Branno Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 hours ago, teachercd said: I am not asking them to do that. If they don't want to play, they should not play. But every practice and game they are putting themselves at risk of getting hurt (really badly) and they still go play. There is a major difference between a risk that cannot be taken away from the game (injuries) vs. something that can be easily avoided (waiting until a vaccine is available before resuming play). While it would really suck, I would understand it if we didn't have a 2020-2021 season. In my opinion, anyone that advocates for playing this season - without widespread testing and vaccines - is essentially deciding that their entertainment is more important than player health. The argument that players have a choice is bulls#!t though. If there is a season, they effectively are given no choice. Just like workers are given no choice if their employer reopens. You could always just quit football and lose your scholarship if you don't want to possibly die to a preventable disease is not a good argument to make. 3 1 Quote Link to comment
skersfan Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Ohio Governor just stated no decision on football at Ohio State and it was a long way off before it would decided. I need to go in the house, the sky is falling. Let me know when the media says it is safe. 2 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, Branno said: There is a major difference between a risk that cannot be taken away from the game (injuries) vs. something that can be easily avoided (waiting until a vaccine is available before resuming play). While it would really suck, I would understand it if we didn't have a 2020-2021 season. In my opinion, anyone that advocates for playing this season - without widespread testing and vaccines - is essentially deciding that their entertainment is more important than player health. The argument that players have a choice is bulls#!t though. If there is a season, they effectively are given no choice. Just like workers are given no choice if their employer reopens. You could always just quit football and lose your scholarship if you don't want to possibly die to a preventable disease is not a good argument to make. There is not a program in the country that will take a kids scholarship for not playing because of Covid. Could you imagine the PR nightmare for the school, the staff, the conference...No chance. I agree the safest thing to do is wait and I am fine with that. But I am not a 20 year old player on a college football team that only has a certain amount of time to play the game. 1 Quote Link to comment
funhusker Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 It's not just "player safety". It's the safety of the students on campus, professors, family members of students and athletes, local businesses, etc.... The more this spreads, the more pointless social distancing and masks matter. At this point, we might as well go the "herd immunity" route and just write off the 1-2 million people that will die or have life altering organ damage from it... I don't agree with that strategy, but it's what were working towards. Might as well just call it what it is. 2 2 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, funhusker said: It's not just "player safety". It's the safety of the students on campus, professors, family members of students and athletes, local businesses, etc.... The more this spreads, the more pointless social distancing and masks matter. At this point, we might as well go the "herd immunity" route and just write off the 1-2 million people that will die or have life altering organ damage from it... I don't agree with that strategy, but it's what were working towards. Might as well just call it what it is. This is pretty much accurate. College campus are going to open up and you can't open up college campus but then say "Oh but...you can't have games because of Covid" . Quote Link to comment
Popular Post TheBigRed1 Posted May 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Branno said: There is a major difference between a risk that cannot be taken away from the game (injuries) vs. something that can be easily avoided (waiting until a vaccine is available before resuming play). While it would really suck, I would understand it if we didn't have a 2020-2021 season. In my opinion, anyone that advocates for playing this season - without widespread testing and vaccines - is essentially deciding that their entertainment is more important than player health. The argument that players have a choice is bulls#!t though. If there is a season, they effectively are given no choice. Just like workers are given no choice if their employer reopens. You could always just quit football and lose your scholarship if you don't want to possibly die to a preventable disease is not a good argument to make. Hey Branno, I've read some of the discussion on here and have wanted to comment but have resisted the urge to do so but I'm just curious and you may not want to answer my question but.....are you able to work from home and continue to draw a paycheck, make a living? Forget about the "Will we play football this season?" question. If you are waiting on a vaccine, a true, legitimate vaccine that has gone thru all the protocols, the levels of development, testing and studies, etc, you may never come out of your house or do anything, ie, work, shop, vacation, or play, etc, in a normal manner ever again cause it is quite possible they will not be able to come up with one. Have never had a successful HIV vaccine, it is treated with antivirals and such and some of these other viruses, ie, SARS, MERS, ZIKA, still do not have definite successful vaccines to combat them. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7115365/) Not sure how to post links here and not necessarily interested in finding out but that is a very interesting read. Suffice it to say this, the initial concern for our health and safety was legitimate and there is still a need to proceed cautiously but the numbers do not bear out bringing us to our collective knees economically or otherwise, they are just not there. Protect the vulnerable, ie, our elderly and those with underlying conditions and get on with living. Ignore the MSM Fear Porn and know that if we don't get going, and very quickly, we will emerge from this in a very different world and it will not be because of the CoVid19 virus........rather our reaction to it. Oh btw, I believe we will have a football season! If I'm wrong it will not be the first time 3 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Mavric said: More and more will be following. Shoot, those SEC schools will all open, they have to (I would imagine) just to save those college towns from total collapse. Quote Link to comment
Decoy73 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 9 hours ago, TheBigRed1 said: Oh btw, I believe we will have a football season! If I'm wrong it will not be the first time Do you believe there should be 80,000 fans in attendance? Quote Link to comment
Cdog923 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 On 5/20/2020 at 10:19 AM, Mavric said: Best post in the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 We all know that "they" are going to do EVERYTHING they can to have college campuses open in the fall. Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Atbone95 said: People know they played college football in 1918, right? During the peak of a pandemic much worse than this? I didn't take the time to read 23 pages of nonsense to check if we'd talked about it (hey, can we get 50-post pages again?) Reduced capacity. Fans wore masks. Nothing formal, but fans just "spread out" more in the stands. Cool picture from a Georgia Tech game in this article. https://www.startribune.com/lessons-from-18-old-pandemic-is-a-murky-guide-for-sports/570651632/ We are playing football this fall. I was responding specifically to claims made in 84s post. Also, maybe it would be better to learn from 1918 rather than repeat everything that they did then. What was the impact of the games on the spread of the Spanish Flu? I think that would be more worth looking into rather than just saying well they played in 1918 so we should today. Imo the best thing for the season would be a delay. I don't think the season needs to be cancelled, but I also don't think the time it is normally held is going to be the best time to do it as it stands now. Things can always change though. 1 Quote Link to comment
Branno Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Atbone95 said: People know they played college football in 1918, right? During the peak of a pandemic much worse than this? I didn't take the time to read 23 pages of nonsense to check if we'd talked about it (hey, can we get 50-post pages again?) The press was censored and didn't report that there was a pandemic (which is why it's called the Spanish Flu, their newspapers were the first to break the silence). There were multiple waves, with the virus spreading all the way to 1920, and upwards of a million people died in the US (up to 50 million world wide). But they played football. Maybe we instead of looking to the 1918 pandemic as a sign of what we SHOULD do, we should learn from our mistakes and try to do better. 4 1 Quote Link to comment
Hilltop Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 This isn't the Spanish Flu. Modern Medicine is light years ahead of 1918. We have solid information on how to avoid the spread. The numbers would be much better if we could get some of the non-English speaking minority groups on the same page. Take a look at the nationwide demographics and where a large percentage of the cases are. Keeping the country under lock down isn't going to fix that. 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment
Toe Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Atbone95 said: Reduced capacity. Fans wore masks. Nothing formal, but fans just "spread out" more in the stands. Cool picture from a Georgia Tech game in this article. https://www.startribune.com/lessons-from-18-old-pandemic-is-a-murky-guide-for-sports/570651632/ This would be back in the days of Nebraska Field, five years before Memorial Stadium opened. Capacity was only about 15,000 fans, and obviously even lower with extra spacing. Quote Link to comment
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