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39 minutes ago, knapplc said:

(or in Landlord's case, just finding my posts and being contrarian)

 

If we don't have football this fall, what else are we going to do?!    :stir

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49 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Because it's being pushed for purely political reasons, by the same guy who said C19 would just "go away" by April, and who's shrugged his way through 150,000 American deaths. People grasping at straws for any way that Trump may be correct (or in Landlord's case, just finding my posts and being contrarian) aren't paying attention. 

 

 

@Landlord beat me to it. But from what I have seen and read, not all published findings are politically driven. There is some evidence that it works for some patients. 

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24 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

@Landlord beat me to it. But from what I have seen and read, not all published findings are politically driven. There is some evidence that it works for some patients. 

 

 

I posted the studies that show it's not effective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I think what's really interesting is - why do people want this to be a thing? Why push so hard for everyone to believe that HCQ is an effective treatment for a disease it's not designed to treat, when it's really only being pushed by one bloated orange guy with no medical knowledge and a dodgy history of being wrong in the past?

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25 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

I posted the studies that show it's not effective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I think what's really interesting is - why do people want this to be a thing? Why push so hard for everyone to believe that HCQ is an effective treatment for a disease it's not designed to treat, when it's really only being pushed by one bloated orange guy with no medical knowledge and a dodgy history of being wrong in the past?

What about Remdesivir? Similar 50/50 findings, but Trump isn't hawking it...so its okay? Its an Ebola drug btw.

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6 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

Thank you for sharing. So sorry to hear about that. So sad this is the terrible reality we are living in. Really hope you stay well! Physically and mentally as its not an easy time already. I know how we all feel about thoughts and prayers but its what I have to send and I'm sending them dadgummit. 

 

thank you.  It's super hard..and depressing...and soul sucking.

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6 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

 

I posted the studies that show it's not effective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I think what's really interesting is - why do people want this to be a thing? Why push so hard for everyone to believe that HCQ is an effective treatment for a disease it's not designed to treat, when it's really only being pushed by one bloated orange guy with no medical knowledge and a dodgy history of being wrong in the past?

Can someone explain these findings published by Fauci I believe in his virology journal 

 

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

 

He says in 2005 chloroquine is highly effective at treating and preventing SARS coronavirus 

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3 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Can someone explain these findings published by Fauci I believe in his virology journal 

 

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

 

He says in 2005 chloroquine is highly effective at treating and preventing SARS coronavirus 

 

Show me where Anthony Fauci is the author of what you linked.

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

Show me where Anthony Fauci is the author of what you linked.

I never said Fauci wrote the article. The virology journal is funded by the NIH. Isn’t Fauci the head of the NIH? 

Regardless of who actually typed the words- it looks supported by NIH and many peer reviews by top notch virologists. Do the findings not make you curious 

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6 hours ago, Huskers93-97 said:

I never said Fauci wrote the article. The virology journal is funded by the NIH. Isn’t Fauci the head of the NIH? 

Regardless of who actually typed the words- it looks supported by NIH and many peer reviews by top notch virologists. Do the findings not make you curious 

 

Do you know why they call C19 a "novel" coronavirus? It's because while it's similar, it's not the same (or same enough) to be treated wholly like other strains.  So whether this study in 2005 showed that HCQ was effective on whatever strain(s) they were testing on at the time, it wouldn't show anything vis-a-vis this new virus. 

 

What makes me most curious is that a certain segment of the populace is really, really interested in HCQ being a cure for THIS flavor of coronavirus. 

 

It's a similar but flipped question for Remdesivir, as @DevoHusker is talking about above. It's possibly effective, studies have yet to show effectiveness, but while Remdesivir and HCQ have possibly the same efficacy in treating this virus (or not treating it), yet Trump sympathists and supporters don't push Remdesivir at all like they push hydroxychloroquine. That's the politicization of this epidemic that everyone hates so much.  

 

And yet another curious thing - why does any Trump person care what Fauci said or didn't say at this point?  I thought Trump was actively trying to discredit the man because Trump's jealous that Fauci is being listened to more than him. But here we are, asking whether this 2005 study from Fauci's organization shows that Fauci tacitly endorsed HCQ as a remedy. 

 

But anyway. About that study.  

 

 

 

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2005 chloroquine study had nothing to do with COVID-19 and the drug wasn’t given to humans

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT

  • The 2005 study wasn’t published by the NIH and didn’t prove chloroquine was effective against “COVID-1” because that’s not a real disease.

  • The study found that chloroquine could inhibit the spread of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome in animal cell culture, and the authors said more research was needed. 

  • There are currently no approved medications or treatments for COVID-19.

 

 

 


 

 

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Or just scroll down and read the virologists conclusion if you don’t want to read the whole thing. It says chloroquine is a relatively safe drug used to treat many human illnesses. It was shown effective to inhibit and stop the spread of SARS in cultures. Also it could be effective therapy. 

 

 

Knapp you are blinded by your hate for trump. How can you not read that and say why was it dismissed so early? SARS and Covid are both in the coronavirus family. They are not exactly the same but pretty similar. How was it a safe drug then, and for many years treating other viruses and now it’s not safe anymore? It’s wierd narratives like it’s not safe that make people question the whole thing. 

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1 minute ago, Huskers93-97 said:

Or just scroll down and read the virologists conclusion if you don’t want to read the whole thing. It says chloroquine is a relatively safe drug used to treat many human illnesses. It was shown effective to inhibit and stop the spread of SARS in cultures. Also it could be effective therapy. 

 

 

Knapp you are blinded by your hate for trump. How can you not read that and say why was it dismissed so early? SARS and Covid are both in the coronavirus family. They are not exactly the same but pretty similar. How was it a safe drug then, and for many years treating other viruses and now it’s not safe anymore? It’s wierd narratives like it’s not safe that make people question the whole thing. 

 

You're not even reading others' responses now. I answered all of this in the post above. The Politifact article addresses this particular study.

 

Why do you need hydroxychloroquine to be a cure for this virus? 

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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

You're not even reading others' responses now. I answered all of this in the post above. The Politifact article addresses this particular study.

 

Why do you need hydroxychloroquine to be a cure for this virus? 

I don’t need it to be a cure. I would like to know why dr’s post online videos of their success with the drug, which lines up more with the virology journal findings. 

 

Why do you need it to not be a possible treatment? 

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3 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

I don’t need it to be a cure. I would like to know why dr’s post online videos of their success with the drug, which lines up more with the virology journal findings. 

 

Why do you need it to not be a possible treatment? 

 

I've explained my caution with HCQ a dozen times. 

 

Which doctor video are you talking about?

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11 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

I don’t need it to be a cure. I would like to know why dr’s post online videos of their success with the drug, which lines up more with the virology journal findings. 

 

Why do you need it to not be a possible treatment? 

Would this be the doctor in the video that you are referring to? :thumbs

 

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

I've explained my caution with HCQ a dozen times. 

 

Which doctor video are you talking about?

Honestly, I am not going to spend any time trying to find all the video's and posts I have seen or people have sent me. I dont have a "need" for everyone to think like me. I just have a little fun here and there posting on the board. I have seen others post on here about Dr's posting. So I am not the only one. There has been numerous postings over the last few months. But you are not really interested in watching anything that contradicts your belief structure. There could be 50 doctors saying they use it and its effective and you along with all other Trump haters would say oh they are just a trump lover- those video's are fake. So why even waste our time? 

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