The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

[BigRedBuster]

@Notre Dame Joe @ActualCornHusker

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

 

[QMany]

Donald Trump put his personal and political interests above the nation's... AGAIN!?!

 

 

[FrantzHardySwag]

11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

@Notre Dame Joe @ActualCornHusker

 

 

The idiot went on twitter this morning and blamed the CDC and Obama for the lackluster response. 

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

The idiot went on twitter this morning and blamed the CDC and Obama for the lackluster response. 

Really???  I know you know this, but I’ll say it anyway for @Notre Dame Joe and @ActualCornHusker benefit. 
 

Obama has a team of people in place to deal with pandemics and coordinate with other countries. This turd dismantled the team. 

[QMany]

 

[TGHusker]

12 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

At this point it's unlikely that he doesn't have it imo. 

maybe he thinks it is better than rotting in a cell after SDNY gets done wt him once he's out of office.

 

 

Peggy Noonan editorial 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-panic-is-rotten-advice-11584054431

 

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Don’t Panic’ Is Rotten Advice

A grave crisis calls for reason and realism, not ‘an abundance of caution.’

 

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This coronavirus is new to our species—it is “novel.” It spreads more easily than the flu—“exponentially,” as we now say—and is estimated to be at least 10 times as lethal.

Testing in the U.S. has been wholly inadequate; history may come to see this as the great scandal of the epidemic. “Anybody that needs a test gets a test; they’re there, they have the tests, and the tests are beautiful,” as the president said last weekend, is on a par with “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” as a great, clueless lie.

 

Because of the general lack of testing we don’t have a firm sense of the number of the infected and the speed and geography of spread. Many people would be working sick, afraid of losing pay or job security if they take time off. Some would be at home, unable for financial or other reasons to see a doctor or go to a hospital.

In the past few days the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. The physician used by Congress reportedly said behind closed doors that 70 million to 150 million Americans will be infected. The Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch estimated 20% to 60% of adults world-wide might catch the disease. Cases are rising in Spain, France and Germany, where Prime Minister Angela Merkel warned that 70% of the nation could wind up infected. The president gave a major Oval Office address Wednesday night aimed at quelling fears; it was generally labeled “unsettling.” Immediately after, Tom Hanks announced that he and wife Rita Wilson have tested positive, and the National Basketball Association suspended its season after a player tested positive.

 

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“Don’t panic” is what nervous, defensive people say when someone warns of coming trouble. They don’t want to hear it, so their message is “Don’t worry like a coward, be blithely unconcerned like a brave person.”

One way or another we’ve heard it a lot from administration people.

This is how I’ve experienced it:

“Captain, that appears to be an iceberg.” “Don’t panic, officer, full steam ahead.”

“Admiral, concentrating our entire fleet in one port seems tempting fate.” “We don’t need your alarmist fantasies, ensign.”

“We’re picking up increased chatter about an al Qaeda action.” “Your hand-wringing is duly noted.”

“Don’t panic,” in the current atmosphere, is a way of shutting up people who are using their imaginations as a protective tool. It’s an implication of cowardice by cowards.

As for “abundance of caution,” at this point, in a world-wide crisis, the cautions we must take aren’t abundant, they’re reasonable and realistic.

Reason and realism are good

 

 

[knapplc]

WTF is going on? Why block testing, block aid, and in general do nothing in the face of this virus?

 

Is Putin planning a sneak attack on America while half of us are debilitated with this disease?

 

This makes absolutely no sense. 

 

 

 

[knapplc]

These are the buffoons in charge of this. 

 

Can we just lock Jared up in some lightless cell until we get a new president?  This guy is a hack.

 

 

[Ratt Mhule]

 

[QMany]

Honestly, what precautions is our federal government taking?!? No aid, no lockdowns, no restrictions on events, no interstate travel restrictions, no quarantine procedures.

 

How do we differ from Iran, where they are digging mass graves? Or Italy before it got really bad?

 

[jaws]

2 minutes ago, QMany said:

Honestly, what precautions is our federal government taking?!? No aid, no lockdowns, no restrictions on events, no interstate travel restrictions, no quarantine procedures.

 

How do we differ from Iran, where they are digging mass graves? Or Italy before it got really bad?

 

 

We differ in many ways with Iran (they have much less hospital capacity and living conditions are vastly different) and Italy (average age is 12 years older than the US and I believe the oldest population in the EU). Our federal government has not prepared for this, but I feel that Governors need to step in and take action. Ohio is limiting gatherings and canceling schools across the state even though we have few confirmed cases (I am sure we have many cases we don't know about yet). What is taking other states so long?

[RedDenver]

6 minutes ago, QMany said:

Honestly, what precautions is our federal government taking?!? No aid, no lockdowns, no restrictions on events, no interstate travel restrictions, no quarantine procedures.

 

How do we differ from Iran, where they are digging mass graves? Or Italy before it got really bad?

 

We're almost exactly following in the footsteps of Italy where the healthcare system is overwhelmed causing the mortality rate to climb to 3-4% instead of the 0.5-1% in places that were prepared.

[knapplc]

9 minutes ago, jaws said:

 

We differ in many ways with Iran (they have much less hospital capacity and living conditions are vastly different) and Italy (average age is 12 years older than the US and I believe the oldest population in the EU). Our federal government has not prepared for this, but I feel that Governors need to step in and take action. Ohio is limiting gatherings and canceling schools across the state even though we have few confirmed cases (I am sure we have many cases we don't know about yet). What is taking other states so long?

 

They are, in the absence of actual leadership from Washington, but they shouldn't have to.

 

It's ridiculous to have a person responsible for responding to this kind of situation who completely abrogates their duties because they're incompetent.

 

If anything, other states are waiting for Washington to lead. That's how the government has always worked, and expecting them to deviate from those norms in a time of crisis is weird.

[TGHusker]

27 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

This has got to be impeachable neglect on the president's part. From the article it states the following.  It is all political, put the interest of trump before the people. 

 

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And it threatens to slow efforts by states to bring on new medical providers, set up emergency clinics or begin quarantining and caring for homeless Americans at high risk from the virus.

“If they wanted to do it, they could do it,” said Cindy Mann, who oversaw the Medicaid program in the Obama administration and worked with states to help respond to the H1N1 crisis in 2009.

One reason federal health officials have not acted appears to be President Trump’s reluctance to declare a national emergency. That’s a key step that would clear the way for states to get Medicaid waivers to more nimbly tackle coronavirus, but it would conflict with Trump’s repeated efforts to downplay the seriousness of the epidemic.

 

Another element may be ideological: The administration official who oversees Medicaid, Seema Verma, head of the government’s Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, has been a champion of efforts by conservative states to trim the number of people enrolled in Medicaid.

The steps that California, Washington and other states hit hard by the epidemic want to take would likely increase the number of people enrolled in the program.

“Medicaid could be the nation’s biggest public health responder, but it’s such an object of ire in this administration,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a Medicaid expert at George Washington University. “Their ideology is clouding their response to a crisis.”