue wasn’t mentioned in your initial post, which I responded to. You were telling TO to stay away from legislation. Nothing about revenue. Then someone came in and went off about how alcohol and tobacco are legal. I’ve stayed consistent in my posts. 
 

I don’t contend that Nebraskans have contributed to Iowa’s casinos. What I’ve tried to point out, is that the social cost of casinos often outweighs the revenue, most of which citizens never see. Crime, bankruptcies, suicides, divorces, etc. These are the things that negate the revenue. 

 

If you want an honest look at what gambling does to a community, you can’t just look at Iowa. There’s plenty of examples (That I’ve provided in links above) of states relying on this “revenue” and it rarely produces the expected results and oftentimes makes things worse.
 

TG chimed in about how all of this projected casino revenue has ravaged the education system in Oklahoma. Guy C mentioned how the true target demographic is the addict. Doesn’t sound like the kind of thing I would want for Neb. 
 

https://www.krgv.com/news/ap-most-states-sports-betting-revenue-misses-estimates 

 

“Tax revenue has fallen far short of projections in four of the six states where gambling on sporting events started last year, according to an Associated Press analysis.”

 

or 

 

“Inglewood is one of those places where the economy has nowhere to go but up. Before the Hollywood Park Casino opened, city officials predicted the card club would generate up to $10 million each year for the city. (In California, slots aren’t legal outside of Native American casinos, only card games and pari-mutuel or pooled betting. So these casinos are also known as card clubs or card rooms.) Instead, the Los Angeles Times reported, the club contributed less than $5 million to the city annually for the first several years after its opening; that dropped below $3 million in 2012 and 2013.

Meanwhile, Inglewood ran up an $18 million deficit, and in 2012, its school district was taken over by the state.”

 

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/03/why-casino-driven-development-is-a-roll-of-the-dice/518046/ 

[The Dude]

I wonder how many millions of dollars the state economy misses out on every year by having all those rest areas along I-80.  Usually when people stop at a gas station to use the restroom they'll make a purchase. We hate non-Nebraskans spending their money here as much as we hate Nebraskans spending their money here.

 

Also put a casino in that stupid arch in Kearney.

[Cdog923]

13 hours ago, Fru said:

Revenue wasn’t mentioned in your initial post, which I responded to. You were telling TO to stay away from legislation. Nothing about revenue. Then someone came in and went off about how alcohol and tobacco are legal. I’ve stayed consistent in my posts. 
 

I don’t contend that Nebraskans have contributed to Iowa’s casinos. What I’ve tried to point out, is that the social cost of casinos often outweighs the revenue, most of which citizens never see. Crime, bankruptcies, suicides, divorces, etc. These are the things that negate the revenue. 

 

If you want an honest look at what gambling does to a community, you can’t just look at Iowa. There’s plenty of examples (That I’ve provided in links above) of states relying on this “revenue” and it rarely produces the expected results and oftentimes makes things worse.
 

TG chimed in about how all of this projected casino revenue has ravaged the education system in Oklahoma. Guy C mentioned how the true target demographic is the addict. Doesn’t sound like the kind of thing I would want for Neb. 
 

https://www.krgv.com/news/ap-most-states-sports-betting-revenue-misses-estimates

 

“Tax revenue has fallen far short of projections in four of the six states where gambling on sporting events started last year, according to an Associated Press analysis.”

 

or 

 

“Inglewood is one of those places where the economy has nowhere to go but up. Before the Hollywood Park Casino opened, city officials predicted the card club would generate up to $10 million each year for the city. (In California, slots aren’t legal outside of Native American casinos, only card games and pari-mutuel or pooled betting. So these casinos are also known as card clubs or card rooms.) Instead, the Los Angeles Times reported, the club contributed less than $5 million to the city annually for the first several years after its opening; that dropped below $3 million in 2012 and 2013.

