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47 minutes ago, teachercd said:

#ButNotInSweden

 

I kid, but, didn't we already know this???  I feel like 6 feet was also sort of the minimum.  

 

 

I think so... I stopped caring as much about touching surfaces a long time ago and just made sure I wore a mask in enclosed spaces. I'm taking a flight in December so... good luck to me.

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It's the airborne part of the equation that is scary.  I being my wife and I live in the city and both own cars.  I'd much rather just order an Uber if I'm just making a quick trip for something but it's the airborne aspect of Covid that has had me driving myself instead.  Trains ie the L don't exactly make me feel safe either and whiile some businesses here are only allowing in literally one person inside their store at a time Walmart here just as one example is an absolute zoo.  No apparent occupancy limits in place at all.  Thankfully I only go into any Walmart when I'm ordering specific vinyl records and need to go inside to pick them up.  

 

And now your daily Covidiot.

 

 

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22 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

I still have a newspaper subscription. For 35 years I have enjoyed 60-90 minutes of coffee, news and solitude on Sundays mornings. 

 

Today, it only takes about 30 minutes, due to the shrinking paper. However, I noted that in today's Editorial section, there are two articles by National writers.

 

Marc Thiessen writes: "Trump did listen to experts on handling the pandemic; they just failed the President" and lays out a well researched timeline that indicate the FDA and CDC failed the people, leading to 200k dead, not Trump.

 

On the opposite side of the page, Robin Abcarian writes "Trump downplayed real threats and inflates fake ones". Robin sets out a case that Trump lied, minimized, and is directly responsible for all 200,000 deaths. 

 

Is it no wonder that there are 2 different points of view on Covid? Who is right? How do people know what to believe? Which stats are correct? Who the hell knows...

 

 

 

With our own eyes we can see that other countries have handled this far better than America.

 

We can see that Trump was briefed on the virus, informed on what to do, and told Bob Woodward in recorded interviews that it was a deadly virus. He then publicly lied about it, saying it was a "hoax," and said that it would just go away one day, like magic. 

 

I'm not sure why anyone would give Trump the benefit of the doubt on any of this yet, but apparently some are still unaware what kind of person he is.  

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13 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

With our own eyes we can see that other countries have handled this far better than America.

 

We can see that Trump was briefed on the virus, informed on what to do, and told Bob Woodward in recorded interviews that it was a deadly virus. He then publicly lied about it, saying it was a "hoax," and said that it would just go away one day, like magic. 

 

I'm not sure why anyone would give Trump the benefit of the doubt on any of this yet, but apparently some are still unaware what kind of person he is.  

No argument here. Although the list of countries we thought were ‘handling’ this seems to be changing a bit. 

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Opps, we sure don't need more confustion

 

https://apnews.com/cfb43dd5a28dd449cd1100a067cfd112

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The top U.S. public health agency stirred confusion by posting — and then taking down — an apparent change in its position on how easily the coronavirus can spread from person to person through the air.

But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say their position has not really changed and that the post last week on the agency’s website was an error that has been taken down.

It was “an honest mistake” that happened when a draft update was posted before going through a full editing and approval process, said Dr. Jay Butler, the CDC’s deputy director for infectious diseases.

The post suggested that the agency believes the virus can hang in the air and spread over an extended distance. But the agency continues to believe larger and heavier droplets that come from coughing or sneezing are the primary means of transmission, Butler said.

Most CDC guidance about social distancing is built around that idea, saying that about 6 feet is a safe buffer between people who are not wearing masks.

In interviews, CDC officials have acknowledged growing evidence that the virus can sometimes be transmitted on even smaller, aerosolized particles or droplets that spread over a wider area. Certain case clusters have been tied to events in which the virus appeared to have spread through the air in, for example, a choir practice. But such incidents did not appear to be common.

Public health experts urge people to wear masks, which can stop or reduce contact with both larger droplets and aerosolized particles.

But for months, agency officials said little about aerosolized particles. So when the CDC quietly posted an update Friday that discussed the particles in more detail, the agency’s position appeared to have changed. The post said the virus can remain suspended in the air and drift more than 6 feet. It also emphasized the importance of indoor ventilation and seemed to describe the coronavirus as the kind of germ that can spread widely through the air.

The post caused widespread discussion in public health circles because of its implications. It could mean, for example, that hospitals might have to place infected people in rooms that are specially designed to prevent air from flowing to other parts of the hospital.

But the CDC is not advising any changes in how far people stay away from each other, how they are housed at hospitals or other measures, Butler said.

The CDC has come under attack for past revisions of guidance during the pandemic, some of which were driven by political pressure by the Trump administration.

Butler said there was no external political pressure behind the change in this instance. “This was an internal issue,. And we’re working hard to address it and make sure it doesn’t happen again,” he said.

In a statement released Monday, the CDC said the revisions to the “How COVID-19 Spreads” page happened “without appropriate in-house technical review.”

“We are reviewing our process and tightening criteria for review of all guidance and updates before they are posted to the CDC website,” the statement said.

At least one expert said the episode could further chip away at public confidence in the CDC.

“The consistent inconsistency in this administration’s guidance on COVID-19 has severely compromised the nation’s trust in our public health agencies,” said Dr. Howard Koh, a Harvard University public health professor who was a high-ranking official in the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:

The UK for instance, has more Covid deaths per capita than the US. 


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

UK's highest death day in the past month has been 27 deaths. 

US's highest death day in the past month has been 1,200 deaths. 

 

If you adjust UKs population to match the US, the UKs worst death day in the past month would be 135 deaths. 

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9 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

Barely. Where does that get us?

Not a disagreement here.  We have handled this about as shamefully and disorganized as possible. Only point was people were quick to talk about Europe taking things seriously and that they had ‘moved on’ because they trusted government. France, Spain, Britain are all in the thick of it again.  I’m not going to pretend to know why it’s happening, or assume it’s because people are being reckless because I’m not sure. 

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