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2 minutes ago, QMany said:

Pretty much Republican policy on everything. 

 

That would be hilarious if it wasn't going to get people killed.

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45 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

CDC was badly botching data collection so maybe they decided to take down the old data figuring no data was better than incorrect data or spite. 

Oh what a load of BS.

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10 minutes ago, QMany said:

Pretty much Republican policy on everything. 

 

 

This would be a good slogan for them except there are so many other good choices. This probably covers more of the issues they’re wrong about than others, though, and it applies to the pre-Trump years. 

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12 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

H1N1 was contained and over with before it started (thanks, Obama!). But under Trump, C19 is raging unchecked. 

 

Same CDC.  Different leaders.  Seeing a connection there?  Anyone?  Hello?

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From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

 

60 million doesn't scream containment. 

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On August 10, 2010, WHO declared an end to the global 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic. However, (H1N1)pdm09 virus continues to circulate as a seasonal flu virus, and cause illness, hospitalization, and deaths worldwide every year.

Pandemics do what pandemics do.  They shouldn't be politicized.

 

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4 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

 

60 million doesn't scream containment. 

 

So, under Obama, who allowed the CDC to do what they were supposed to do, there were 12,469 deaths associated with H1N1 in 12 months.

 

How many deaths have there been from C19 in six months under Trump?

 

Do you know?

 

You want me to tell you?

 

Here's a hint - it's more than 12,000. It's more than ten times 12,000.  

 

How long do you want to keep pretending?  Because I can do this all day.

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Based on what I've read, it's not wholly fair to compare the containment success of H1N1 to COVID-19 based solely on infection and death rates and use that as a basis for determining whether the CDC did/has done their job right.

 

Most medical professionals seem to agree that the coronavirus is more dangerous than the flu and that people are more susceptible to COVID. H1N1 was a subtype of influenza (which people had more natural immunities against overall, even though it was a different strain) whereas COVID-19 is a spinoff of SARS.

 

To be clear, I fully believe the CDC has been hamstrung in their efforts, namely by the president and other top government officials. We could and should have done a much better job. But, not all viruses are created equal.

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2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

So, under Obama, who allowed the CDC to do what they were supposed to do, there were 12,469 deaths associated with H1N1 in 12 months.

 

How many deaths have there been from C19 in six months under Trump?

 

Do you know?

 

You want me to tell you?

 

Here's a hint - it's more than 12,000. It's more than ten times 12,000.  

 

How long do you want to keep pretending?  Because I can do this all day.

Knapplc come on, you've got to be smart enough to know different viruses behave differently.  I could point out that 25% of the deaths occurred in ny where they were knowingly sending infected old people back to nursing homes while hospital beds Trump set up in Javits Center and hospital ship went unused.  I could be disingenuous and say Cuomo is a murderer but that doesn't help the situation.

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1 minute ago, Enhance said:

To be clear, I fully believe the CDC has been hamstrung in their efforts, namely by the president and other top government officials. We could and should have done a much better job. But, not all viruses are created equal.

Agree with the bolded.  How do you think the CDC was hamstrung?

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2 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

Knapplc come on, you've got to be smart enough to know different viruses behave differently.  I could point out that 25% of the deaths occurred in ny where they were knowingly sending infected old people back to nursing homes while hospital beds Trump set up in Javits Center and hospital ship went unused.  I could be disingenuous and say Cuomo is a murderer but that doesn't help the situation.

But...but...but....I'm told by Trump and his supporters that Covid is no worse than the flu.

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3 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

Knapplc come on, you've got to be smart enough to know different viruses behave differently.  I could point out that 25% of the deaths occurred in ny where they were knowingly sending infected old people back to nursing homes while hospital beds Trump set up in Javits Center and hospital ship went unused.  I could be disingenuous and say Cuomo is a murderer but that doesn't help the situation.

 

The ship and Javits hospital went unused because both were initially set up to assist with non-Covid treatment to take some of the burden off of Covid-burdened hospitals, but instead both had to be reconfigured to accept patients. Trump was still claiming C19 was a liberal hoax at the time. 

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10 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

Agree with the bolded.  How do you think the CDC was hamstrung?

Former CDC leaders have gone on record saying the president and his administration actively worked to limit their abilities to respond to the pandemic. There was also unnamed sources inside the CDC who spoke to several national media outlets about it.

 

Additionally, the president and his administration's words/choices have been indicative of a subversive attitude for months. And while the rest of the world started taking serious action against the virus in February (and prior), Trump was on record at the time downplaying the virus.

 

Lastly, this report from the NYT is pretty concerning.

 

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Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.

 

It's just a lot of red flags, IMO. Why on earth do non-medical professionals and non-scientists need to be responsible for the collection, maintenance, evaluation and dissemination of virus data, breaking with protocols and standards that have been in place for decades? Breaking with protocols and standards that other countries follow with their own versions of the CDC?

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5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

But...but...but....I'm told by Trump and his supporters that Covid is no worse than the flu.

Maybe it isn't.  I've heard that 30 people under the age of 18 have died and most of them had other health issues.  If you listen to the media opening schools is a death sentence.  CCP virus seems to be most lethal for 60+.  We have vaccines for flu and apparently the actual flu deaths aren't counted by actual cases, they are estimated from a model.  Only through extensive testing will a close to true CFR be determined.  There are a lot of asymptomatic cases that go untested so those will need to be estimated.

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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

You friggen serious???

I should be more clear on my thinking.  Isolate the old and keep them from getting infected.  For the rest of the population it's probably not much worse than the flu.  

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4 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

I should be more clear on my thinking.  Isolate the old and keep them from getting infected.  For the rest of the population it's probably not much worse than the flu.  

I know for a fact it's much worse than the flu for even people middle aged.  I personally know people who have had it and very well might have very long term affects from it.  This line of thinking is just simply total BS and the only reason you're going down this path is to try to make Donny look better.

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