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1 hour ago, kansas45 said:

Very good point. If this is "best practices", then wouldn't all schools adopt these? This, I would think, would play into a legal expert's argument. If the Big 10 has strict protocols that ALL are following, how is it that Maryland and OhioSt had these cases? Bowling Green does not have the ability to follow the protocols? Bowling Green's medical staff is less competent than OhioSt's?  

 

They argue that the protocols will be followed but what of the travel? This league goes all the way from Lincoln to NJ. And they can insure that no one on the travel roster will contract the virus?

 

The protocols aren't intended to be foolproof means of preventing all cases. They're about aiming to minimize them, and about how cases should be handled when they're found. It ain't about competency at the smaller schools, it's mostly about money. Ohio State has an athletic department budget of over $109 million, while Bowling Green's is about $18 million in a good year. And right now BGSU is trying to cover an estimated $2 million shortfall, including cutting their baseball program in May - and that was before the major conference schools started cancelling games. Testing all of their student athletes on a weekly basis and implementing a detailed protocol just ain't in the budget for schools like that.

 

Journal-Star article from late May that describes some parts of Nebraska's protocols:

 

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Athletes will be required to meet multiple benchmarks before they can even begin working out:

 

* Athletes coming from outside of Lincoln will quarantine for a minimum of 48 hours upon returning to the city, either in off-campus housing if living by themselves, or in a designated on-campus dorm.

 

* After the initial quarantine, each athlete will take a required COVID-19 test and must return a confirmed negative result before being allowed access to any of NU's facilities.

 

* If an athlete tests positive, that athlete must remain at his or her residence, and then must test negative twice before completing the self-isolation period. One football player has previously tested positive for COVID-19 and gone through the protocol, a NU official confirmed.

 

Other steps in the program that had been previously revealed were confirmed with Friday's news:

 

* Athletes will have daily symptom checks and have their temperature taken before entering any NU facility, and once cleared, will wear a wristband to show they have been medically cleared.

 

* No locker room access will be allowed. Athletes will only be cleared to access areas of NU's facilities related to participating in voluntary workouts.

 

OWH article on Martinez and others getting back to campus:

 

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Adrian Martinez was supposed to fly back to Nebraska out of Los Angeles International Airport. But the medical experts being used by Nebraska’s football program suggested an airport with less traffic. So Martinez flew out from a different spot.

 

Martinez flew in and was directed to move quickly through the airport — no bathroom break, touching nothing — to a waiting car that had already been equipped with a divider. From there, he was driven to his home, where Martinez waited until April 3, when Nebraska first administered COVID-19 tests to a core group. Other athletes flying in from out of state were taken to a suite-style dorm on campus and given a room number with a key taped to the door.

 

Since then, NU has tested more than 250 student-athletes and staff several times. Eight have tested positive, two of whom are in other sports.

 

Of the six connected to the football program, three — two players and a coach — tested positive upon their arrival. Just three players, over nearly three months, tested positive based on community spread after their arrival.

 

None of the football players, Frost said, have had symptoms beyond a sore throat, a one-day fever spike or a two-day loss of taste and smell. One player who tested positive, Frost said, was asymptomatic.

 

“If you try to peel back the onion of thinking that testing is going to keep everyone from getting this, you’re lying to yourself,” Frost said.

 

Based on UNMC expertise, Frost said, the incubation period for the virus is 72 hours before a person would test positive, and it takes 24 hours to get back test results. So if Nebraska tested its players on Wednesday of a game week, the school would know who might have contracted the virus the weekend prior.

 

“But if they got it on a Monday or Tuesday, it’s not going to come up positive,” Frost said. “They’re still going to class Thursday, they’re going to class Friday morning, and if you have an away game, they’re going to be around bus drivers, flight attendants, hotel people preparing food. To think that testing is going to keep our kids safe is probably a very flawed way of looking at it. We’ve gotten to the point — not our decision, but advice from experts — that the ones we need to be worried about in regards to the age group of people we’re working with, young, healthy kids, is that we need to focus on kids who are symptomatic.”

Sore throats. Fever spikes. Shortness of breath. Identify and isolate those players, Frost said. And Nebraska said it will be “very attentive” toward players with risk factors like sickle-cell trait or asthma.

 

“If we don’t get there, where we’re able to just play football and take care of kids who are symptomatic — pull them, isolate them, isolate people in direct contact with them and let everybody else go — I think football’s unlikely.”

 

The Big Ten schools are sharing protocols they've developed, and discussing pitfalls. Again, much of this is about keeping things uniform.

 

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Still, [Big Ten Commissioner] Warren cautioned that just because the conference announced a plan, that doesn’t mean it will happen.

 

"This is not a fait accompli that we're going to have sports in the fall. We may not have sports in the fall, we may not have a college football season in the Big Ten,” Warren said. “This allows us to be able to just take another step in this entire process.”

 

Warren said much of the decision to eliminate nonconference play comes form a desire to have uniform protocols for all sporting events. For example, Nebraska and South Dakota State had two drastically different testing methods but were scheduled to play Sept. 19.

 

Now, all Husker opponents will be under the same Big Ten umbrella of protocols.

