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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

Who is this serving? Who is this protecting?

 

 

 

While I understand the "shock" in the Sheriff maybe not seeing that you'd have to understand how internal affairs works in law enforcement agencies and the layer's involved with that. For instance I've been involved in a few as a supervisor over the years. There's usually an investigator involved or the "finder of fact", then a hearing officer and then the disciplinary officer. Typically the Chief/Sheriff is the disciplinary officer and makes his/her decision off of what the hearing officer says. The investigator gets all the evidence together and presents that to the hearing officer who then forms an opinion and gives recommendations to the Chief. It's kinda similar to how courts work and this process is based off of employment law, department policy, state law, and case law. It's not a simple process and you can't **** it up or you'll be screwed as a department in several ways in the end. 

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13 minutes ago, BIGREDIOWAN said:

While I understand the "shock" in the Sheriff maybe not seeing that you'd have to understand how internal affairs works in law enforcement agencies and the layer's involved with that. For instance I've been involved in a few as a supervisor over the years. There's usually an investigator involved or the "finder of fact", then a hearing officer and then the disciplinary officer. Typically the Chief/Sheriff is the disciplinary officer and makes his/her decision off of what the hearing officer says. The investigator gets all the evidence together and presents that to the hearing officer who then forms an opinion and gives recommendations to the Chief. It's kinda similar to how courts work and this process is based off of employment law, department policy, state law, and case law. It's not a simple process and you can't **** it up or you'll be screwed as a department in several ways in the end. 

 

So, as a possible link in the disciplinary chain, he can't look at the video now?

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41 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

So, as a possible link in the disciplinary chain, he can't look at the video now?

He probably could, but he shouldn't because he should wait until the hearing officer presents all the evidence to him and gives their recommendation on discipline. He's basically the "judge" in this situation. Could he explain that process so everyone understands, sure, should he screw this process up though, no. 

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If you think this reads like a revenge killing, you & me agree.

 

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Police shot Portland slaying suspect without warning or trying to arrest him first, witness says

 

When police last week surrounded Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described anti-fascist suspected of fatally shooting a member of a far-right group in Portland, Ore., the wanted man wasn’t obviously armed, a witness to the scene said Wednesday.

 

In fact, according to Nate Dinguss, Reinoehl was clutching a cellphone and eating a gummy worm as he walked to his car outside an apartment complex in Lacey, Wash. That’s when officers opened fire without first announcing themselves or trying to arrest him, Dinguss, a 39-year-old who lives in the apartment complex, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post.

 

Dinguss’s account of the Sept. 3 fatal shooting, first reported by the Oregonian, contradicts details offered by federal authorities, who said Reinoehl, 48, pulled a gun as members of a fugitive task force tried to arrest him. Two other witnesses also told the Olympian they had seen Reinoehl fire a weapon at police.

 

If Reinoehl did pull a gun -- or was seen reaching for a weapon -- police wouldn’t have needed to warn him before opening fire.

 

Dinguss, whose attorney described him as an ordained minister, said he fears reprisals from far-right groups and police for describing what he saw unfolding outside his apartment.

 

“We are very concerned for our client’s safety for speaking out, both from the fascist right, and retaliation by law enforcement,” said Luke Laughlin, his attorney, in a statement.

 

As national politicians, including Trump, demanded Reinoehl be swiftly arrested, officers in the Pacific Northwest Violent Offender Task Force tracked him to Lacey, about 120 miles north of Portland.

 

There are few official details about what happened next. At least four members of the task force, which included officers from a variety of local agencies, fired dozens of times at Reinoehl; the U.S. Marshals Service later said he had a handgun, but it wasn’t clear whether he had ever fired it at police.

 

Dinguss said he never saw Reinoehl pull out a gun.

 

He said he watched as two unmarked police vehicles converged on Reinoehl as he walked to his car, holding his phone and chewing on a piece of candy. The officers never audibly identified themselves and didn’t try to arrest Reinoehl, Dinguss said.

 

Instead, he said they immediately began firing. When Reinoehl heard the gunfire, he ducked behind his car, which was pinned in by the law enforcement vehicles; he never tried to get inside, Dinguss said, and he never saw him reaching for a weapon. Dinguss said he watched police unleash rapid-fire rounds at Reinoehl, once pausing to shout “Stop!” before resuming their fire.

 

Dinguss added officers waited “multiple minutes” before rendering medical aid to Reinoehl, who died at the scene from several gunshot wounds.

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

 Not a good look. It will depend on the veracity of the wildly different reports of the witnesses I imagine.

 

True. And body cam footage, if there is any (which I doubt - they were acting as Federal Marshals, which is odd considering the makeup of the team).

 

However, if he fired shots at the officers, especially with a long gun, there will be bullet holes in vehicles, surrounding buildings, etc. And the weapon will be produced. 

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