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For the record, I am also in the camp of having never seen any of these ads. The most I ever saw were the same 4-5 repeating in Georgia during the run-off election, all but one Republican fearmongering and the last being about how Warnock is a good member of the community. Other than that, I can't recall seeing any political ads outside of TLP twitter. 

 

Maybe that's why I'm so disconnected from the rural white voter - they still watch cable, and cable news at that :lol: 

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2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Wonder if we will see Granny being pushed off a cliff by Republicans in an add again this cycle?  

i didn't see that 1.     might have to try a search to find it.   but i know that every republican ad i saw rarely if ever talked about policies and always mentioned either the radical left or the socialist agenda.

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7 minutes ago, commando said:

i didn't see that 1.     might have to try a search to find it.   but i know that every republican ad i saw rarely if ever talked about policies and always mentioned either the radical left or the socialist agenda.

That’s my biggest issue with political ads in general.  Neither side talks much about what they are for and instead talks shut on their opponent or the other party in general.  
 

i would love to have a rule implemented that says a political add could only discuss what the candidate is FOR doing and is excluded from mentioning another party or candidate/side etc to help eliminate all the negative adds.   

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1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

That’s my biggest issue with political ads in general.  Neither side talks much about what they are for and instead talks shut on their opponent or the other party in general.  
 

i would love to have a rule implemented that says a political add could only discuss what the candidate is FOR doing and is excluded from mentioning another party or candidate/side etc to help eliminate all the negative adds.   

i found that ad.  no wonder i don't recall it  it ran 11 years ago in 4 states and nebraska wasn't 1 of the states.    it was bad.  fwiw.....i don't recall any republican ads in nebraska doing anything other than attacking.  the dems ads were about 50/50 between attacking and stating some policy takes.    at least that is what i recall seeing.   i am sure i missed many ads as i don't watch a lot of tv.         

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11 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

You're not even listening to what you're claiming, let alone what I'm telling you. This is an article from 2021. You're telling us that, as a practice, Democrat candidates air national ads that celebrate programs that benefit inner city minorities, and that as a result rural red voters are turned away because they feel excluded.

 

Are you amending this allegation to say this is a phenomenon that started in 2021?

 

 

 

Fewer these days are national — those are expensive.  More are local, where they can promote inner city programs to inner city voters. However, these will get picked up and distributed by right wing outlets for the very reason BNBR suggests; to show rural voters that Democrats are taking tax dollars out of their hardworking hands and giving it to non-working inner city minorities. It's racist and classist and red/blue political gamesmanship all at the same time. You seem to think we can't have multiple conversations about this unless a single tv commercial is procured for you.

 

Democrats parcelling out their ad budgets in red states are more likely to show a hard-working farmer or heavy equipment operator who supports a generic Democrat pro-jobs, small business agenda. This isn't rocket science. 

 

If you want to talk about a more recent Democratic campaign phenomenon, it's this.  

 

"Hi. I'm Chris. I proudly served two tours of combat in Iraq. I'm running for office because I believe in the America I risked my life to defend. As you can see, I'm holding a military issue Remington Bushmaster assault rifle, which I can clean and reassemble in 18 seconds. But guess what? I'm a Democrat." 

 

If you don't watch TV, I gotta assume you don't sample Facebook or Twitter much either, because these local political ads are shared like crazy, often by folks in the opposing political party trying to out their adversary's true colors. 

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30 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 

i would love to have a rule implemented that says a political add could only discuss what the candidate is FOR doing and is excluded from mentioning another party or candidate/side etc to help eliminate all the negative adds.   

 

I'd love that, too. Everyone would love that. At least, we SAY we'd love that. 

 

But the research is pretty conclusive. Attack ads work. 

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2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Fewer these days are national — those are expensive.  More are local, where they can promote inner city programs to inner city voters. However, these will get picked up and distributed by right wing outlets for the very reason BNBR suggests; to show rural voters that Democrats are taking tax dollars out of their hardworking hands and giving it to non-working inner city minorities. It's racist and classist and red/blue political gamesmanship all at the same time. You seem to think we can't have multiple conversations about this unless a single tv commercial is procured for you.

 

Democrats parcelling out their ad budgets in red states are more likely to show a hard-working farmer or heavy equipment operator who supports a generic Democrat pro-jobs, small business agenda. This isn't rocket science. 

 

If you want to talk about a more recent Democratic campaign phenomenon, it's this.  

 

"Hi. I'm Chris. I proudly served two tours of combat in Iraq. I'm running for office because I believe in the America I risked my life to defend. As you can see, I'm holding a military issue Remington Bushmaster assault rifle, which I can clean and reassemble in 18 seconds. But guess what? I'm a Democrat." 

 

If you don't watch TV, I gotta assume you don't sample Facebook or Twitter much either, because these local political ads are shared like crazy, often by folks in the opposing political party trying to out their adversary's true colors. 

It's amazing that we're a dozen or so pages into this discussion and there hasn't been one or more posts showing all of these ads against rural voters that are supposedly so pervasive that it turns rural voters against the Dems. It's almost like these ads are few and far between and that it's much more likely that Repub messaging has created the perception that there's lots of these ads.

 

:dunno

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2 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

It's amazing that we're a dozen or so pages into this discussion and there hasn't been one or more posts showing all of these ads against rural voters that are supposedly so pervasive that it turns rural voters against the Dems. It's almost like these ads are few and far between and that it's much more likely that Repub messaging has created the perception that there's lots of these ads.

 

:dunno

 

What exactly in my most do you disagree with? 

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2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

What exactly in my most do you disagree with? 

I'm asking for evidence for a claim. Supposedly this claim is so pervasive that it turned rural voters away from the entire Dem party, so it should be really easy to find many examples.