“When you start working outside your conference," Warren said, "you put yourself in a position where there are enough issues that we're dealing with already, but then you add on top of it the issues of travel and just the logistics associated with it. And so we felt that, at the end of the day, this decision would allows us to one, do the right thing by our student-athletes, keep them at the forefront of all of our decisions, and make sure we create an environment to give us the best chance to play."

 

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TOE:

 

Where is the NCAA in this whole mess? You would have thought that they would have established universal testing protocols for ALL teams. But it appears that they have not because it looks like it was "every man for himself" and "you take care of it."

 

Any thoughts on this? 

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10 hours ago, kansas45 said:

TOE:

 

Where is the NCAA in this whole mess? You would have thought that they would have established universal testing protocols for ALL teams. But it appears that they have not because it looks like it was "every man for himself" and "you take care of it."

 

Any thoughts on this? 

Just an opinion, but the "bigger/deeper" pockets a school has, the better their response would be.  Reading how NU got Martinez back/the dorm rooms with keys etc is probably not the average response from schools...

 

Hoping some form of football returns....At this point I'd take division games only every other week......At least of the other conferences did this, might be able to watch a few games a weekend....

 

I just watch the protests, rallies, big box stores etc open and just hope that football in some fashion (with a lot more control) can be a go....

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12 hours ago, teachercd said:

The Ivy's had it easy...They don't make money off sports and frankly...the Harvard vs Yale game is the only one that gets talked about.  

And the students get to pay full tuition for online school in the fall.:leghump:

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Five reasons why conference-only schedules make sense, per 247: easier implementation of universal testing protocols, flexible scheduling, control over the playoff, negotiating power with TV deals, and protecting conference championships.

 

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Why-conference-only-schedules-will-save-college-football-amid-COVID-19-pandemic-in-2020-149058765/#149058765_1

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20 hours ago, Toe said:

 

The protocols aren't intended to be foolproof means of preventing all cases. They're about aiming to minimize them, and about how cases should be handled when they're found. It ain't about competency at the smaller schools, it's mostly about money. Ohio State has an athletic department budget of over $109 million, while Bowling Green's is about $18 million in a good year. And right now BGSU is trying to cover an estimated $2 million shortfall, including cutting their baseball program in May - and that was before the major conference schools started cancelling games. Testing all of their student athletes on a weekly basis and implementing a detailed protocol just ain't in the budget for schools like that.

 

Journal-Star article from late May that describes some parts of Nebraska's protocols:

 

 

OWH article on Martinez and others getting back to campus:

 

 

The Big Ten schools are sharing protocols they've developed, and discussing pitfalls. Again, much of this is about keeping things uniform.

 

 

 

 

My neighborhood is a tidal pool of 20-somethings.  It's breaking news if one of them is seen wearing a mask while not at work.  Being in a regimented program like football lowers the chances of catching corona immensely.  If a player catches it, he likely got it from non-football activities. 

 

And it's not that big of deal.  If someone that age tests positive, over 99% of the time he is quarantined for less than two weeks and he recovers without ever having felt sick.

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@UniversalMartin Still under discussion, I believe. Note that Moos wants a 12-game conference-only schedule, which would probably mean starting on the normal date. Another thought is that they might reserve some dates at the end of the season for make-up games, if any teams have to cancel during the season.

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7 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

And it's not that big of deal.  If someone that age tests positive, over 99% of the time he is quarantined for less than two weeks and he recovers without ever having felt sick.

 

I believe such will become a "big deal" if it is a starter and that 14 day isolation could mean the difference in missing in upwards of 2 games. And it becomes a bigger deal if the contact tracing indicates that more of the team was exposed to the virus thus necessitating the need to isolate those the student-athlete came into contact with. 

 

It will become a bigger deal not because of the high chances of recovery but the one athlete that does become in need of hospitalization. It is that 1% chance that I believe is worrying a number of people. And what about the effect of the 14 day isolation on conditioning, nutrition, practice preparation, etc?

 

If it is not a big deal, why did schools put a halt to all voluntary workouts? 

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1 hour ago, kansas45 said:

 

I believe such will become a "big deal" if it is a starter and that 14 day isolation could mean the difference in missing in upwards of 2 games. And it becomes a bigger deal if the contact tracing indicates that more of the team was exposed to the virus thus necessitating the need to isolate those the student-athlete came into contact with. 

 

It will become a bigger deal not because of the high chances of recovery but the one athlete that does become in need of hospitalization. It is that 1% chance that I believe is worrying a number of people. And what about the effect of the 14 day isolation on conditioning, nutrition, practice preparation, etc?

 

If it is not a big deal, why did schools put a halt to all voluntary workouts? 

it sounds like a big deal to the reputation of the school in the athletic program. Players miss weeks all the time.  If the only priority is the health and safety of the students then football should be illegal on campus.

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On 7/11/2020 at 6:55 AM, twofittyonred said:

Without a vaccine you CAN NOT have "herd immunity"...   Your statement only shows that you dont understand the concept or process..#science     https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html     https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

Uh yeah....that was kind of the point - if one doesnt exist neither does the other.  Your post only shows that you dont understand....reading

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