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4 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I don’t think African Americans supported Trump/GOP in great numbers. 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/30/which-americans-are-against-the-jab

 

Identifying as a Trump voter is the single most likely predictor of vaccine hesitancy. Being black is the second most. 

 

However, as a percentage of population you can see that Black vaccine hesitancy accounts for ~7% of the total while ~78% identify as white. The vast, vast majority of vaccine hesitancy is directly correlated with support of Trump, nearly 11 times as many people. 

 

We need to improve vaccination rates for both groups, but don't act like they're equivalent to each other when one group is 11 times the size of the other. 

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31 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

It looks like that link was paywalled so I didn't get a chance to read it. 

 

But you are correct, minority populations also are less likely to get vaccinated which is unfortunate. This likely stems from decades of mistreatment by people in power.

 

The difference is that for white conservatives, this distrust of government was carefully manufactured and fed to them during the Obama years and culminated in the election of Trump. 

 

Hopefully for situations like this, officials can win back trust so the country can respond to crisis more effectively. 

They won't win back trust when they get caught breaking their own rules. 

 

I agree with the point about distrust of Govt increasing over the last two decades. Not sure how manufactured that was for conservatives. It seemed to well up with the Tea Party and they didn't do the Republicans any favors in the long term. Plus I know plenty of liberals that haven't trusted the government over the last four years.

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2 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Douglas County was part of a the suburban shift which was prominent all across the country.  Trump carried these areas huge in 2016, but his margin in 2020 was much smaller.  There is a ring around Denver in the suburbs which used to be mostly Conservative, but the residents are shifting their thoughts and voting patterns to be more moderate/liberal (count me in as a recent shifter).

I would agree on Douglas County. Less conservative than it was 20 years ago. Much larger population too. I always thought Adam's, Arapahoe and Jefferson were in the middle. The North West side has always seemed Liberal. Colorado in general has gone from red to blue as people have moved here, mostly from Cali, NY and Illinois. The Texas transplants stayed conservative, but they seem to be moving back home now. :)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/opinion/mask-mandate-cdc-covid.html

 

"Local experts should provide people with metrics they are using — like infections or vaccinations — to decide when masks will no longer be needed. Doing so underscores why the masks are back in the first place and provides hope for those who don’t like to wear them.

Since vaccines offer durable protection against serious illness, tying masking requirements to reasonable vaccination coverage goals and acceptable hospitalizations levels will provide a clearer view of progress than case numbers, which can fluctuate.

Everyone is weary of the pandemic. Vaccines offer the way out, but the United States has not convinced enough Americans of this. The nation cannot simply revert to the broad tactics employed during previous surges and expect compliance. It must be made explicitly clear to the public how measures like mask mandates will cut transmission and can be used to incentivize vaccinations."

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1 hour ago, nic said:

They won't win back trust when they get caught breaking their own rules. 

 

I agree with the point about distrust of Govt increasing over the last two decades. Not sure how manufactured that was for conservatives. It seemed to well up with the Tea Party and they didn't do the Republicans any favors in the long term. Plus I know plenty of liberals that haven't trusted the government over the last four years.

Distrust of government has been a Conservative talking point dating back decades, famously getting Reagan elected (Wellfare Queens). 

 

What the GOP decided in 2008 was to put that talking point on steroids (Death panels). 

 

The message shifted from racist (Welfare helps lazy black people) to the government is coming for you (death panels). Trump took that message and pushed the fear ever higher. Now there is a deep-state government conspiracy to hinder Conservative causes. The government wants to take away your guns to implement a socialist takeover, the radical left is stealing elections, etc.

 

You can read the classic political Science essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" if you want an analysis of how the right has used conspiracy theories for decades. The article was written in the 1960s and still holds true today. Here is more information about it: 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics

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To add to this, the political essay starts with this. Simply replace "Goldwater" with "Trump" and this is true nearly 60 years later.

 

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/30/which-americans-are-against-the-jab

 

Identifying as a Trump voter is the single most likely predictor of vaccine hesitancy. Being black is the second most. 

 

However, as a percentage of population you can see that Black vaccine hesitancy accounts for ~7% of the total while ~78% identify as white. The vast, vast majority of vaccine hesitancy is directly correlated with support of Trump, nearly 11 times as many people. 

 

We need to improve vaccination rates for both groups, but don't act like they're equivalent to each other when one group is 11 times the size of the other. 

He’s been told that before. But, here we are again. 

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i remember not too long ago seeing clips from CPAC with people cheering when someone called the vaccine  the fauci ouchie. (thinking it was Bobert if i recall correctly)     i am sure that wasn't sending any kind of mixed message.  the right has demonized fauci and since he is the biggest advocate of the vaccine that has convinced a  lot of republicans to not trust the vaccine.   

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1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Distrust of government has been a Conservative talking point dating back decades, famously getting Reagan elected (Wellfare Queens). 

 

What the GOP decided in 2008 was to put that talking point on steroids (Death panels). 

 

The message shifted from racist (Welfare helps lazy black people) to the government is coming for you (death panels). Trump took that message and pushed the fear ever higher. Now there is a deep-state government conspiracy to hinder Conservative causes. The government wants to take away your guns to implement a socialist takeover, the radical left is stealing elections, etc.

 

You can read the classic political Science essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" if you want an analysis of how the right has used conspiracy theories for decades. The article was written in the 1960s and still holds true today. Here is more information about it: 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics

I almost get the sense from reading your follow up post that whoever wrote this might distrust the government...at least the Republican/Conservative side. I will take look however.

 

I was very young, but loved the Gipper. He was sort of like a Grandpa, memory loss and all.

 

My distrust of politicians comes from them lying all the time, and denying events when they get caught. It's harder to get away with nowadays. Also the fact that the decisions they make are not for us but for them to stay in power. Too many games being played. Both sides. Seems like very few politicians have been straight shooters over the years, and the ones that are don't last long or are bat crap crazy.

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29 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Impose the same mandate that didn’t prevent the their wave anyways??  We would be better served to if it was a singular focus on vaccines and getting over peoples hesitancy. 

or impose a vaccine mandate and get it over with

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