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For the last 20 years, it has been my job to solicit stories from individuals (almost always minorities) get them to agree to share those stories in print, digital, and yes video form in support of democratic candidates and left leaning policy. The DACA kids who just want to feel like they belong in the country they know as home, the poor urban city individual who went bankrupt due to healthcare, the wounded African American Veteran who supports a democratic candidate. The Native American person who has seen nearly their entire family fall victim to heart disease and diabetes due to the loss of agricultural knowledge and access to grocery stores and super markets. It goes on and on. - I KNOW THIS BECAUSE ITS MY DAMN JOB lol. - I could write you the script in my sleep. 

 

This is meant to widen the party's base, to create broad appeal and be more inclusive and indicate who left wing policies benefit the "normal person." However, when paired with Right winged maker vs. taker talking points, going to the same audience, it can also have the unintended effect of amplifying the republican message. Because when a Rural Red voter see that minority person, the rural red voter does not see themselves reflected in that that story. They see benefits going to someone else, who doesn't look like them, doesn't talk like them, and doesn't live where they do. 

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4 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

Because when a Rural Red voter see that minority person, the rural red voter does not see themselves reflected in that that story. They see benefits going to someone else, who doesn't look like them, doesn't talk like them, and doesn't live where they do. 

Because if the Dems ran ads showing people of the same race as those rural Americans getting benefits, then they'd attract the rural vote? And you don't see the underlying racism in this exact example?

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32 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Because if the Dems ran ads showing people of the same race as those rural Americans getting benefits, then they'd attract the rural vote? And you don't see the underlying racism in this exact example?

 

Could there be some racism there... sure. But it's also human nature. People are drawn to people who look like them. I know sales people who will go so far as to match hair styles and facial hair styles to people they are going in to make a pitch to. People who wear contacts normally will wear glasses on the days they pitch to someone who wears glasses. It's human psychology, not necessarily racist in nature. 

 

And yes, populism takes root in rural America. As someone else maybe @Guy Chamberlin pointed out. That is one thing Trump got right and Bernie too. Rural people are hurting. They hunger for someone who will speak with them not at them, and speak for them not about them. Democrats fail at this even when proposing legislation that will lift rural people.

 

It is a messaging issue in some instances. Obamacare for example could have been sold better to rural people, particularly to farmers as a rural safety net program. Parts of the BBB plan could be as well. - It's not, because democrats also can't afford to alienate their urban base. Gerrymandering in the house and the structure of the Senate now mean they have to appeal to both urban and rural. This isn't a should they or shouldn't they, we are past that. THEY HAVE to appeal to rural voters or they will be shut out of power. This is the hard cold reality. 

 

If you want to appeal to the rural voter. You have to understand their psychology. The understanding of that phycology is SEVERLY lacking. This was widely acknowledged in the wake of Trump's win. I had national columnists, think tanks, and research firms reaching out left and right asking how they could learn more about rural psychology and how Trump could happen. For a few months, then it became easier to outrage at everything Trump did and revert back to the REDNECK RACIST RURAL HICK stereotype and blame the voters for the failings of the party and its lack of traction with rural people. 

 

Knapplc said, "If rural red voters are willing to turn their backs on Democrats and keep them turned for decades because of a few random comments, that's more a them problem than a candidate problem, right? The alternative is that a candidate can never speak a harsh truth. Rural Americans claim to value that."

 

This is a Rural Blue voter speaking a harsh truth. Maybe urban blue voters can't handle it, but without rural voters, the Democrats will lose the opportunity to enact policy or change regardless how many crusty old Red voters fall off the voting rolls. 

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1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

However, these will get picked up and distributed by right wing outlets for the very reason BNBR suggests; to show rural voters that Democrats are taking tax dollars out of their hardworking hands and giving it to non-working inner city minorities. It's racist and classist and red/blue political gamesmanship all at the same time. 

 

Democrats parcelling out their ad budgets in red states are more likely to show a hard-working farmer or heavy equipment operator who supports a generic Democrat pro-jobs, small business agenda. This isn't rocket science. 

 

Then....what's the problem? BNBR's whole point was that this is a big problem and the Democrats need to fix it. So the only solution is to never run ads targeted towards or featuring minorities? 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Born N Bled Red said:

However, when paired with Right winged maker vs. taker talking points, going to the same audience, it can also have the unintended effect of amplifying the republican message. Because when a Rural Red voter see that minority person, the rural red voter does not see themselves reflected in that that story. They see benefits going to someone else, who doesn't look like them, doesn't talk like them, and doesn't live where they do. 

 

Seems like another point of evidence that this is a Republican responsibility and not a Democratic one. Here's what the last day and a half of conversation in this thread seems like:

 

 

Democrats: We have this policy which will really help <insert minority> who is struggling

 

GOP: Look at these guys, white people! They don't care about you, only the brown and the black folks!

 

Dems: White folks this will help you too.

 

GOP: Look at these wellfare queens they're propping up, while you good red-blooded rural Americans are struggling. You're invisible to these coastal elites.

 

Dems: They're lying. This is a good policy designed to help all sorts of less fortunate people.

 

GOP: They want open borders and socialism and whites to be the minority

 

Born N Bled Red: The fault here lies at the feet of the Democrats.

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Then....what's the problem? BNBR's whole point was that this is a big problem and the Democrats need to fix it. So the only solution is to never run ads targeted towards or featuring minorities? 

 --- They have to appeal to both. - They aren't.

 

 

Seems like another point of evidence that this is a Republican responsibility and not a Democratic one.

--- Sure is, as long as the Dems never want control of the house or senate again- not to mention state legislatures that control redistricting- but yup, write off all those uneducated, bassackwards, redneck, gun loving, bible hugging, cousin marrying, hicks. Urbanites have it all figured out. 

 

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