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48 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

Most of these Tea Party types are fiscal conservatives for small government... until it comes time to take the programs they themselves utilize to the bath tub. Then all of a sudden that rhetoric isn't so appealing and they're back to being big supporters of the government.

 

This is very very true.  The Tea Party was mostly formed after right wing conspiracy believers didn't like the fact that Obama bailed out the banks did something they thought was going to bankrupt America because the deficits were going to be so HUGE.

 

So, they vote in Trump as the "business man" that's going to save the world and run the government like a business.  Meanwhile, the deficits have been even higher, the bailouts have been even bigger and the economy isn't growing any faster (even before the pandemic).

 

It's all in seen through the eye of whomever they support in office.  Obama was the left wing liberal Democrat that was born in Kenya and sent here to destroy America along with Hillary that's going to steal everything.  Meanwhile, we have a whack job in the WH now that IS destroying America and stealing everything.  And...they think it's FANTASTIC.

 

It's honestly one of the most amazing things to watch....if you can fight back the tears.

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25 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

This is very very true.  The Tea Party was mostly formed after right wing conspiracy believers didn't like the fact that Obama bailed out the banks did something they thought was going to bankrupt America because the deficits were going to be so HUGE

Actually, I think the roots started a bit before that - GWB started the bailouts to begin with- Obama just continued and enlarged what George had started.    But then the Tea Party morphed into the  trump cult that it is today.

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7 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Actually, I think the roots started a bit before that - GWB started the bailouts to begin with- Obama just continued and enlarged what George had started.    But then the Tea Party morphed into the  trump cult that it is today.

You're probably right.  They were angry with Bush about the bailouts.  Then the black muslim guy from Kenya that was sent here to destroy America with Hillary was voted in and continued them.  America was all going to go broke with huge deficits until Trump could come in and save the day.

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26 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

You're probably right.  They were angry with Bush about the bailouts.  Then the black muslim guy from Kenya that was sent here to destroy America with Hillary was voted in and continued them.  America was all going to go broke with huge deficits until Trump could come in and save the day.

Well the bold hasn't worked out to well. He was already on his way to becoming the deficit king before the virus.

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2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

You're probably right.  They were angry with Bush about the bailouts.  Then the black muslim guy from Kenya that was sent here to destroy America with Hillary was voted in and continued them.  America was all going to go broke with huge deficits until Trump could come in and save the day.

 

I think the Tea Party illustrates what happens when people who have a legitimate, if vague, concern or anger about something are co-opted by bad actors for their own purposes.

 

By the time the secret gay Muslim sharia law guy stuff came out, folks who may have been in it for innocent reasons initially were strapped in and along for the ride. And the a$$h@!es had the wheel.

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18 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

This is very very true.  The Tea Party was mostly formed after right wing conspiracy believers didn't like the fact that Obama bailed out the banks did something they thought was going to bankrupt America because the deficits were going to be so HUGE.

 

 

My recollection is that the Tea Party actually started out organically in the early days of the Obama administration, when legislators came home to their districts to sell Obamacare, and were surprised by large crowds of people worried about the slippery slope to socialism.

 

The Republican Party, which had little power and no unifying message at the time, were quick to adopt this crowd, while behind the scenes the Kochs and Mercers were happy to organize and fund the upstart populists, and have their hired people start crafting messaging like "death panels."  Tax revolt and small government came with the package. But this new strain of conservative patriot didn't trust Washington at all, and that included the establishment Republicans. So while Republicans were benefitting from the Tea Party activism that helped win the 2012 midterms, they were losing their own establishment players. I don't think the Kochs and Mercers and Sheldon Adelson's cared much either way. Hard to imagine that John Boehner and Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor were forced out for being too weak and compromising. RINOs took a lot of heat. Chuck Hagel was suspect. Ben Sasse still is. 

 

It's not really the Tea Party anymore, because as mentioned they've been complicit in the run of foolish big government spending, but while the name itself is fading I think the movement forced the GOP to bend towards its right wing and it has not bent back. 

 

i.e. Tea Party logic should find a Mexican Border Wall a huge and doomed big government boondoggle, but I'm guessing the vast majority of self-identified Tea Party members are Donald Trump fans. 

