Will There Be a 2020 Football Season?

[Rochelobe]

7 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Drs have learned some things about covid 19 which has helped.  I feel Fauci and the world’s experts should have known a bad virus would be deadly to sickly, old people.  Common sense and experience should have warranted extreme caution and quarantine of those people immediately. 

Yes, Doctors have learned about this virus in the past few months.  All I have been saying is that by extending the timeline, they have the opportunity to develop treatments which can result in a net drop in loss of life.  To me this is important if we don't have a vaccine for a few years.  At this time, there is still not definitive evidence that herd immunity is going to be meaningful for this particular virus.

 

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-treatment-drug-banned-sports-found-effective-fighting-covid-19-3006779

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“In the present COVID-19 pandemic, we suggest short-term supportive EPO treatment of severely affected patients, which we expect to improve disease course and outcome. Although case reports always call for extreme caution, two recently published/submitted case studies on EPO in seriously ill COVID-19 patients are encouraging for the present concept,” said the researchers in their paper published in Molecular Medicine.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/why-covid-death-rate-down/613945/

 

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Hospitalizations and deaths moved up and down in tandem before June. After June, they’ve diverged. National hospitalizations are rising, but deaths aren’t.

 

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One study from a hospital in Milan found that from March to May, the mortality rate of its COVID-19 patients declined from 24 percent to 2 percent—"without significant changes in patients’ age.” British hospitals found that their hospital mortality rate has declined every month since April.

 

So what’s going on? Maybe doctors are just getting smarter about the disease.

 

Also, the herd immunity approach doesn't mean the economy just keeps chugging along:

 

https://theweek.com/speedreads/924238/sweden-literally-gained-nothing-from-staying-open-during-covid19-including-no-economic-gains

 

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Sweden decided early on for a "soft" approach, forgoing lockdowns for subtle changes to commerce and entertainment, voluntary mitigation guidelines, and encouraging working from home. "This is what has happened," economic correspondent Peter S. Goodman reports in The New York Times: "Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden's economy has fared little better."

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sweden-didnt-impose-a-lockdown-its-economy-is-just-as-bad-as-its-neighbors-who-did-2020-06-25

 

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But there is also an economic question. Did Sweden benefit economically from avoiding the lockdown?

 

The economic data doesn’t suggest that.

 

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Why didn’t Sweden benefit economically?

 

“The simple answer is that in a pandemic, most people will change their behavior to avoid catching the virus. The cautious behavior is voluntary, irrespective of whether there is no lockdown, as in Sweden, or there is a lockdown, as in Denmark,” Joshi said.

 

 

I agree - it sucks what has happened to the economy.  A lot of people are going to be evicted over the next month or so, simply because their job evaporated due to the lockdown.  Small businesses will be lost.  College towns are going to have severe impacts this fall due to the lack of home football games.

 

However, there is a compromise between complete lockdown and completely being opened.  Its called masks and social distancing.  Does it solely resolve the problem?  No.  But it is an important contributing factor to allow us to work through two competing interests.

 

1) Keep economy chugging along

2) Protect citizens

 

Using masks and social distancing buys time for doctors to find a way to at least improve survival rates of those hospitalized - which evidence indicates they are having measurable success at.  At the same time, masks and social distancing, while still being an imposition, are certainly less impactful on the economy than a complete shutdown.

 

Why do you feel the only solution is absolutely no restrictions?  At this point, herd immunity has not shown much promise.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-17/sweden-proves-surprisingly-slow-in-achieving-herd-immunity

 

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Sweden has made less progress than expected in achieving immunity to the coronavirus, according to its state epidemiologist.

 

After leaving schools, shops and restaurants open throughout the pandemic, contagion rates in Sweden are much higher than anywhere else in the Nordic region. Its Covid-19 mortality rate is among the worst in the world. Scientists have been eager to learn whether the flipside of widespread contagion is a higher level of immunity.

 

But according to Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist, “the trends in immunity have been surprisingly slow.” He also says “it’s difficult to explain why this is so.”

