The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

[JJ Husker]

I’ve always wondered how effective masking would’ve been if, you know, the other 40% of people would have actually worn the damn things out in public. And then I wonder how much more effective it would have been if they had been correctly worn N95s instead of chin diaper POS masks. Oh well, maybe there will be another pandemic sometime to provide another opportunity to see how well actual compliance actually works.

[knapplc]

30 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

I’ve always wondered how effective masking would’ve been if, you know, the other 40% of people would have actually worn the damn things out in public. And then I wonder how much more effective it would have been if they had been correctly worn N95s instead of chin diaper POS masks. Oh well, maybe there will be another pandemic sometime to provide another opportunity to see how well actual compliance actually works.

 

The first "mask" I wore was a doubled up neck gaiter. After that it was cloth masks from Amazon. Didn't start wearing the N95 masks until much later, when stores weren't constantly sold out. 

 

America was completely unprepared for a pandemic like this. Sad thing is, not only have we not learned anything, half the country is sure we've learned the wrong things and will actively push back on future directives from the CDC. 

 

Republicans politicizing everything about the pandemic really bolloxed this whole thing. Extra death stats very much bear that out. For a country that tells itself it's the greatest country in the world, we certainly showed our a$$ during the pandemic.

[Scarlet]

30 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

The first "mask" I wore was a doubled up neck gaiter. After that it was cloth masks from Amazon. Didn't start wearing the N95 masks until much later, when stores weren't constantly sold out. 

 

America was completely unprepared for a pandemic like this. Sad thing is, not only have we not learned anything, half the country is sure we've learned the wrong things and will actively push back on future directives from the CDC. 

 

Republicans politicizing everything about the pandemic really bolloxed this whole thing. Extra death stats very much bear that out. For a country that tells itself it's the greatest country in the world, we certainly showed our a$$ during the pandemic.

 

The amount of vitriol all the way up to death threats that legit virologists, epidemiologists, and public health officials received over the past three years is easy to see in real time by looking at the timeline on some of their Twitter feeds.  If anti-vax, anti-masker, and anti any mitigation steps wackos had their way we'd jump back 200 years when our life expectancy was 35 years. 

 

It absolutely does not bode well for the next time a coronavirus jumps species to humans or whatever else will inevitably come our way.  But as long as there's political hay to be made by the likes of our next President, Desantis, they will continue to seek "advice" from the crazies like the dermatologist Covid advisor he has that wants to put Fauci in front of a firing squad.

[BigRedBuster]

9 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

 

The amount of vitriol all the way up to death threats that legit virologists, epidemiologists, and public health officials received over the past three years is easy to see in real time by looking at the timeline on some of their Twitter feeds.  If anti-vax, anti-masker, and anti any mitigation steps wackos had their way we'd jump back 200 years when our life expectancy was 35 years. 

 

It absolutely does not bode well for the next time a coronavirus jumps species to humans or whatever else will inevitably come our way.  But as long as there's political hay to be made by the likes of our next President, Desantis, they will continue to seek "advice" from the crazies like the dermatologist Covid advisor he has that wants to put Fauci in front of a firing squad.

 

At some point, there will be a much worse pandemic and the death count will be much higher because of all the anti-vax/anti mask crap that was spewed during this situation.  Then, the people trying to find every ounce of internet information they can to prove all the vax and mask stuff was totally worthless....and believing it.  

[Archy1221]

17 hours ago, RedDenver said:

20 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

 

She's pointing out that the Cochran study was mainly based on studies conducted BEFORE the covid pandemic

While also pointing out she wouldn’t expect different results based on it being Covid instead of Flu or SARS

 

 

[teachercd]

I think we can all agree that Big Ten teams that are still cancelling games because of Covid.

[Archy1221]

17 hours ago, RedDenver said:

And the study doesn't take into account whether masking mandates were complied with

Kinda one of the points they don’t work.  

[Archy1221]

14 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Because the folks at Cochrane are responsible scientists, they are reluctant to draw the firm conclusions that the Daily Mail loves to turn into clickbait. 

It would be quite fair to say this language is attached to a great deal of studies with post hoc analysis. Doesn’t make the data inside it any different 

[Archy1221]

7 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

I’m sure you will soon be presenting your findings that the mask mandates were a boon to fighting Covid spread.  If you aren’t too busy making clown memes that is.  

[BigRedBuster]

I think we can all agree that the people in charge of all of this have learned a lot from this pandemic.  The modern world has never experienced anything like this before and we were all learning on the fly.  Two things are true:

 

1) The people that freaked out and went way overboard, were over reacting to the pandemic to a certain degree.

 

2) The people who think it was nothing but a flu and that the experts trying to control it are evil and started horrible rumors that certain people created the virus to control the masses...etc, are only saying that to do their own version of "controlling the masses".  

 

The world was in a very difficult situation and I firmly believe that the experts (as a group) were doing the best they could with the information they had.

 

Hopefully, everyone has learned from the experience.  The problem is, most of the people in group one, probably are looking at science and learning from it.  The people in group two, have used it to learn how to spread mass disinformation and create new and worse conspiracy theories that are only going to get worse and harm people.

[Scarlet]

Like clockwork it arrives and by all means continues to prove that the study in question was not read and if it was was, not understood.  Double down to avoid ever admitting being out of it's element.  A hallmark symptom.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254560/leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us-average-number-daily/

 

Quote

Yes, masks reduce the spread of COVID

There is strong and consistent evidence for the effectiveness of masks and (even more so) respirators in protecting against respiratory infections. Masks are an important protection against serious infections.

 

A systematic review is only as good as the rigour it employs in combining similar studies of similar interventions, with similar measurement of outcomes. When very different studies of different interventions are combined, the results are not informative.

 

[Archy1221]

19 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Hopefully, everyone has learned from the experience.  The problem is, most of the people in group one, probably are looking at science and learning from it. 

The people in your group 1 scenario on Huskerboard certainly aren’t.  They are actively ignoring data from the gold standard in large study post hoc analysis and instead learning how to do clown memes   

[Archy1221]

11 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

Like clockwork it arrives and by all means continues to prove that the study in question was not read and if it was was, not understood.  Double down to avoid ever admitting being out of it's element.  A hallmark symptom.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254560/leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us-average-number-daily/

 

 

Good lord will you ever figure out what the discussion is about

 

Mandates not masks!!!!

 

Get everyone a fitted N95 for 22 hrs a day every day for the rest of our lives and you will probably arrest some disease spread and increase life expectancy.  Why don’t we do this, because the compliance rate would make it fail! 
 

Guess what else will work in preventing spread….. isolation and quarantine, until people start getting back out and about.  See China and New Zealand in both instances.  
 

The compliance rate makes the mandates pointless.   

[commando]

3 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 

The compliance rate makes the mandates pointless.   

 

especially when 1 party was encouraging their faithful to not comply.

[BigRedBuster]

31 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

The people in your group 1 scenario on Huskerboard certainly aren’t.  They are actively ignoring data from the gold standard in large study post hoc analysis and instead learning how to do clown memes   

I don't believe there is anyone on Huskerboard that overly freaked out like I see it in the pandemic.  There are people who supported and followed the advice of the experts.  Now, we are all in a discussion as to what was learned and what wasn't.  I don't call people who wore masks as asked to and don't see a problem with that as...overly freaking out.