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2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

My recollection is that the Tea Party actually started out organically in the early days of the Obama administration, when legislators came home to their districts to sell Obamacare, and were surprised by large crowds of people worried about the slippery slope to socialism.

 

The Republican Party, which had little power and no unifying message at the time, were quick to adopt this crowd, while behind the scenes the Kochs and Mercers were happy to organize and fund the upstart populists, and have their hired people start crafting messaging like "death panels."  Tax revolt and small government came with the package. But this new strain of conservative patriot didn't trust Washington at all, and that included the establishment Republicans. So while Republicans were benefitting from the Tea Party activism that helped win the 2012 midterms, they were losing their own establishment players. I don't think the Kochs and Mercers and Sheldon Adelson's cared much either way. Hard to imagine that John Boehner and Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor were forced out for being too weak and compromising. RINOs took a lot of heat. Chuck Hagel was suspect. Ben Sasse still is. 

 

It's not really the Tea Party anymore, because as mentioned they've been complicit in the run of foolish big government spending, but while the name itself is fading I think the movement forced the GOP to bend towards its right wing and it has not bent back. 

 

i.e. Tea Party logic should find a Mexican Border Wall a huge and doomed big government boondoggle, but I'm guessing the vast majority of self-identified Tea Party members are Donald Trump fans. 

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The Tea Party movement was launched following a February 19, 2009, call by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for a "tea party",[14][15] several conservative activists agreed by conference call to coalesce against President Obama's agenda and scheduled series of protests.[16][17] Supporters of the movement subsequently have had a major impact on the internal politics of the Republican Party. Although the Tea Party is not a party in the classic sense of the word, some research suggests that members of the Tea Party Caucus vote like a significantly farther right third party in Congress.[18] A major force behind it was Americans for Prosperity (AFP), a conservative political advocacy group founded by businessmen and political activist David H. Koch. It is unclear exactly how much money is donated to AFP by David and his brother Charles Koch.[19] By 2019, it was reported that the conservative wing of the Republican Party "has basically shed the tea party moniker".[20]

 

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Obviously my memory isn't perfect, but Grover Norquist and the tax patriots had been around for a long time, and their stunts, while photo-friendly, didn't have much impact. 

 

I think the game really changed when congresspeople suddenly found new crowds of voters jamming their townhall meetings, with Obamacare as the flashpoint. 

 

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The New York Times reported on August 8, 2009, that organizations opposed to the President Obama's health care legislation were urging opponents to be disruptive. It noted that the Tea Party Patriots web site circulated a memo instructing them to "Pack the hall. Yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early. Get him off his prepared script and agenda. Stand up and shout and sit right back down." The memo continued, "The Rep [representative] should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington."[113]

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2 hours ago, schriznoeder said:

I still think Biden should pick Michelle Obama. First off, she has more first-hand experience in the executive branch than any of the other front-runners. And secondly, the impending Trumpster meltdown would be one for the ages. It's win-win.

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19 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

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Haha! Good catch. I was being about half serious. Even though Michelle wasn't directly involved in day-to-day White House decision making, she did live with Barack and spent a lot of timely listening to him and providing advice/feedback. It was job experience through osmosis, so to speak. 

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3 hours ago, schriznoeder said:

 

Haha! Good catch. I was being about half serious. Even though Michelle wasn't directly involved in day-to-day White House decision making, she did live with Barack and spent a lot of timely listening to him and providing advice/feedback. It was job experience through osmosis, so to speak. 

I've heard this sentiment a few times now. It's kind of like saying that if my spouse were the chief of surgery at a hospital, then I'd have surgical experience through being around her. Or if I were the CEO of a company, then my spouse would have experience with running a company. It's nonsense.

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8 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

I've heard this sentiment a few times now. It's kind of like saying that if my spouse were the chief of surgery at a hospital, then I'd have surgical experience through being around her. Or if I were the CEO of a company, then my spouse would have experience with running a company. It's nonsense.

 I get what you're saying, but let's not act like Michelle is just Barack's Wife. Bachelors from Princeton, JD from Harvard. She's ran non-profits, been the Dean of Students at U of Chicago, VP of U of Chicago Hospitals, she's sat on the board for multiple companies, and that's not to mention her accomplishments as a First Lady. I don't like the idea of her being VP because I hate the idea of one family having that much power - but Michelle is more than the CEO's wife or the Suregon's wife in your example.  

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