 

Granted we are still learning about immunity to this new disease, but at this point the evidence is indicative of no herd immunity until the vaccine is available.  This is possibly due to the fact that this is a new virus, and our body doesn't know what to do with the antibodies.

 

Even worse, natural antibodies may actually worsen the impact:

 

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-antibodies-body-brain-damage-1516828

 

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The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 may turn our antibodies against us so they attack the brain, according to a small study.

Researchers looked at 11 intensive care COVID-19 patients in two hospitals in Germany who had unexplained neurological problems. These included epileptic seizures, involuntary muscle jerking, nerve problems, issues moving their eyes, delirium, and uncontrollable muscle contractions. Symptoms were not caused by other conditions or their ICU treatment, the team said.

 

Granted, many of these studies are in the early stages.  The point is doctors need time to figure this out.  Stretching things via masks/social distancing is about the only method we have that still allows us to keep an operational economy.

 

[Rochelobe]

Sorry everybody for again taking the thread off topic.  I'll stop posting on this issue in this thread, since it doesn't seem to be making any impact anyway.

[Cdog923]

18 hours ago, hunter49 said:

 

Dr. Fucci has been lying has a$$ off from the get go. if you are still covid free, keep doing as you are and ignore this quack.

[BigRedBuster]

18 hours ago, hunter49 said:

Dr. Fucci has been lying has a$$ off from the get go.

 

Ummm....No.

 

It's interesting when people don't like what he's saying and they accuse him of this.  But....at the same time, every infectious disease specialists in the world is saying the same thing.

[84HuskerLaw]

Almost nobody I have seen or read has said stop social distancing or stop mask wearing with common sense.  But many of us strongly disagree about how useful such practices are at stopping the spread.   Too many suggest its the solution and will save hundreds of thousands or millions of lived in the end - whenever that may be.  

Its the mindless shutdowns of businesses and so on that are so devastatingly bad.  False hopes and undue targeting of small businesses while exempting large ones with very little evidence or rationales that have created such division and mistrust.  imo.  

[TGHusker]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Ummm....No.

 

It's interesting when people don't like what he's saying and they accuse him of this.  But....at the same time, every infectious disease specialists in the world is saying the same thing.

Its a Cult thing

[Undone]

17 hours ago, Rochelobe said:

Aside from vaccines another important medical area that doesn't get discussed as much - treatment of those with the virus.  It seems progress is being made on better treatment which may be a reason for the decline in deaths despite the increase in positive cases.  Granted other factors (younger people being more of the positives, lag between developing the disease and getting hospitalized/dying), but it seems that they are learning a few things about how to treat it, which means that while we wait for a vaccine they may be able to lower the death rate.  I'd argue that would likely result in a lower death total until a vaccine rather than just doing, well nothing.

 

But of course, we could just do what you want.  Lets just cram everyone in giant football stadiums until they catch the disease.  "Kill em all and let God sort em out"  Otherwise known as "The Trump Solution".  Sounds like a plan.  For those that are pro-death panels, I guess it is the logical approach.

 

You were doing so well until your emotional outburst of hyperbole there at the end. Comments like this just continue to divide us all. Stop.

 

Your first paragraph was nevertheless excellent. I agree that it seems like hospitals/doctors/nurses are learning better how to use the tools they do have to lower the death rate - which is extremely encouraging. Still doesn't negate hospital systems potentially getting overwhelmed - but I've been seeing this same theory floating around and it's very encouraging for sure.

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Too many suggest its the solution and will save hundreds of thousands or millions of lived in the end - whenever that may be.  

Its the mindless shutdowns of businesses and so on that are so devastatingly bad.

Yet, countries that didn't do that are having the worst infection and death rate.  

 

It's amazing how people are smarter experts in all of this than people who have devoted their careers to it.  

[Huskers93-97]

54 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Yet, countries that didn't do that are having the worst infection and death rate.  

 

It's amazing how people are smarter experts in all of this than people who have devoted their careers to it.  

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[Guy Chamberlin]

11 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

 We see different risks and outcomes with paths chosen.  We may never know for sure whose correct.  Maybe some of both. 