Meanwhile, Inglewood ran up an $18 million deficit, and in 2012, its school district was taken over by the state.”

 

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/03/why-casino-driven-development-is-a-roll-of-the-dice/518046/

 

It's a natural progression of the conversation though, particularly when you were the first person to mention "lost revenue". 

[teachercd]

Legalized sports betting doesn't make people get a divorce...it also doesn't make people rob or shoot other people...in fact legalized sports betting has never made a person do anything, ever...because it can't.  People have made THEIR OWN choice to do those things.

 

If anyone can provide a link that has a video of a betting sheet forcing a human being to file for divorce...I will listen.  

 

TO should keep his mouth shut because he knows the impact he has on so many crazy people in this state.

 

Actually...anyone have a study at how many divorces the CWS causes each summer in Nebraska?

[DevoHusker]

I have always thought the "legal gambling is abhorrent" stance from State officials as a being a bit disingenuous...

 

after all, here in Nebraska, I can purchase Powerball and Nebraska Pick 5 lottery tickets, buy pickle cards, play Bingo, and bet Keno...all while betting on live horse races while I get my drink on...  

[knapplc]

23 hours ago, Fru said:

straw man

 

22 hours ago, Fru said:

straw man.

 

21 hours ago, Fru said:

straw man

 

[funhusker]

2 hours ago, teachercd said:

Legalized sports betting doesn't make people get a divorce...it also doesn't make people rob or shoot other people...in fact legalized sports betting has never made a person do anything, ever...because it can't.  People have made THEIR OWN choice to do those things.

 

If anyone can provide a link that has a video of a betting sheet forcing a human being to file for divorce...I will listen.  

 

TO should keep his mouth shut because he knows the impact he has on so many crazy people in this state.

 

Actually...anyone have a study at how many divorces the CWS causes each summer in Nebraska?

I may be "misremembering", but I think there was stats at one time that showed domestic abuse spiked after Husker losses.

 

Maybe Tom should make legislation that the Huskers aren't allowed to record a loss.  I could get behind that!

[VectorVictor]

 

On 2/11/2020 at 10:22 AM, TGHusker said:

Who would ever thought that 'buckle of the Bible belt' state like Okla would become such a gaming hot spot?

 

C'mon, the stronger the 'thumpin', the bigger the hypocrisy. This pretty much applies to all of the Southern states and their so-called "Christian" denizens. 

 

23 hours ago, Fru said:

Correct me if I’m wrong TG, but didn’t Oklahoma significantly cut funding for schools, because they said the projections of the gambling revenue would be enough? But then the gambling revenue was so low the schools were drastically underfunded, leading to the teacher strike a couple years ago? 

 

Oklahoma slashed funding across the board in 2009/2010 as a direct result of the G.W. Bush economic collapse of 2008 (not unlike what Texass did).  Oklahoma never restored funding post-collapse (not unlike Texass), even as they eventually started seeing pre-collapse revenues (and beyond) post-collapse. Additionally, Oklahoma did other stupid s*** like drastically increase the student/teacher ratio (I think it's up to 30:1 now, including elementary schools) and not keep teacher salaries up to date, which all contributed to the strike. 

 

Info on the Oklahoma strike comes from teacher friends stuck in Oklahoma who are trying to get a job in Texas because it's marginally better, even post-strike.

 

 

[teachercd]

25 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I may be "misremembering", but I think there was stats at one time that showed domestic abuse spiked after Husker losses.

 

Maybe Tom should make legislation that the Huskers aren't allowed to record a loss.  I could get behind that!

Hahahaha!  

[JJ Husker]

On 2/11/2020 at 2:46 PM, The Dude said:

I love Coach and respect his point of view on this topic.  I just fundamentally disagree with it.

 

Just because I disagree with it doesn't mean he needs to stay home.  He should stand up for what he believes in.  This attitude that people who disagree with you need to be silent is rotten to its core, and has given American politics a$$ cancer.

Amen.