Biden's America

[knapplc]

2 hours ago, Stumpy1 said:

The Keystone XL would have definitely helped relieve issues.  

 

Wrong. That oil was never for American use. It was always going to be exported.

 

That's why the pipeline was supposed to go to the Gulf, not northern refineries. If they were going to produce gas for American cars, they wouldn't have routed that pipeline past so many US refineries.

 

[Stumpy1]

4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Wrong. That oil was never for American use. It was always going to be exported.

 

That's why the pipeline was supposed to go to the Gulf, not northern refineries. If they were going to produce gas for American cars, they wouldn't have routed that pipeline past so many US refineries.

 

Nope. 
 

Our northern refineries already get crude from Canada. 

[BigRedBuster]

2 hours ago, Stumpy1 said:

The Keystone XL would have definitely helped relieve issues.  

NO.....

 

 

[Stumpy1]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

NO.....

 

 

Yes

[knapplc]

Super quick on the Keystone XL pipeline for those who can't be bothered to read up on it and just repeat Republican talking points:
 

• When the project was delayed under President Obama, other delivery methods increased capacity or came online. 
• The project was 10% completed when President Biden shut it down, meaning it wouldn't be up and running today, and would not help with today's pump prices.
• Even if all of the Keystone XL oil was refined for use in the United States, and was online today, the price at the pump would not be significantly affected.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BigRedBuster]

16 minutes ago, Stumpy1 said:

Yes

Might want to read up on it.

 

Pay attention to @knapplc posts above.  

[Stumpy1]

Well,  I will believe people that would deal with it firsthand, such as myself, over what people read on twitter or some news articles.  

[knapplc]

Just now, Stumpy1 said:

Well,  I will believe people that would deal with it firsthand, such as myself, over what people read on twitter or some news articles.  

 

And the rest of us are going to take the word of fact-checked experts and reporters with editors who can think critically over the anecdotal word of some random message board poster.

[Born N Bled Red]

10 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Super quick on the Keystone XL pipeline for those who can't be bothered to read up on it and just repeat Republican talking points:
 

• When the project was delayed under President Obama, other delivery methods increased capacity or came online. 
• The project was 10% completed when President Biden shut it down, meaning it wouldn't be up and running today, and would not help with today's pump prices.
• Even if all of the Keystone XL oil was refined for use in the United States, and was online today, the price at the pump would not be significantly affected.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

You're wrong on one piece here. The Supreme Court (with the stolen Republican seats) shut down the Keystone Pipeline. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics/keystone-xl-supreme-court-pipeline/index.html

 

The Supreme Court ruling here, meant that the TC Energy could NOT get the permits they needed in order to move forward with the project. Note: This was under Trump, not Biden. 

 

Biden pulled the "presidential permit," because it could no longer be used without the accompanying and necessary environmental permits. 

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, Stumpy1 said:

Well,  I will believe people that would deal with it firsthand, such as myself, over what people read on twitter or some news articles.  

OK, how much more oil would be being transported today if Biden hadn't stopped the pipeline?

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

You're wrong on one piece here. The Supreme Court (with the stolen Republican seats) shut down the Keystone Pipeline. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics/keystone-xl-supreme-court-pipeline/index.html

 

The Supreme Court ruling here, meant that the TC Energy could NOT get the permits they needed in order to move forward with the project. Note: This was under Trump, not Biden. 

 

Biden pulled the "presidential permit," because it could no longer be used without the accompanying and necessary environmental permits. 

 

Good clarification. Thank you. 

[NebraskaHarry]

4 minutes ago, Stumpy1 said:

Well,  I will believe people that would deal with it firsthand, such as myself, over what people read on twitter or some news articles.  

Tell us everything you know. Don't hold out on us now.

[Stumpy1]

28 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

OK, how much more oil would be being transported today if Biden hadn't stopped the pipeline?

It was stopped way before Biden and you know that.  Biden just killed it completely which could/will hurt us in the future.

 

If the pipeline was allowed to be built starting in 2010 or so,  it would be completed today and would transport roughly 900,000 barrels a day.  People need to realize that there is already a Keystone pipeline that runs from Canada down to Steele City, NE were it splits and goes all the way to the Gulf and to refineries in Illinois.  The XL would have tied into the existing pipeline in Steele City to add increased volume for the refineries in Illinois and the Gulf.  Another thing people need to know is that our own oil companies along with many others from different countries buy the oil from Canada before it is pumped. Once the oil is refined,  other companies buy the refined products and have it transported via pipelines, ships, trucks or railways.   
 

I said it in another post and I will say it here.  The refineries in the US are geared to refine heavy crude.  The oil that we produce is a light to medium crude.  We need the heavy crude from Canada and other countries to blend with US oil to make our refineries run properly.  

[knapplc]

13 minutes ago, Stumpy1 said:

The refineries in the US are geared to refine heavy crude.

 

This is not true. Our refineries are capable of refining a variety of crude oils. 

 

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=41033

 

Quote

 

In contrast to the light crude oil that is increasingly produced in the United States, imported crude oil tends to be heavier. In 2018, 7.5 million b/d (97%) of imported crude oil had an API gravity of 40 or lower, compared with 4.7 million b/d (45%) of domestic production.

Although the United States has been producing record levels of domestic crude oil, it continues to import crude oil because of variations in crude oil quality. API gravity, along with sulfur content, determines the type of processing needed to refine crude oil into fuel and other petroleum products, all of which factor into refineries’ profits. Overall U.S. refining capacity is geared toward a diverse range of crude oil inputs, so it can be uneconomic to run some refineries solely on light or heavy crude oil.

 

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Well, anyone who constantly claims "gas prices are high and it's all Biden's fault" are proving that statement true.

Or votes for a guy who says he's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, climate change is a hoax by China, wind turbines cause cancer, etc.

 

If @Archy1221 wants to prove voters don't gravitate to that messaging he can vote differently. But he thinks climate change isn't caused by people, blames Biden for inflation despite is being a global problem, blames Biden for gas prices despite it being a global problem, among many, many others.