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Some contend the biggest reason why Dems have lost support is that they aren't good at articulating what they stand for, compromise too quickly and easily, and trot out uncharismatic candidates precisely because they seem moderate. All Joe Biden was asked to do is not be Trump. The low bar gets a bit tiresome. 

 

It's not that the party leans too progressive. The problem is that Democrats handed the mantle of populism over to the Republicans. 

 

Biden, Hillary & Bill and Obama are the very definition of centrists, and could have run as Republicans for much of the 20th Century. 

 

Right now, everyone with a D is considered a Socialist by Republican fund raisers.. Republicans continue to win the messaging war. It's up to the American majority to find a candidate that fights for their values. 

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5 hours ago, RedDenver said:

Good catch, but Maher is wrong about Dem support for both bills. Here's an article about the polling for both: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/25/most-back-bidens-infrastructure-bill-and-budget-plan-poll/5577143001/

 

He very well could be wrong. I think his point is that the progressives are out of the Dem mainstream and Manchin/Sinema MIGHT be in it. Plus I would worry more about the independents who really put Biden over the top. Maher was frustrated that the progressives held the infrastructure bill hostage for the other bill. Take what you can get when you get it. I am not sure I trust polls anymore, but that is another topic. I think Biden needs a win. Infrastructure could have been it. 

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2 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

I have no problem with the sexual orientation issue, but why change Superman? Why not invent a new bi-sexual superhero...? Seems lazy.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I just don't see the need for this - or to make Hulk a woman, or to change any other gender/race/orientation of a character.

 

Just create a new character with the attributes you want.

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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I just don't see the need for this - or to make Hulk a woman, or to change any other gender/race/orientation of a character.

 

Just create a new character with the attributes you want.

 

Exactly. 

 

@teachercdyou need to copywrite that...quick! Royalties baby 

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4 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I just don't see the need for this - or to make Hulk a woman, or to change any other gender/race/orientation of a character.

 

Just create a new character with the attributes you want.

 

 

 

I'm completely ambivalent towards it in general, but only want to point out that writers have been changing the race/ethnicity/gender/etc. of comic book characters for decades now.

 

Just before someone tries to use this as ammo of out of control woke-ism, it's nothing new.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

 

I'm completely ambivalent towards it in general, but only want to point out that writers have been changing the race/ethnicity/gender/etc. of comic book characters for decades now.

 

Just before someone tries to use this as ammo of out of control woke-ism, it's nothing new.

 

I'm a very open person to anyway someone wants to live their lives pertaining to their sexual orientation.  

What makes me roll my eyes at this is that sexual orientation of comic book characters just really isn't a thing.  You never see Bat Man making out with Wonder Woman.  

 

Does anyone really know what sexual orientation Robin or Aquaman is?

 

Why make it a thing now?  

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10 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I'm a very open person to anyway someone wants to live their lives pertaining to their sexual orientation.  

What makes me roll my eyes at this is that sexual orientation of comic book characters just really isn't a thing.  You never see Bat Man making out with Wonder Woman.  

 

Does anyone really know what sexual orientation Robin or Aquaman is?

 

Why make it a thing now?  

 

Not only do I not know their orientation, it doesn't matter. They're there to fight crime and save the day. Who cares what they do in their spare time?

 

It'd be like if we suddenly found out that Superman was a philatelist. It's like... OKaaaaaaaayyyy....? Why do we need to know that?

 

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3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

What makes me roll my eyes at this is that sexual orientation of comic book characters just really isn't a thing.  You never see Bat Man making out with Wonder Woman.  

 

Does anyone really know what sexual orientation Robin or Aquaman is?

 

Why make it a thing now?  

 

 

 

Sorry, this just isn't true at all. 

 

Sexual orientation of comic book characters has always been a thing, even if you didn't notice it because they were straight. Superman and Lois Lane? Spider-Man and Mary Jane/Gwen Stacy? Batman and Iron Man as the philanthropic billionaires who live billionaire lifestyles? Harley Quinn and the Joker?

 

Batwoman was outed as being in a lesbian relationship with a Gotham detective in 2006. The Green Lantern was an openly gay business man in 2012. The X-Men member Northstar was revealed as gay in 1992. Kitty Pryde has been rumored to be bi or lesbian since the 80's, and now confirmed. Those are just a few examples, the history has been there for a long time.

 

As far as, "why make it a thing now?", comic books have always been a medium that is equal parts a reflection of culture and also a commentary on culture at the time. 

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12 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

 

Sorry, this just isn't true at all. 

 

Sexual orientation of comic book characters has always been a thing, even if you didn't notice it because they were straight. Superman and Lois Lane? Spider-Man and Mary Jane/Gwen Stacy? Batman and Iron Man as the philanthropic billionaires who live billionaire lifestyles? Harley Quinn and the Joker?

 

Batwoman was outed as being in a lesbian relationship with a Gotham detective in 2006. The Green Lantern was an openly gay business man in 2012. The X-Men member Northstar was revealed as gay in 1992. Kitty Pryde has been rumored to be bi or lesbian since the 80's, and now confirmed. Those are just a few examples, the history has been there for a long time.

 

As far as, "why make it a thing now?", comic books have always been a medium that is equal parts a reflection of culture and also a commentary on culture at the time. 

 

Wow! I had no idea about the LGBTQ involvement in comics...but then, I've only seen the cinematic versions since I started high school, which unfortunately predates all your references by some time. Thanks for the information. 

 

Superman, the subject of the original tweet, has never been bi-sexual however, and I still think the writer should have come up with his/her/they/them own version rather than make a longstanding straight character bi. 

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14 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

 

Wow! I had no idea about the LGBTQ involvement in comics...but then, I've only seen the cinematic versions since I started high school, which unfortunately predates all your references by some time. Thanks for the information. 

 

Superman, the subject of the original tweet, has never been bi-sexual however, and I still think the writer should have come up with his/her/they/them own version rather than make a longstanding straight character bi. 

I can see what you're saying, but at the same time it doesn't really matter. We're talking about fictional characters. I could see being upset or annoyed at someone going back and rewriting the original comics, but someone is making new Superman stories, so what does it matter which parts are changed? The only thing that should matter is whether the stories are good.

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43 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

Superman, the subject of the original tweet, has never been bi-sexual however, and I still think the writer should have come up with his/her/they/them own version rather than make a longstanding straight character bi. 

 

 

No problem with anyone's preference towards an already existing IP character staying the same or not, so don't read this as an attack at you at all.

 

I don't care either way, but fictional characters have "never been" anything until they are. One of the really cool things about comic book stories as a medium, imo, is the license to reimagine and reinterpret characters endlessly. Batman was never a killer until he was. Captain America was never black or a Nazi until he was. Thor was never a woman until he/she was, so on and so forth. Some comic book characters are better suited for reimagining (Batman is a great one who is ripe for new interpretations), but at the end of the day I think any new realization of a character is good if it makes a good story. 

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