 

 

Yep. When the story of COVID-19 is finally written, we'll look back at how much we didn't know, and how much we had wrong. 

 

The smart scientists admit what they know, what they don't, and when they're guessing. I'm still inclined to listen to them. And I thank God I'm not responsible for setting public health policy. 

[Guy Chamberlin]

2 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Almost nobody I have seen or read has said stop social distancing or stop mask wearing with common sense.  But many of us strongly disagree about how useful such practices are at stopping the spread.   Too many suggest its the solution and will save hundreds of thousands or millions of lived in the end - whenever that may be.  

Its the mindless shutdowns of businesses and so on that are so devastatingly bad.  False hopes and undue targeting of small businesses while exempting large ones with very little evidence or rationales that have created such division and mistrust.  imo.  

 

I think a lot of small businesses were hurt when they missed the Essential Business designation, which allowed other small businesses including auto mechanics, hardware stores, drug stores, and restaurants modified for take-out to remain open. The rationale was understandable if unfortunate. It wasn't really big vs. small. Big businesses took a huge hit with the shutdown, but they have better means to ride it out. But basically every small business has been allowed to reopen for months now, and there isn't a call to shut them back down during the current surge. The targets remain bars, indoor restaurants, sports, conventions, and possibly schools. And the common thread is getting people to wear masks. Regardless of what you claim, there is considerable evidence that everyone could be moving forward quicker with consistent mask and social distancing practices, the same "bend the curve" strategy that's been promoted all along, fully understanding that infections would not be eliminated.

 

The division and mistrust is also driven by people who present Dr. Fauci as a singular authority determining public policy with a nefarious agenda. 

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[84HuskerLaw]

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

I think a lot of small businesses were hurt when they missed the Essential Business designation, which allowed other small businesses including auto mechanics, hardware stores, drug stores, and restaurants modified for take-out to remain open. The rationale was understandable if unfortunate. It wasn't really big vs. small. Big businesses took a huge hit with the shutdown, but they have better means to ride it out. But basically every small business has been allowed to reopen for months now, and there isn't a call to shut them back down during the current surge. The targets remain bars, indoor restaurants, sports, conventions, and possibly schools. And the common thread is getting people to wear masks. Regardless of what you claim, there is considerable evidence that everyone could be moving forward quicker with consistent mask and social distancing practices, the same "bend the curve" strategy that's been promoted all along, fully understanding that infections would not be eliminated.

 

The division and mistrust is also driven by people who present Dr. Fauci as a singular authority determining public policy with a nefarious agenda. 

Lots of businesses and other orgs are still shut since March here in upstate NY.  Many in North Carolina are as well (my sister’s business in sports apparel is very restricted after total shutter thru early June).  My son’s catering business still shuttered in NC as well.  Many bars and restaurants still closed or only 25% cap in both states. May as well be locked up as almost no business can function at 25% level viably.  Malls here get to open next week IF they first install new virus filter systems in their HVAC systems.  All those stores and shops within are shut since March.   Some have already filed bankruptcy or defaulted on leases etc.  For example Cheescake Factory with many locations.  

The company I work for hopes to return to 90% capacity by Aug 3 when I hopefully get called back to manage two warehouse / service facilities Syracuse and Schenectady.   Just some examples I am personally aware of.  Many churches are shut and some may get to reopen but without singing.   

[quesadilla]

The wild card is that many of the most populous and football-as-religion states are surging right now. This won't stay a sunbelt problem for long - we're weeks away from mass migrations of 20 somethings all across the country.

 

All those three *** recruits from AZ, AL, GA, FL, and TX are heading north for mandatory workouts.

All the kids in the north are heading south for the tri-lamb rush week because the tuition is cheaper and the winters are warmer.

All the city kids are heading to the swanky liberal arts colleges in the sleepy, quaint little towns.

All the country kids are chasing their dreams at the big city schools.

Dogs and cats living together.

Mass hysteria.

 

[TGHusker]

1 hour ago, quesadilla said:

Dogs and cats living together.

Mass hysteria.